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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"

In regards to theorycrafting and hyperbole, please have firsthand experience of the scenario before giving your input

Future of TL LoL, post Liquid`Dota standalone site
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
May 16 2014 01:43 GMT
#1201
Just had a weird game. Everyone in my team got disconnected for 10 minutes and then suddenly I reconnect and see '<Player> has unpaused the game.' in the chat
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 01:49:25
May 16 2014 01:44 GMT
#1202
1st case is the assumption that all you care about is completing the project, and not trying to improve your skill via doing the project, that being the second case. Tthe first case assumes that the game is a task and the objective is purely to win, and its work. The second case makes it seem more like a passion project. In the second case youd have no reason to think that the other guy is an asshole for getting tired and leaving.

Becoming a coke addict happens naturally for some people with access to coke. I don't know what your definition of natural is but if it happens without direct interference of nature I guess its natural right?

"what can you do we're all humans"
that's just an excuse. You have power over your emotions and especially the mindset that produces those emotions.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 16 2014 01:51 GMT
#1203
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35166 Posts
May 16 2014 01:54 GMT
#1204
On May 16 2014 10:37 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2014 10:28 Slayer91 wrote:
Can you explain what your point is then? One that I haven't already addressed? From my point of view I've addressed everything you said more or less directly.
What I can see: You can't judge your skill properly because of trolls/flamers so you're annoyed at them
why are you annoyed at them? that's your own problem
You want to improve to win more despite the fact that it wont lead you to winning more



"it's natural to get annoyed by trolls/flamers"

I'm annoyed by assholes, aren't you?
if a guy I'm working on a project with comes up to me and says "FUCK YOU IMA JUST CHILL AT HOME WITH MY BOYS" and leaves, of course I'll be annoyed.

isn't that normal?

Show nested quote +
On May 16 2014 10:28 Slayer91 wrote:

As for "being frustrated is natural" becoming a cock (meant to type coke but i'll take it LOL double pun) addict is also natural but it doesn't mean its a good idea. If it's slight frustration from making mistakes to drive you to eliminate them sure but you were getting frustrated at other people who you can't control which is not much better than that greek dude who ordered the sea whipped.
A lot of people get seriously angry when playing ranked and it's not going well, and it's not productive becuase the anger isn't self directed at all.


how is becoming a coke addict natural?

I don't see how the analogy works

getting angry is natural -> becoming a coke addict is natural ???

I agree getting frustrated at other people you can't control isn't optimal but what can you do, we're all humans. It's okay to get frustrated, just don't let it cloud your judgment and tilt you. Focus on what you can control and let off the steam after the game since it won't matter anyways.

Whenever people on my team start blaming others I tell them to save it for post-game lobby if they're going to blame because blaming right now does nothing.

Just give up dude. He doesn't think anybody should get angry ever.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 02:00:21
May 16 2014 01:59 GMT
#1205
On May 16 2014 10:51 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2014 10:44 Slayer91 wrote:
1st case is the assumption that all you care about is completing the project, and not trying to improve your skill via doing the project, the first case assumes that the game is a task and the objective is purely to win, and its work. The second case makes it seem more like a passion project.

Becoming a coke addict happens naturally for some people with access to coke. I don't know what your definition of natural is but if it happens without direct interference of nature I guess its natural right?

"what can you do we're all humans"
that's just an excuse. You have power over your emotions and especially the mindset that produces those emotions.


its not that simple

it could be like
20% just want to complete it
20% want to finish it while not having conflict with team/stress
20% want a good grade
20% want to improve my skills
etc.

access to coke is not natural lol.
you don't just walk around and have coke fall into your laps and with the means to actually use it. not to mention constant access to become an addict.

on the other hand, you'd be hard pressed to find a single person who hasn't been frustrated by someone else at one point in their life. that is natural and inescapable.

You have the power to overcome that frustration and deal with the matter at hand with a sound mind, but you do not have the power to completely squelch your emotions.


