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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 27 2014 01:39 GMT
#681
On May 27 2014 10:37 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 10:35 johnybravo22 wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:26 xes wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:19 johnybravo22 wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:15 xes wrote:
BEST RENGAR NA is only 60% with him this season compared to 70% last season (infinite splitpush king rengar), and recent matches is 1-4

Seems like a case where powerlevel as a whole is down but it makes people feel more butthurt when they lose to it so they want to whine

huh ? http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/38057509#matches
besides with that small sample size +/-10% could easily be just variance
ps. just checked ryans winrate on that account in s3 was 60% so in fact its higher now

My bad I didn't check both accounts. Still, the dude is BEST RENGAR NA with literally thousands of games played at D1+ on Rengar.

Looks like most everyone else blows cock on Rengar:
http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Rengar
http://www.lolking.net/champions/rengar&region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=diamond#statistics

BUT HE'S SO OP'D AND BROKEN. HE JUST DELETES PEOPLE. WAI RIOT NO NERF?

u still dont get it dont you? people dont want him nerfed only CHANGED so he doesnt do bullshit he currently does, it was promised with his rework but they obviously failed

Yet the word I keep seeing being mentioned is "OP'd"


Only because you ignore the other posts...
Freeeeeeedom
johnybravo22
Profile Joined May 2014
38 Posts
May 27 2014 01:40 GMT
#682
On May 27 2014 10:37 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 10:35 johnybravo22 wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:26 xes wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:19 johnybravo22 wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:15 xes wrote:
BEST RENGAR NA is only 60% with him this season compared to 70% last season (infinite splitpush king rengar), and recent matches is 1-4

Seems like a case where powerlevel as a whole is down but it makes people feel more butthurt when they lose to it so they want to whine

huh ? http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/38057509#matches
besides with that small sample size +/-10% could easily be just variance
ps. just checked ryans winrate on that account in s3 was 60% so in fact its higher now

My bad I didn't check both accounts. Still, the dude is BEST RENGAR NA with literally thousands of games played at D1+ on Rengar.

Looks like most everyone else blows cock on Rengar:
http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Rengar
http://www.lolking.net/champions/rengar&region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=diamond#statistics

BUT HE'S SO OP'D AND BROKEN. HE JUST DELETES PEOPLE. WAI RIOT NO NERF?

u still dont get it dont you? people dont want him nerfed only CHANGED so he doesnt do bullshit he currently does, it was promised with his rework but they obviously failed

Yet the word I keep seeing being mentioned is "OP'd"

you are the one saying it LOL, i never said he was op
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 27 2014 01:44 GMT
#683
Rengar is permaban status at diamond right now
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-27 02:08:52
May 27 2014 02:05 GMT
#684
Rengar is what Zed wishes he could be

A champ who can still pop a squishy no matter how far behind he is, and then still do it when building full tank.

Honestly the problem isn't Rengar, it's the way stealth works now. With the extreme limitation on true vision, it's basically impossible to stop him from ripping someone's face off after he ults. Like, you throw down some wards, force the enemy team to use trinkets and then BLAM

Stealth is just an incredibly binary mechanic, either you have enough vision to make it useless, or not enough that it's insanely strong. Then you need to severely gimp a champ in another way by limiting mobility, damage or tankiness, and Rengar just isn't there.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 27 2014 02:06 GMT
#685
On May 27 2014 10:39 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 10:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:35 johnybravo22 wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:26 xes wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:19 johnybravo22 wrote:
On May 27 2014 10:15 xes wrote:
BEST RENGAR NA is only 60% with him this season compared to 70% last season (infinite splitpush king rengar), and recent matches is 1-4

Seems like a case where powerlevel as a whole is down but it makes people feel more butthurt when they lose to it so they want to whine

huh ? http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/38057509#matches
besides with that small sample size +/-10% could easily be just variance
ps. just checked ryans winrate on that account in s3 was 60% so in fact its higher now

My bad I didn't check both accounts. Still, the dude is BEST RENGAR NA with literally thousands of games played at D1+ on Rengar.

Looks like most everyone else blows cock on Rengar:
http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Rengar
http://www.lolking.net/champions/rengar&region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=diamond#statistics

BUT HE'S SO OP'D AND BROKEN. HE JUST DELETES PEOPLE. WAI RIOT NO NERF?

u still dont get it dont you? people dont want him nerfed only CHANGED so he doesnt do bullshit he currently does, it was promised with his rework but they obviously failed

Yet the word I keep seeing being mentioned is "OP'd"


Only because you ignore the other posts...

Wei2antiwhiningwhiningman
Bronze player stuck in platinum
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
May 27 2014 02:10 GMT
#686
I feel LB is one of the assassin champs Riot got right tbh. There's a fair amount of counterplay and really fun to watch.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-27 02:16:47
May 27 2014 02:15 GMT
#687
Rengar is the equivalent of a stealth nuclear submarine

Goes underwater, no one can see him and then next thing you know there's a nuke on its way to a major city.

Actually, I just wish they would put the vision items from ARAM in. Problem solved instantly.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
May 27 2014 02:17 GMT
#688
wow this rengar stupid hero, got pwned at top still can 1 shot me with 2 levels below me wtf
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 27 2014 02:19 GMT
#689
On May 27 2014 11:10 KissBlade wrote:
I feel LB is one of the assassin champs Riot got right tbh. There's a fair amount of counterplay and really fun to watch.

impossible to gank, easy safe wave clear, can still instakill a squishy

sounds right
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 27 2014 02:21 GMT
#690
did someone say fotm safe waveclear ungankable asassin farming teamfighter mid
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 27 2014 02:32 GMT
#691
LB isn't that bad

She has to use her escape as waveclear, and if you can make her burn it for that or for some other reason you can gank her. She also got nerfed pretty hard, no more bursting a 4 item Mundo for 80% of his health.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
May 27 2014 02:45 GMT
#692
On May 27 2014 11:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
Rengar is what Zed wishes he could be

A champ who can still pop a squishy no matter how far behind he is, and then still do it when building full tank.

