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On May 27 2014 09:51 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 09:46 Alaric wrote:
No, Draven and Syndra are slower due to animations, it's possible to use Heal, Lulu's ult, shields, etc. in the meantime.
If Rengar clicks his resets and Hydra fast enough he'll straight-up kill you under a second. Draven can time his ult with his attack animation to hit at the same time. Syndra is true enough I suppose. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 09:51 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i'm not sure why wei2coolman is such an adamant rengar balance defender
are you a rengar main trying to hide the op?
it's ok to admit it, we're all family here If I was Rengar main, I would prefer they never reworked him to begin with, but his current iteration is fine. There's one fucking specialist with him, and it's got everyone's panties in the bunch. That's how fucking specialists work. They just play that one champion to a ridiculous degree. It's like people don't seem to understand, that's the fucking risk of playing a squishy. "I want to build big damage without getting blown the fuck up." Well guess fucking what? You fucking can't. (unless you're kayle) The issue with Rengar is less so his kit, and more so with how terrible ADC's are in general (since like end of S2).
wat
s2 adcs would get one shot just as fast as they do now
rofl
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On May 27 2014 09:54 johnybravo22 wrote:
lol neither of those champions comes even close to what rengars does, u can react to any of them while rengar just appears on u and u die
I think the only thing about rengar I really dislike is how wards are useless against him. The invis plus move speed from his ult in combination with the one pink limit is just oppressive. Its like if eve could hard disable and instantly 100-0, just silly. Take away the invis on his ult and he will be much closer to balanced.
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On May 27 2014 09:58 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 09:51 wei2coolman wrote:On May 27 2014 09:46 Alaric wrote:
No, Draven and Syndra are slower due to animations, it's possible to use Heal, Lulu's ult, shields, etc. in the meantime.
If Rengar clicks his resets and Hydra fast enough he'll straight-up kill you under a second. Draven can time his ult with his attack animation to hit at the same time. Syndra is true enough I suppose. On May 27 2014 09:51 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i'm not sure why wei2coolman is such an adamant rengar balance defender
are you a rengar main trying to hide the op?
it's ok to admit it, we're all family here If I was Rengar main, I would prefer they never reworked him to begin with, but his current iteration is fine. There's one fucking specialist with him, and it's got everyone's panties in the bunch. That's how fucking specialists work. They just play that one champion to a ridiculous degree. It's like people don't seem to understand, that's the fucking risk of playing a squishy. "I want to build big damage without getting blown the fuck up." Well guess fucking what? You fucking can't. (unless you're kayle) The issue with Rengar is less so his kit, and more so with how terrible ADC's are in general (since like end of S2). wat s2 adcs would get one shot just as fast as they do now rofl
The risk reward ratio was much better due to how much damage output they had. They hit stronger (albeit later)2 item timings, so they could afford 3rd defensive item timing. Without always resorting to 4th item defensive timing.
this point aside, adc's are purely picked because you're putting yourself in a tactical disadvantage without a ranged tower taker, so people pick ADC's because they feel like they're obligated to due to lack of tower taking. Before ADC's were picked cuz dem damages, so now you're forced to play a crappy role and get pooped on by stuff, without being able to do the same. The role wouldn't feel so shitty if they had the same overall damage/powerlevel of other roles.
On May 27 2014 10:01 Velocirapture wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 09:54 johnybravo22 wrote:
lol neither of those champions comes even close to what rengars does, u can react to any of them while rengar just appears on u and u die I think the only thing about rengar I really dislike is how wards are useless against him. The invis plus move speed from his ult in combination with the one pink limit is just oppressive. Its like if eve could hard disable and instantly 100-0, just silly. Take away the invis on his ult and he will be much closer to balanced.
s1 eve. NEVAR FORGAT
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On May 27 2014 09:51 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 09:46 Alaric wrote:
No, Draven and Syndra are slower due to animations, it's possible to use Heal, Lulu's ult, shields, etc. in the meantime.
If Rengar clicks his resets and Hydra fast enough he'll straight-up kill you under a second. Draven can time his ult with his attack animation to hit at the same time. Syndra is true enough I suppose. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 09:51 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i'm not sure why wei2coolman is such an adamant rengar balance defender
are you a rengar main trying to hide the op?
it's ok to admit it, we're all family here If I was Rengar main, I would prefer they never reworked him to begin with, but his current iteration is fine. There's one fucking specialist with him, and it's got everyone's panties in the bunch. That's how fucking specialists work. They just play that one champion to a ridiculous degree. It's like people don't seem to understand, that's the fucking risk of playing a squishy. "I want to build big damage without getting blown the fuck up." Well guess fucking what? You fucking can't. (unless you're kayle) The issue with Rengar is less so his kit, and more so with how terrible ADC's are in general (since like end of S2).
You still seem to be ignoring that even the Pre-Rework Rengar was never balanced. I mean, I guess you like squishies dying (which also happens to be an unworkable concept for LOL, but we dont want to get into that), but that doesn't justify defending Rengar, who has a fundamentally flawed kit.
