On May 15 2014 19:11 justiceknight wrote: i heard of skipping promotion if ur elo is extreme higher than the division u are in, is that true?
i do believe you have to do the promo set but you can easily skip divisions
On May 15 2014 17:57 Celial wrote: How is it fair in ranked matchmaking to pair me (Silver 2, freshly promoted) with Gold 4 - Silver 4 players against Gold 2 - Platin 4 players?
Only happened after my promotion, before I always had players with max one division difference. On my team and the enemy team. Now all my lanes (I jungle) are just losing horribly all the time, literally each lane dies 5 times before 10 minutes. I am completely useless because either I play Shyvana and am the only one on my team on the farm of the enemy, or I play Pantheon and am completely useless.
I got a fresh promo and am only losing since then on. Next loss probably demotion.
I don'Ät really want to QQ, but I am just so frustrated -.-
your mmr might be a little higher than your rank or it was thrown off a bit by a duo queue group
I've heard Thorin and Monte talk about the desire for more international tournaments in League of Legends. One of the top posts on Reddit now is parroting that and asking for Riot to move Spring Split to allow Western teams to play in OGN. The idea always is that international tournaments will raise the level of play and provide a more compelling competitive scene.
However, on what basis do we arrive at that conclusion?
StarCraft had the format most near to what people are asking for LoL. Foreigners could go and play in GSL, and GOM made it easier for them to do that. Yet, the Western players didn't magically improve. The playing field was no more level. Instead, Koreans travel all over the world winning tournaments. The NA scene seemingly suffered as a result.
Now in LoL we have a similar situation. Any international tournament is dominated by Koreans. Why do we think that sending some teams over to be slaughtered in OGN would be any more fruitful than the foreigners that went to GSL? If anything, I think LCS has shown that each region can host compelling leagues and playoffs without having to force mingling between regions.
Seems reasonable to keep things mostly the way they are and have Worlds as essentially the WCG of LoL - where teams can go to be get their kill on Faker and then tweet #worth. Maybe one year another team will upset the Koreans and become like the foreigner legends of BW.
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Having said that, I think there is value in restructuring LCS to give players and teams a more substantial off-season. There is probably also value in having a longer, single-season of LCS to prevent the case of the Spring Split, which is only relevant for relegation and All-Stars. However, I just don't think the scene needs more region elitism, and I don't think international competitions are very compelling (due to stomps), other than EU vs NA.
On May 15 2014 04:33 kongoline wrote: so rengar rework did absolutely nothing, he still one shots people like before with barely any counterplay, their balance team is so incompetent its pathetic
User was temp banned for this post.
while i don't agree with the tone of your post, I do agree that rengar's stealth mechanic is horrific to play against if he gets even some semblance of ahead, which isn't that hard if he makes one good gank or catch
There is counterplay but its just a lot of work.You get exhaust and upgrade red trinket.Only annoying part is you have to play with sound on so you hear his ult.
On May 16 2014 01:58 Takkara wrote: I've heard Thorin and Monte talk about the desire for more international tournaments in League of Legends. One of the top posts on Reddit now is parroting that and asking for Riot to move Spring Split to allow Western teams to play in OGN. The idea always is that international tournaments will raise the level of play and provide a more compelling competitive scene.
However, on what basis do we arrive at that conclusion?
StarCraft had the format most near to what people are asking for LoL. Foreigners could go and play in GSL, and GOM made it easier for them to do that. Yet, the Western players didn't magically improve. The playing field was no more level. Instead, Koreans travel all over the world winning tournaments. The NA scene seemingly suffered as a result.
Now in LoL we have a similar situation. Any international tournament is dominated by Koreans. Why do we think that sending some teams over to be slaughtered in OGN would be any more fruitful than the foreigners that went to GSL? If anything, I think LCS has shown that each region can host compelling leagues and playoffs without having to force mingling between regions.
Seems reasonable to keep things mostly the way they are and have Worlds as essentially the WCG of LoL - where teams can go to be get their kill on Faker and then tweet #worth. Maybe one year another team will upset the Koreans and become like the foreigner legends of BW.