Thing is this project is a work thing. League is a game you play for enjoyment.
Access to League of legends is not natural. You don't just walk around and have a laptop with league installed and the account to actually use it. Not to mention the constant internet access to be a rager.
On the other hand you'd be hard pressed to find a single person who hasn't been handed some kind of substance food or otherwise by someone else at some point in their life. That is natural and inescapable.

I never said anything about squelching emotions. You simply remove the reason for the negative ones to exist. I'm playin league for fun so why should I let myself get into a mindset that reduces the amount of fun I have?

On May 16 2014 10:54 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2014 10:37 krndandaman wrote:
On May 16 2014 10:28 Slayer91 wrote:
Can you explain what your point is then? One that I haven't already addressed? From my point of view I've addressed everything you said more or less directly.
What I can see: You can't judge your skill properly because of trolls/flamers so you're annoyed at them
why are you annoyed at them? that's your own problem
You want to improve to win more despite the fact that it wont lead you to winning more



"it's natural to get annoyed by trolls/flamers"

I'm annoyed by assholes, aren't you?
if a guy I'm working on a project with comes up to me and says "FUCK YOU IMA JUST CHILL AT HOME WITH MY BOYS" and leaves, of course I'll be annoyed.

isn't that normal?

On May 16 2014 10:28 Slayer91 wrote:

As for "being frustrated is natural" becoming a cock (meant to type coke but i'll take it LOL double pun) addict is also natural but it doesn't mean its a good idea. If it's slight frustration from making mistakes to drive you to eliminate them sure but you were getting frustrated at other people who you can't control which is not much better than that greek dude who ordered the sea whipped.
A lot of people get seriously angry when playing ranked and it's not going well, and it's not productive becuase the anger isn't self directed at all.


how is becoming a coke addict natural?

I don't see how the analogy works

getting angry is natural -> becoming a coke addict is natural ???

I agree getting frustrated at other people you can't control isn't optimal but what can you do, we're all humans. It's okay to get frustrated, just don't let it cloud your judgment and tilt you. Focus on what you can control and let off the steam after the game since it won't matter anyways.

Whenever people on my team start blaming others I tell them to save it for post-game lobby if they're going to blame because blaming right now does nothing.

Just give up dude. He doesn't think anybody should get angry ever.


I never said that, but in a game people want to play I think the amount of stress it causes them is ridiculous and caused by a bad mindset. The point of gaming in your free time is partly competitive spirit and relieving stress and being social etc, and none of them are dependent on raging on your teammates.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 02:07:44
May 16 2014 02:06 GMT
#1206
Troll/Flamers are, what I call in my field, "noise." They're basically there to waste people time. Sure, my skill is where I belong, I play to improve, I play to win blah blah blah, but
- If the troll is in my team, I lose one game more than I should have
- If the troll is in the other team, I win one game more than I should have.
- etc

They add noise to your winning/losing/learning process, and make it harder to measure whatever you want to measure. People are angry at the troll/flamers because they're wasting people's time and process. If there were no troll, people save time and get more productive out of learning/winning/whatever they do.

But of course if you have free time and don't care about being productive, then you shouldn't be bothered by trolls.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 02:13:13
May 16 2014 02:10 GMT
#1207
What If there is a troll on both teams? What if there is a troll on one team but also someone who is carrying. What if there is a troll on the other team but their team is carrying him? Your binary outlook is silly. There's no reason to think that you can't improve if someone on your team or their team is playing badly because there are many aspects of the game that don't rely purely on 5v5 interaction, and your definition of productive is weird because you don't produce anything when you win a game. (unless you are really proud of yourself and have a victory fap)

also the key question
WHAT IS A TROLL
it ranges from 1 to does slightly stupid things to 100 of afk? At what point does he become a troll?