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On May 27 2014 10:02 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 09:58 arb wrote:On May 27 2014 09:51 wei2coolman wrote:On May 27 2014 09:46 Alaric wrote:
No, Draven and Syndra are slower due to animations, it's possible to use Heal, Lulu's ult, shields, etc. in the meantime.
If Rengar clicks his resets and Hydra fast enough he'll straight-up kill you under a second. Draven can time his ult with his attack animation to hit at the same time. Syndra is true enough I suppose. On May 27 2014 09:51 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i'm not sure why wei2coolman is such an adamant rengar balance defender
are you a rengar main trying to hide the op?
it's ok to admit it, we're all family here If I was Rengar main, I would prefer they never reworked him to begin with, but his current iteration is fine. There's one fucking specialist with him, and it's got everyone's panties in the bunch. That's how fucking specialists work. They just play that one champion to a ridiculous degree. It's like people don't seem to understand, that's the fucking risk of playing a squishy. "I want to build big damage without getting blown the fuck up." Well guess fucking what? You fucking can't. (unless you're kayle) The issue with Rengar is less so his kit, and more so with how terrible ADC's are in general (since like end of S2). wat s2 adcs would get one shot just as fast as they do now rofl The risk reward ratio was much better due to how much damage output they had. They hit stronger (albeit later)2 item timings, so they could afford 3rd defensive item timing. Without always resorting to 4th item defensive timing. this point aside, adc's are purely picked because you're putting yourself in a tactical disadvantage without a ranged tower taker, so people pick ADC's because they feel like they're obligated to due to lack of tower taking. Before ADC's were picked cuz dem damages, so now you're forced to play a crappy role and get pooped on by stuff, without being able to do the same. The role wouldn't feel so shitty if they had the same overall damage/powerlevel of other roles. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 10:01 Velocirapture wrote:On May 27 2014 09:54 johnybravo22 wrote:
lol neither of those champions comes even close to what rengars does, u can react to any of them while rengar just appears on u and u die I think the only thing about rengar I really dislike is how wards are useless against him. The invis plus move speed from his ult in combination with the one pink limit is just oppressive. Its like if eve could hard disable and instantly 100-0, just silly. Take away the invis on his ult and he will be much closer to balanced. s1 eve. NEVAR FORGAT
Reading your comments seems like you are the one who has his panties in a knot.Ad is perfectly fine and you can easily carry on the role.Also no ryan choi isn't the only guy who does that with rengar  .
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lol this guy, so now its adc fault because they are useless and weak ? even doublelift whos known from whining disagrees with you
[–]Balticataz 254 punkty 12 dni temu
Do you feel ADCs are being balanced around pro level mechanics? Do you think that is why people think ADCs are weak or are they actually weak?
[–]doublelift1[S] 313 punktów 11 dni temu
I've always been under the impression that Riot balances for skill levels across the board, but sometimes it does feel like they make changes specifically for pro level play (which I think is good).
ADs are in a pretty good spot right now, but if the trend of constantly nerfing the top ADs continues, they might fall behind like they did in S3. I do think that there's a massive circlejerk about ADs not being able to carry games. If you look at the top of Challenger, for example, it's almost all AD players. It didn't get that much harder to carry games, people just got better at the game.
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BEST RENGAR NA is only 60% with him this season compared to 70% last season (infinite splitpush king rengar), and recent matches is 1-4
Seems like a case where powerlevel as a whole is down but it makes people feel more butthurt when they lose to it so they want to whine
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On May 27 2014 10:10 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 10:02 wei2coolman wrote:On May 27 2014 09:58 arb wrote:On May 27 2014 09:51 wei2coolman wrote:On May 27 2014 09:46 Alaric wrote:
No, Draven and Syndra are slower due to animations, it's possible to use Heal, Lulu's ult, shields, etc. in the meantime.
If Rengar clicks his resets and Hydra fast enough he'll straight-up kill you under a second. Draven can time his ult with his attack animation to hit at the same time. Syndra is true enough I suppose. On May 27 2014 09:51 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i'm not sure why wei2coolman is such an adamant rengar balance defender
are you a rengar main trying to hide the op?