---
Having said that, I think there is value in restructuring LCS to give players and teams a more substantial off-season. There is probably also value in having a longer, single-season of LCS to prevent the case of the Spring Split, which is only relevant for relegation and All-Stars. However, I just don't think the scene needs more region elitism, and I don't think international competitions are very compelling (due to stomps), other than EU vs NA.
People are most likely looking at Dota and all the international competition that happens there. I don't know if it's just that they want teams to go play internationally or they want actual tournaments again like they used to. IPL5 is still the best league event and that was 2 years ago.
On May 16 2014 01:58 Takkara wrote: I've heard Thorin and Monte talk about the desire for more international tournaments in League of Legends. One of the top posts on Reddit now is parroting that and asking for Riot to move Spring Split to allow Western teams to play in OGN. The idea always is that international tournaments will raise the level of play and provide a more compelling competitive scene.
However, on what basis do we arrive at that conclusion?
StarCraft had the format most near to what people are asking for LoL. Foreigners could go and play in GSL, and GOM made it easier for them to do that. Yet, the Western players didn't magically improve. The playing field was no more level. Instead, Koreans travel all over the world winning tournaments. The NA scene seemingly suffered as a result.
Now in LoL we have a similar situation. Any international tournament is dominated by Koreans. Why do we think that sending some teams over to be slaughtered in OGN would be any more fruitful than the foreigners that went to GSL? If anything, I think LCS has shown that each region can host compelling leagues and playoffs without having to force mingling between regions.
Seems reasonable to keep things mostly the way they are and have Worlds as essentially the WCG of LoL - where teams can go to be get their kill on Faker and then tweet #worth. Maybe one year another team will upset the Koreans and become like the foreigner legends of BW.
---
Having said that, I think there is value in restructuring LCS to give players and teams a more substantial off-season. There is probably also value in having a longer, single-season of LCS to prevent the case of the Spring Split, which is only relevant for relegation and All-Stars. However, I just don't think the scene needs more region elitism, and I don't think international competitions are very compelling (due to stomps), other than EU vs NA.
People are most likely looking at Dota and all the international competition that happens there. I don't know if it's just that they want teams to go play internationally or they want actual tournaments again like they used to. IPL5 is still the best league event and that was 2 years ago.
I agree international tournaments used to be awesome when talent between the top teams was closer, but now it's just teams being slaughtered by whatever Korean team shows up. If EU and NA play each other, it can get pretty hype, and then the winning side claims regional superiority until the next tournament. If EU and NA don't play each other, then they get slaughtered by China/Korea and then try to parse apart the butchery to figure out who got slaughtered least, and then claim regional superiority until the next tournament. If that's what people want to see more of, then count me out.
On May 15 2014 15:26 sob3k wrote: Why does everyone go BOTRK on jax? why not hydra or something? I'm assuming you always go triforce, but why BOTRK?
He's got really nice gap closer, and speed from triforce, plus already gets free AS, and BOTRK has bad synergy with his ult
BotRK builds naturally (you often want a Vamp Scepter/Cutlass in lane), synergizes well with his high AS, helps his duelist/split-push style, and increases his mobility. Most people build BotRK first, but depending on your lane opponent you might want TF first.
I feel like vs almost anyone as soon as you get Bork no one can 1v1 you tbh. I almost always go Bork-> Phage when im playing Jax
On May 16 2014 01:58 Takkara wrote: I've heard Thorin and Monte talk about the desire for more international tournaments in League of Legends. One of the top posts on Reddit now is parroting that and asking for Riot to move Spring Split to allow Western teams to play in OGN. The idea always is that international tournaments will raise the level of play and provide a more compelling competitive scene.
However, on what basis do we arrive at that conclusion?
StarCraft had the format most near to what people are asking for LoL. Foreigners could go and play in GSL, and GOM made it easier for them to do that. Yet, the Western players didn't magically improve. The playing field was no more level. Instead, Koreans travel all over the world winning tournaments. The NA scene seemingly suffered as a result.
Now in LoL we have a similar situation. Any international tournament is dominated by Koreans. Why do we think that sending some teams over to be slaughtered in OGN would be any more fruitful than the foreigners that went to GSL? If anything, I think LCS has shown that each region can host compelling leagues and playoffs without having to force mingling between regions.