I don't know what your obsession with measuring is about anyway. Do you need to measure yourself every game? Maybe you can't give the trolls the skill they need to satisfy them because you are too busy trying to measure it first?
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 16 2014 02:12 GMT
#1208
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 16 2014 02:14 GMT
#1209
there's nothing wrong with anything. I'm not trying to control peoples lives here.
league is not natural, but getting frustrated is natural, so coke is not natural but getting addicted to something is natural?
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 02:18:03
May 16 2014 02:15 GMT
#1210
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 16 2014 02:19 GMT
#1211
you've stopped answering my direct questions saying read your posts when I quoted to and responded to every point you made in your posts and then you ask if im trolling when im trying to understand how your thought process makes any kind of sense.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 16 2014 02:20 GMT
#1212
On May 16 2014 10:43 Zhiroo wrote:
Just had a weird game. Everyone in my team got disconnected for 10 minutes and then suddenly I reconnect and see '<Player> has unpaused the game.' in the chat

Drophack. The person "unpausing" according to the message isn't necessarily the drophacker, though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 16 2014 02:21 GMT
#1213
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MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
May 16 2014 02:26 GMT
#1214
On May 16 2014 10:44 Slayer91 wrote:
1st case is the assumption that all you care about is completing the project, and not trying to improve your skill via doing the project, that being the second case. Tthe first case assumes that the game is a task and the objective is purely to win, and its work. The second case makes it seem more like a passion project. In the second case youd have no reason to think that the other guy is an asshole for getting tired and leaving.

Becoming a coke addict happens naturally for some people with access to coke. I don't know what your definition of natural is but if it happens without direct interference of nature I guess its natural right?

"what can you do we're all humans"
that's just an excuse. You have power over your emotions and especially the mindset that produces those emotions.

Unless you're a regular acid using hippy who has killed his own ego, you're going to get mad when something you've invested yourself into doesn't go your way.
Platinum Support GOD
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 16 2014 02:28 GMT
#1215
Which is why I recommend switching your mindset of "If I don;t win this game I wasted my time" to "I want to play a game of league and play my best" hippie as it sounds
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 16 2014 02:30 GMT
#1216
On May 16 2014 11:28 Slayer91 wrote:
Which is why I recommend switching your mindset of "If I don;t win this game I wasted my time" to "I want to play a game of league and play my best" hippie as it sounds

I haven't read the past two pages but if this is the TL;DR of your message, I'm with you brother.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 02:35:09
May 16 2014 02:31 GMT
#1217
On May 16 2014 11:28 Slayer91 wrote:
Which is why I recommend switching your mindset of "If I don;t win this game I wasted my time" to "I want to play a game of league and play my best" hippie as it sounds

You're assuming being happy about my performance and being happy about the game are the same thing. I can be happy about the way I played without being happy about how the game went if I lose. I've even had wins where my team throws a huge lead but we win anyway and I'm not happy about those games. Though being unsatisfied with the game doesn't make me think I wasted my time, I do play ultimately cause its fun.

Edit: Both extremes seem pretty silly. It's pretty crazy to me that someone could be completely indifferent to losing while I also think it's dumb if you can't have fun without winning.
Platinum Support GOD
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 16 2014 02:51 GMT
#1218
It's a hard state of mind to reach. But, it's the right one to have. If you can critically analyze your play, you should be able to detach performance from results.
liftlift > tsm
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 03:11:27
May 16 2014 03:11 GMT
#1219
After solo queuing so much I'm just numb to losing. I don't feel anything from losses, but I like wins still. It's nice
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 03:22:18
May 16 2014 03:19 GMT
#1220
I have like 4 thousand games these past 2 and a half years and losing still aggravates me. It takes like 3-4 losses in a row for me to become really annoyed and stop playing though. I don't think I'll ever be completely indifferent especially if I'm playing badly

I'm only talking about ranked though. I am completely desensitized to normal games, mostly because I play to have fun with retarded stuff like trinity-force bruiser diana, AD kat, and manamune+frozen fist kassadin.
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