EPT[Patch 4.7] Braum General Discussion - Page 63
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
On May 16 2014 15:18 chalice wrote: it's not your friend's fault that you're illiterate. hwat | ||
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Celial
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On May 16 2014 06:04 Slayer91 wrote: except my argument is that 1: its not really a stupid build, it might be sub optimal but i could easily boost his account past your elo playing nocturne and going madreds spirit stone every game 2: focusing on the outer level obvious things like item builds and jungle paths is exactly the type of shallow analysis that keeps most people shitty and flaming because they feel like they understand the game but don't understand why they are playing with all these terrible players. its the situationals that are most important and it comes from trial and error and analysis that leads you to make correct decisions and understanding how to snowball advantages. its the same thing as the D players on Iccup extrapolating their ranks because they watch pro games so they think they understand how starcraft works. You kept going on and on and on about "the right mindset", "understanding the REAL game" and so on. I have yet to see you ONCE explain to the apparently dumb masses how to learn the game according to you, what the right mindset is and how to get it. You keep repeating yourself over and over and holding this shit over peoples heads like its the one big truth that only you know - exactly like those scammy and shady self-improvement gurus or televangelists in late night commercials. Put up or shut up. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On May 16 2014 15:41 GolemMadness wrote: Improving your mindset isn't realistic for most people? Why not? Incidentally, people need to stop with this "Just mute everyone at the start of the game" stuff. The only time that'd ever make sense would be for fringe cases involving people who have serious issues with anger management or whatever. Ye I only get 1 in idk 40 matches where I'd feel compelled to mute my team, there may be the occasional annoying rager but for the most part the only things people say from my experience are important timers (Our buffs, TP timers, objectives etc) which is very fortunate for lazy junglers like me. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 16 2014 15:25 Celial wrote: You kept going on and on and on about "the right mindset", "understanding the REAL game" and so on. I have yet to see you ONCE explain to the apparently dumb masses how to learn the game according to you, what the right mindset is and how to get it. You keep repeating yourself over and over and holding this shit over peoples heads like its the one big truth that only you know - exactly like those scammy and shady self-improvement gurus or televangelists in late night commercials. Put up or shut up. I'm not Slayer, but imo the things people should be focusing on first and foremost are really fundamental things like (in order of importance) mechanics (ie. last hitting, kiting, etc...), map awareness, and decision making (when to back off, when to take objectives, etc...) Shit like item builds and jungle paths are stuff that helps you play better, but on a very superficial level that ultimately won't help you win the game. To give a Starcraft analogy, focusing on item builds and jungle paths would be like a D level ICCUP player focusing extremely hard on worker split, build orders, and individual unit micro when what they really should be focusing on is map awareness and general macro. Obviously, it's good to have a legit item build (or build order to follow the SC analogy), so you're not doing completely funky/bad shit, but it's not the utmost importance. Once you have your fundamentals down, you can start messing with the fancy stuff that take your game to the next level. It doesn't matter if you have the best item build and the most optimal jungle path if you never farm it up in time or are able to incorporate ganks into your jungling, for example. On top of that, having a good mindset imo is about not tilting when you or your team is doing badly. Speaking from experience, when I was trying to climb out of gold, I would find that a lot of games are straight up lost from people tilting hard after a bad first 10 minutes or so. Keeping a level head is a much bigger deal than most people realize. On a larger scale, being able to truly objectively view your impact in your games leads to faster improvement. If you always leave a game making excuses like, oh my bot lane fed or meh I got camped, you're never going to realize the shit you could've done to improve. Outside of those rare, truly unwinnable games where your mid laner never connected or you had a legit non-stop feeding troll, there's always something you did wrong that could've won you the game unless you're D1 or higher. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 16 2014 15:20 krndandaman wrote: with red buff, ez has formidable ganks. especially with his instant gap closer. he also has significant burst even in the earlier levels. his skirmishing is amazing. and we all know how important skirmishing is in this meta. he can kite in and out of fights while chasing down low health targets. if you die for their adc, it's totally fine since you're not the main damage dealer on your team as jungler. unlike twitch, ezreal is self-sufficient. I don't need peel, and I don't die instantly to a diver. he also scales very well into the lategame where he basically becomes a second blue ez adc. I think he excels in a comp with a strong toplaner and good waveclear/disengage. pretty much a poke comp lol. I had a perfect comp in my jungle ez debut so I instantly picked him (top lee, jungle ez, mid ziggs, adc lucian, sup nami). we had lee split top with TP while we sieged/defended with insane poke/waveclear/disengage if things ever got bad. The reason why I don't think jungle Ezreal and jungle Twitch should work is that any competent jungler should be there every single time the enemy red is up and contest. Ping the hell out of your mid lane so he knows in advance. I don't see how either Ez or Twitch can fight at level 2-7 against any enemy jungler that has a gap closer and/or CC. tbh, jungle Ez/Twitch can only work when they have red buff. Without out, their gank potential diminishes greatly. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On May 16 2014 16:24 NeoIllusions wrote: The reason why I don't think like jungle Ezreal and jungle Twitch should work is that any competent jungler should be there every single time the enemy red is up and contest. Ping the hell out of your mid lane so he knows in advance. I don't see how either Ez or Twitch can fight at level 2-7 against any enemy jungler that has a gap closer and/or CC. tbh, jungle Ez/Twitch can only work when they have red buff. Without out, their gank potential diminishes greatly. I feel like Twitch would still have merit ganking without red since he has a slow and stealth. Ezreal not so much | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 16 2014 16:35 arb wrote: I feel like Twitch would still have merit ganking without red since he has a slow and stealth. Ezreal not so much the problem isn't so much ganking w/ red buff as it is that a Twitch/Ez jungle should never really have a buff at all if the opposing team can coordinate against them. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 16 2014 16:35 arb wrote: I feel like Twitch would still have merit ganking without red since he has a slow and stealth. Ezreal not so much Probably but then again, Ezreal has better kiting. There are trade-offs to both. But to play against either, you have to deny them as many reds as possible. Otherwise, they get a free ticket into midgame and probably outscale your jungler in late game. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On May 16 2014 16:24 NeoIllusions wrote: The reason why I don't think like jungle Ezreal and jungle Twitch should work is that any competent jungler should be there every single time the enemy red is up and contest. Ping the hell out of your mid lane so he knows in advance. I don't see how either Ez or Twitch can fight at level 2-7 against any enemy jungler that has a gap closer and/or CC. tbh, jungle Ez/Twitch can only work when they have red buff. Without out, their gank potential diminishes greatly. I think the same could be said for Evelynn. She's a pretty mediocre skirmisher compared to Kha/Elise/Lee/Panth/etc. Ezreal is mobile enough for with Q+E to 1v1 and 2v2 most of those junglers if he just kites them. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Poor Smash, he continues to get crucified for champions he's tasked to balance/update. | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On May 16 2014 16:54 NeoIllusions wrote: So apparently Panth got a "bug fix" today in regards to Grand Skyfall, the same day Dragonslayer Panth comes out. It is essentially a nerf that was undocumented. While the QQ is amusing to read, I have to believe that Riot will allow skin buyers to refund the skin otherwise I can see this consumer backlash worsen over the weekend. Poor Smash, he continues to get crucified for champions he's tasked to balance/update. Wow... Wondering when they will nerf Braum to death  I'm expecting a passive nerf and a shield nerf.Edit : And yeah, it was a really dick move from Riot, ninja nerfing his ult so you're just unable to ult > stun immediately and most people can safely escape with no flash out of his ult/stun range now. How gay. Really. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Honestly I think Panth's in a really good spot right now. Teams have learned how to deal with him and the rise of other junglers make him not as scary as he used to be. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 16 2014 17:03 wei2coolman wrote: Sounds like miscommunication between divisions. Shit happens. rofl, good thing you're not in sales. | ||
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