Seems reasonable to keep things mostly the way they are and have Worlds as essentially the WCG of LoL - where teams can go to be get their kill on Faker and then tweet #worth. Maybe one year another team will upset the Koreans and become like the foreigner legends of BW.
---
Having said that, I think there is value in restructuring LCS to give players and teams a more substantial off-season. There is probably also value in having a longer, single-season of LCS to prevent the case of the Spring Split, which is only relevant for relegation and All-Stars. However, I just don't think the scene needs more region elitism, and I don't think international competitions are very compelling (due to stomps), other than EU vs NA.
People are most likely looking at Dota and all the international competition that happens there. I don't know if it's just that they want teams to go play internationally or they want actual tournaments again like they used to. IPL5 is still the best league event and that was 2 years ago.
I agree international tournaments used to be awesome when talent between the top teams was closer, but now it's just teams being slaughtered by whatever Korean team shows up. If EU and NA play each other, it can get pretty hype, and then the winning side claims regional superiority until the next tournament. If EU and NA don't play each other, then they get slaughtered by China/Korea and then try to parse apart the butchery to figure out who got slaughtered least, and then claim regional superiority until the next tournament. If that's what people want to see more of, then count me out.
You don't get better by playing teams of the same level of play as you. You get better by getting your shit pushed in constantly until you figure out a way to beat that. If you can't? Well, then that sucks. The fact of the matter is that NA and EU teams just aren't as good as KR/CN teams, but they aren't going to get better by continually playing NA and EU teams.
On May 15 2014 04:33 kongoline wrote: so rengar rework did absolutely nothing, he still one shots people like before with barely any counterplay, their balance team is so incompetent its pathetic
User was temp banned for this post.
while i don't agree with the tone of your post, I do agree that rengar's stealth mechanic is horrific to play against if he gets even some semblance of ahead, which isn't that hard if he makes one good gank or catch
randiuns is 3k gold away and rengar is killing your adc now?
you dont need a slow, rengar is killing your ADC with a leap. you need to keep him alive long enough to start chaining your stuns. if you know a way to get a free randiuns im all ears.
On May 16 2014 01:58 Takkara wrote: I've heard Thorin and Monte talk about the desire for more international tournaments in League of Legends. One of the top posts on Reddit now is parroting that and asking for Riot to move Spring Split to allow Western teams to play in OGN. The idea always is that international tournaments will raise the level of play and provide a more compelling competitive scene.
However, on what basis do we arrive at that conclusion?
StarCraft had the format most near to what people are asking for LoL. Foreigners could go and play in GSL, and GOM made it easier for them to do that. Yet, the Western players didn't magically improve. The playing field was no more level. Instead, Koreans travel all over the world winning tournaments. The NA scene seemingly suffered as a result.
Now in LoL we have a similar situation. Any international tournament is dominated by Koreans. Why do we think that sending some teams over to be slaughtered in OGN would be any more fruitful than the foreigners that went to GSL? If anything, I think LCS has shown that each region can host compelling leagues and playoffs without having to force mingling between regions.
Seems reasonable to keep things mostly the way they are and have Worlds as essentially the WCG of LoL - where teams can go to be get their kill on Faker and then tweet #worth. Maybe one year another team will upset the Koreans and become like the foreigner legends of BW.
---
Having said that, I think there is value in restructuring LCS to give players and teams a more substantial off-season. There is probably also value in having a longer, single-season of LCS to prevent the case of the Spring Split, which is only relevant for relegation and All-Stars. However, I just don't think the scene needs more region elitism, and I don't think international competitions are very compelling (due to stomps), other than EU vs NA.
People are most likely looking at Dota and all the international competition that happens there. I don't know if it's just that they want teams to go play internationally or they want actual tournaments again like they used to. IPL5 is still the best league event and that was 2 years ago.