it's ok to admit it, we're all family here If I was Rengar main, I would prefer they never reworked him to begin with, but his current iteration is fine. There's one fucking specialist with him, and it's got everyone's panties in the bunch. That's how fucking specialists work. They just play that one champion to a ridiculous degree. It's like people don't seem to understand, that's the fucking risk of playing a squishy. "I want to build big damage without getting blown the fuck up." Well guess fucking what? You fucking can't. (unless you're kayle) The issue with Rengar is less so his kit, and more so with how terrible ADC's are in general (since like end of S2). wat s2 adcs would get one shot just as fast as they do now rofl The risk reward ratio was much better due to how much damage output they had. They hit stronger (albeit later)2 item timings, so they could afford 3rd defensive item timing. Without always resorting to 4th item defensive timing. this point aside, adc's are purely picked because you're putting yourself in a tactical disadvantage without a ranged tower taker, so people pick ADC's because they feel like they're obligated to due to lack of tower taking. Before ADC's were picked cuz dem damages, so now you're forced to play a crappy role and get pooped on by stuff, without being able to do the same. The role wouldn't feel so shitty if they had the same overall damage/powerlevel of other roles. On May 27 2014 10:01 Velocirapture wrote:On May 27 2014 09:54 johnybravo22 wrote:
lol neither of those champions comes even close to what rengars does, u can react to any of them while rengar just appears on u and u die I think the only thing about rengar I really dislike is how wards are useless against him. The invis plus move speed from his ult in combination with the one pink limit is just oppressive. Its like if eve could hard disable and instantly 100-0, just silly. Take away the invis on his ult and he will be much closer to balanced. s1 eve. NEVAR FORGAT Reading your comments seems like you are the one who has his panties in a knot.Ad is perfectly fine and you can easily carry on the role.Also no ryan choi isn't the only guy who does that with rengar .
Of course you can carry with ADC. You just need to be a better ADC than whoever the enemy team has, that's simple enough. I'm just saying it doesn't feel nearly as rewarding as it should. ADC's feel like shit to play, I think this pretty much reflected with the pick rates for each role that Sufficiency had, that had ADC at like 2nd least or least played at higher tier of play.
On May 27 2014 10:15 xes wrote:
BEST RENGAR NA is only 60% with him this season compared to 70% last season (infinite splitpush king rengar), and recent matches is 1-4
Seems like a case where powerlevel as a whole is down but it makes people feel more butthurt when they lose to it so they want to whine
Sounds about right.
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On May 27 2014 10:15 xes wrote:
BEST RENGAR NA is only 60% with him this season compared to 70% last season (infinite splitpush king rengar), and recent matches is 1-4
Seems like a case where powerlevel as a whole is down but it makes people feel more butthurt when they lose to it so they want to whine
huh ? http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/38057509#matches
besides with that small sample size +/-10% could easily be just variance
ps. just checked ryans winrate on that account in s3 was 60% so in fact its higher now
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I mained Rengar in season 3 when he could Q turrets toplane. He just wasn't nearly as fun after that since you couldn't take a level 5 turret without jungler help. You could just go Bork Hydra and splitpush endlessly and never have to worry about jungle thanks to based kittyult.
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On May 27 2014 10:24 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I mained Rengar in season 3 when he could Q turrets toplane. He just wasn't nearly as fun after that since you couldn't take a level 5 turret without jungler help. You could just go Bork Hydra and splitpush endlessly and never have to worry about jungle thanks to based kittyult.
He was impossible to gank before they added fade time to his ult and gave it an actual cooldown.
You couldnt even leave lane against Rengar before the Q to turret nerf, cause he could eat your t1/2 with Q + EmpQ in like 5 seconds, so ridiculous.
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there's a direct correlation between how many times you use words such as "unfun" or "counterplay" and how big of a sissy you are
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BUT HE'S SO OP'D AND BROKEN. HE JUST DELETES PEOPLE. WAI RIOT NO NERF?
I like how all the high success rate pro's builds on Rengar are none of which that have to deal with all the complaints people have of him in this GD. Fairly tanky with minimal damage.
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Oh look, a feast or famine 'assassin' is strong in League of Legends.
This is a new and interesting topic.
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On May 27 2014 10:29 wei2coolman wrote:BUT HE'S SO OP'D AND BROKEN. HE JUST DELETES PEOPLE. WAI RIOT NO NERF?
u still dont get it dont you? people dont want him nerfed only CHANGED so he doesnt do bullshit he currently does, it was promised with his rework but they obviously failed
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On May 27 2014 10:35 johnybravo22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 10:29 wei2coolman wrote:BUT HE'S SO OP'D AND BROKEN. HE JUST DELETES PEOPLE. WAI RIOT NO NERF? u still dont get it dont you? people dont want him nerfed only CHANGED so he doesnt do bullshit he currently does, it was promised with his rework but they obviously failed
Yet the word I keep seeing being mentioned is "OP'd"
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On May 27 2014 10:35 red_ wrote:
Oh look, a feast or famine 'assassin' is strong in League of Legends.
This is a new and interesting topic.
Which would be legit if he wasn't bopping fools while in a famine phase.
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On May 27 2014 10:37 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 10:35 johnybravo22 wrote:On May 27 2014 10:29 wei2coolman wrote:BUT HE'S SO OP'D AND BROKEN. HE JUST DELETES PEOPLE. WAI RIOT NO NERF? u still dont get it dont you? people dont want him nerfed only CHANGED so he doesnt do bullshit he currently does, it was promised with his rework but they obviously failed Yet the word I keep seeing being mentioned is "OP'd"
Every time I see OP'd, I mentally cringe.
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