Honestly the problem isn't Rengar, it's the way stealth works now. With the extreme limitation on true vision, it's basically impossible to stop him from ripping someone's face off after he ults. Like, you throw down some wards, force the enemy team to use trinkets and then BLAM

Stealth is just an incredibly binary mechanic, either you have enough vision to make it useless, or not enough that it's insanely strong. Then you need to severely gimp a champ in another way by limiting mobility, damage or tankiness, and Rengar just isn't there.

Its more that burst is supposed to be binary. either you get far enough ahead to use it to stay ahead of the curve or you fall behind and have to rely on very careful engagements. the stealth just seemingly exacerbates the feeling of the burst with rengar. that and defensive items are very rare on ADCs and too often teams leave their ADC undefended and allow the snowball because proper knowledge of what to do vs a stealth burst character isn't really there yet in league solo queue.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 27 2014 03:08 GMT
#693
On May 27 2014 11:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
LB isn't that bad

She has to use her escape as waveclear, and if you can make her burn it for that or for some other reason you can gank her. She also got nerfed pretty hard, no more bursting a 4 item Mundo for 80% of his health.


well, then she can just R to escape again


i honestly don't think rengar is op, but since the day of his release i have hated him more than any champion in this game
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
May 27 2014 03:14 GMT
#694
Still hate Shaco the most. He may not be OP or even that good, but that guy actually makes me frustrated while playing.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
johnybravo22
Profile Joined May 2014
38 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-27 03:22:06
May 27 2014 03:18 GMT
#695
^ surprise, surprise stealth is broken, every champion with invisibility is a huge problem to balance and nuisance to play against, sad part is i believe latest vision changes which were supposed to fix things made it even worse
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
May 27 2014 03:22 GMT
#696
I think the biggest oversight with vision changes is that the lvl 9 red trinket doesn't revealed stealth champs, you have to get the upgraded version or carry a pink around with you at all times for any team fight with a stealth champ on the enemy team.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 27 2014 03:27 GMT
#697
On May 27 2014 12:22 Kinie wrote:
I think the biggest oversight with vision changes is that the lvl 9 red trinket doesn't revealed stealth champs, you have to get the upgraded version or carry a pink around with you at all times for any team fight with a stealth champ on the enemy team.


also, on the rengar note, his trinket doesn't grant him vision of invisible units until 20 stacks which is annoying the few times i've played him where i've used my ult to jump on a twitch or something and havent had enough dps to kill him before he goes invis
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 27 2014 03:33 GMT
#698
On May 27 2014 12:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i honestly don't think rengar is op, but since the day of his release i have hated him more than any champion in this game



Feels like this is seeping in for others too. It's the Yorick syndrome, if everyone hates on a champion enough who has "no counterplay" they get nerfed into OBLIVION - Jarraxus

Stealth is currently strong in this meta because of the lack of vision items (which I'm positively sure will be added at some time, who knows when) it's true, but Rengar doesn't do enough to completely unbalance the game, which wei has done a terrible job in convincing people. There's not enough of a positive correlation between Rengars picked and his team having a significantly higher winrate, as evidenced by his winrate at higher tiers of play. Lower tiers I'm sorry but the game can't be balanced at all levels, he truly is OP when facing people who are casually playing and unfamiliar with his possibilities.

Because he COULD use some damage taken away from him, he probably should, but the League of Kneejerk Reactions will then suddenly declare him unfit for the meta and then we wait until an EU team comes out with some new fotm top laner who does something amusing and we forget this ever happened.

Life and death is a cycle, and yours is over. Nasus was onto something there. Most insightful dog NA.
Hey! How you doin'?
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
May 27 2014 03:40 GMT
#699
On May 27 2014 12:33 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 12:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i honestly don't think rengar is op, but since the day of his release i have hated him more than any champion in this game


+ Show Spoiler +

Feels like this is seeping in for others too. It's the Yorick syndrome, if everyone hates on a champion enough who has "no counterplay" they get nerfed into OBLIVION - Jarraxus

Stealth is currently strong in this meta because of the lack of vision items (which I'm positively sure will be added at some time, who knows when) it's true, but Rengar doesn't do enough to completely unbalance the game, which wei has done a terrible job in convincing people. There's not enough of a positive correlation between Rengars picked and his team having a significantly higher winrate, as evidenced by his winrate at higher tiers of play. Lower tiers I'm sorry but the game can't be balanced at all levels, he truly is OP when facing people who are casually playing and unfamiliar with his possibilities.

Because he COULD use some damage taken away from him, he probably should, but the League of Kneejerk Reactions will then suddenly declare him unfit for the meta and then we wait until an EU team comes out with some new fotm top laner who does something amusing and we forget this ever happened.


Life and death is a cycle, and yours is over. Nasus was onto something there. Most insightful dog NA.

Omg is that a Nasus compliment. Call the press I got a front page.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
benefluence
Profile Joined January 2010
United States158 Posts
May 27 2014 03:59 GMT
#700
Doesn't the game warn you if Rengar is stealthed nearby and would otherwise be visible? I'm remember them talking about it during the rework discussion.
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