I agree international tournaments used to be awesome when talent between the top teams was closer, but now it's just teams being slaughtered by whatever Korean team shows up. If EU and NA play each other, it can get pretty hype, and then the winning side claims regional superiority until the next tournament. If EU and NA don't play each other, then they get slaughtered by China/Korea and then try to parse apart the butchery to figure out who got slaughtered least, and then claim regional superiority until the next tournament. If that's what people want to see more of, then count me out.
You don't get better by playing teams of the same level of play as you. You get better by getting your shit pushed in constantly until you figure out a way to beat that. If you can't? Well, then that sucks. The fact of the matter is that NA and EU teams just aren't as good as KR/CN teams, but they aren't going to get better by continually playing NA and EU teams.
To continue your line of reasoning, NA and EU teams won't get to be as good as KR/CN teams by only playing them during international tournaments. Ignoring CN briefly, let's focus on KR. At one point NA/EU were better than KR, because there was no scene in KR. They surpassed the rest of the world and are completely untouchable at this point. They didn't get that way by playing NA and EU teams. They got that way by having an engine of improvement that burned faster and harder than the engines of the NA and EU scenes.
Bringing KR teams to tournaments to slaughter NA and EU teams may cause the NA and EU teams to improve in an isolated sense, but it cannot help them catch up to KR in a relative sense, because as soon as you put the NA and EU teams back into their own scenes, there is nothing to continue that improvement and KR just keeps churning forward.
The real driving force for improvement in NA seems to be due to organisations spending money on building the infrastructure necessary to approximate that which makes KR so successful, and because we're consolidating talent from across NA, EU, CN, and now KR to improve the quality of OUR league.
If teams want to practice internationally, that's great. It will help teams like C9 get the humble pie they need to motivate themselves to improve. That doesn't mean that it will make a compelling viewer experience, and therefore I don't see a reason to push for more one-sided international competitions. Battle of the Atlantic could still be great, but IEM/All-Stars is somewhat less so, just because of how lopsided it gets.
On May 16 2014 01:58 Takkara wrote: I've heard Thorin and Monte talk about the desire for more international tournaments in League of Legends. One of the top posts on Reddit now is parroting that and asking for Riot to move Spring Split to allow Western teams to play in OGN. The idea always is that international tournaments will raise the level of play and provide a more compelling competitive scene.
However, on what basis do we arrive at that conclusion?
StarCraft had the format most near to what people are asking for LoL. Foreigners could go and play in GSL, and GOM made it easier for them to do that. Yet, the Western players didn't magically improve. The playing field was no more level. Instead, Koreans travel all over the world winning tournaments. The NA scene seemingly suffered as a result.
Now in LoL we have a similar situation. Any international tournament is dominated by Koreans. Why do we think that sending some teams over to be slaughtered in OGN would be any more fruitful than the foreigners that went to GSL? If anything, I think LCS has shown that each region can host compelling leagues and playoffs without having to force mingling between regions.
Seems reasonable to keep things mostly the way they are and have Worlds as essentially the WCG of LoL - where teams can go to be get their kill on Faker and then tweet #worth. Maybe one year another team will upset the Koreans and become like the foreigner legends of BW.
---
Having said that, I think there is value in restructuring LCS to give players and teams a more substantial off-season. There is probably also value in having a longer, single-season of LCS to prevent the case of the Spring Split, which is only relevant for relegation and All-Stars. However, I just don't think the scene needs more region elitism, and I don't think international competitions are very compelling (due to stomps), other than EU vs NA.
People are most likely looking at Dota and all the international competition that happens there. I don't know if it's just that they want teams to go play internationally or they want actual tournaments again like they used to. IPL5 is still the best league event and that was 2 years ago.
I agree international tournaments used to be awesome when talent between the top teams was closer, but now it's just teams being slaughtered by whatever Korean team shows up. If EU and NA play each other, it can get pretty hype, and then the winning side claims regional superiority until the next tournament. If EU and NA don't play each other, then they get slaughtered by China/Korea and then try to parse apart the butchery to figure out who got slaughtered least, and then claim regional superiority until the next tournament. If that's what people want to see more of, then count me out.
You don't get better by playing teams of the same level of play as you. You get better by getting your shit pushed in constantly until you figure out a way to beat that. If you can't? Well, then that sucks. The fact of the matter is that NA and EU teams just aren't as good as KR/CN teams, but they aren't going to get better by continually playing NA and EU teams.
Actually, the best and fastest way to learn is to get beat by someone who's JUST better enough to consistently beat you, and then move on to the next-best when you catch up.
Getting your shit pushed in works best only if the other team points out all of your mistakes and helps you to correct them. Simply losing over and over again by a hopeless margin does much less than the above method to improve your play. It can work, but it takes much much longer without that better team essentially coaching you up to their level.
On May 16 2014 03:16 turdburgler wrote: randiuns is 3k gold away and rengar is killing your adc now?
you dont need a slow, rengar is killing your ADC with a leap. you need to keep him alive long enough to start chaining your stuns. if you know a way to get a free randiuns im all ears.
its 1400 gold away if you skip useless itemsl ike mikaels
the idea is to sacrifice your adc you dont need him anyway you jump in and kills theirs theres nothing cool about using a 300 hp heal to try to save your useless twitch and maybe that 1.25 second q if that's enough and you feel like babysitting him
putting on a metal track and diving their adc with randuins and or sunfire is definitely cool though
On May 16 2014 01:58 Takkara wrote: I've heard Thorin and Monte talk about the desire for more international tournaments in League of Legends. One of the top posts on Reddit now is parroting that and asking for Riot to move Spring Split to allow Western teams to play in OGN. The idea always is that international tournaments will raise the level of play and provide a more compelling competitive scene.
However, on what basis do we arrive at that conclusion?
StarCraft had the format most near to what people are asking for LoL. Foreigners could go and play in GSL, and GOM made it easier for them to do that. Yet, the Western players didn't magically improve. The playing field was no more level. Instead, Koreans travel all over the world winning tournaments. The NA scene seemingly suffered as a result.
Now in LoL we have a similar situation. Any international tournament is dominated by Koreans. Why do we think that sending some teams over to be slaughtered in OGN would be any more fruitful than the foreigners that went to GSL? If anything, I think LCS has shown that each region can host compelling leagues and playoffs without having to force mingling between regions.
Seems reasonable to keep things mostly the way they are and have Worlds as essentially the WCG of LoL - where teams can go to be get their kill on Faker and then tweet #worth. Maybe one year another team will upset the Koreans and become like the foreigner legends of BW.
---
Having said that, I think there is value in restructuring LCS to give players and teams a more substantial off-season. There is probably also value in having a longer, single-season of LCS to prevent the case of the Spring Split, which is only relevant for relegation and All-Stars. However, I just don't think the scene needs more region elitism, and I don't think international competitions are very compelling (due to stomps), other than EU vs NA.
People are most likely looking at Dota and all the international competition that happens there. I don't know if it's just that they want teams to go play internationally or they want actual tournaments again like they used to. IPL5 is still the best league event and that was 2 years ago.
I agree international tournaments used to be awesome when talent between the top teams was closer, but now it's just teams being slaughtered by whatever Korean team shows up. If EU and NA play each other, it can get pretty hype, and then the winning side claims regional superiority until the next tournament. If EU and NA don't play each other, then they get slaughtered by China/Korea and then try to parse apart the butchery to figure out who got slaughtered least, and then claim regional superiority until the next tournament. If that's what people want to see more of, then count me out.
You don't get better by playing teams of the same level of play as you. You get better by getting your shit pushed in constantly until you figure out a way to beat that. If you can't? Well, then that sucks. The fact of the matter is that NA and EU teams just aren't as good as KR/CN teams, but they aren't going to get better by continually playing NA and EU teams.
Actually, the best and fastest way to learn is to get beat by someone who's JUST better enough to consistently beat you, and then move on to the next-best when you catch up.
Getting your shit pushed in works best only if the other team points out all of your mistakes and helps you to correct them. Simply losing over and over again by a hopeless margin does much less than the above method to improve your play. It can work, but it takes much much longer without that better team essentially coaching you up to their level.
Sure, I can agree with this post. My main point was that the NA/EU scenes won't improve by circlejerking themselves in their own scene.
But you're right, getting stomped only works if you get feedback after you got stomped.
EPT
