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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"

In regards to theorycrafting and hyperbole, please have firsthand experience of the scenario before giving your input

Future of TL LoL, post Liquid`Dota standalone site
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 15 2014 18:41 GMT
#1101
only weak men go wardens mail after targons HP is far superior for maximizing dat ehp
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35153 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-15 18:45:25
May 15 2014 18:43 GMT
#1102
On May 16 2014 03:41 Slayer91 wrote:
only weak men go wardens mail after targons HP is far superior for maximizing dat ehp

Dat W + Omen's slow steroid doe.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 15 2014 18:44 GMT
#1103
On May 16 2014 03:43 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2014 03:41 Slayer91 wrote:
only weak men go wardens mail after targons HP is far superior for maximizing dat ehp

Dat W + Omen's slow steroid though.

Literally amumu ult
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 15 2014 18:45 GMT
#1104
On May 16 2014 01:58 Takkara wrote:
I've heard Thorin and Monte talk about the desire for more international tournaments in League of Legends. One of the top posts on Reddit now is parroting that and asking for Riot to move Spring Split to allow Western teams to play in OGN. The idea always is that international tournaments will raise the level of play and provide a more compelling competitive scene.

However, on what basis do we arrive at that conclusion?

StarCraft had the format most near to what people are asking for LoL. Foreigners could go and play in GSL, and GOM made it easier for them to do that. Yet, the Western players didn't magically improve. The playing field was no more level. Instead, Koreans travel all over the world winning tournaments. The NA scene seemingly suffered as a result.

Now in LoL we have a similar situation. Any international tournament is dominated by Koreans. Why do we think that sending some teams over to be slaughtered in OGN would be any more fruitful than the foreigners that went to GSL? If anything, I think LCS has shown that each region can host compelling leagues and playoffs without having to force mingling between regions.

Seems reasonable to keep things mostly the way they are and have Worlds as essentially the WCG of LoL - where teams can go to be get their kill on Faker and then tweet #worth. Maybe one year another team will upset the Koreans and become like the foreigner legends of BW.

---

Having said that, I think there is value in restructuring LCS to give players and teams a more substantial off-season. There is probably also value in having a longer, single-season of LCS to prevent the case of the Spring Split, which is only relevant for relegation and All-Stars. However, I just don't think the scene needs more region elitism, and I don't think international competitions are very compelling (due to stomps), other than EU vs NA.

That's such a cop out excuse though. Even if teams like C9 go, it's not like they don't get anything out of it. If anything they still get a couple weeks of solid scrimming with korean teams, that in itself is a huge benefit.
liftlift > tsm
lefty
Profile Joined November 2003
United States1896 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-15 18:51:05
May 15 2014 18:49 GMT
#1105
Since world's will be in Korea this year, a few teams will get the opportunity to be in that environment. A taste of having a real competitive solo queue and countless of scrim opportunities against teams that would dominate their region. Even the prime teams, or xenics teams will put up a good fight against teams like C9
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-15 19:01:53
May 15 2014 19:01 GMT
#1106
On May 16 2014 03:37 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2014 03:26 Nemireck wrote:
When I play Leona my team is lucky if I get a Sightstone, let alone Mikael's.

Targon - Warden's Mail/Chain Vest - Randuin's/Sunfire - Boots.

Manmode that shit, vision is for pussies!

Are you this type of Leona?
http://i.imgur.com/ZgOYSas.jpg


ADC at the fountain buying BF? All in baby! If I can land that E I'm going!

I'm a muffuckin tank.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 15 2014 19:02 GMT
#1107
On May 16 2014 03:49 lefty wrote:
Since world's will be in Korea this year, a few teams will get the opportunity to be in that environment. A taste of having a real competitive solo queue and countless of scrim opportunities against teams that would dominate their region. Even the prime teams, or xenics teams will show C9 how far behind the rest of the world is compared to Korea


Fixed that for you.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 15 2014 19:03 GMT
#1108
On May 16 2014 03:44 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2014 03:43 Gahlo wrote:
On May 16 2014 03:41 Slayer91 wrote:
only weak men go wardens mail after targons HP is far superior for maximizing dat ehp

Dat W + Omen's slow steroid though.

Literally amumu ult


that doesnt make any sense because you don't need to buy wardens mail first to get randuins. Getting giants belt first is far better for your EHP curve, your hp can catch up somewhat with levels, so especially early hp is the strongest stat.
im disappointed in your gahlo, with my imaginary mod powers you'd be so fucked
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 15 2014 19:04 GMT
#1109
Prime optimus legit team, old b/zentjin can play with the best. They just need to not make the amateur mistakes they do atm like awful baron calls.
Glorious SEA doto
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 15 2014 19:27 GMT
#1110
Old B is a god
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-15 19:34:16
May 15 2014 19:31 GMT
#1111
Hmmm... how good was Ozone around S3 in Korea? Can someone remind me?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35153 Posts
May 15 2014 19:31 GMT
#1112
On May 16 2014 04:03 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2014 03:44 Fusilero wrote:
On May 16 2014 03:43 Gahlo wrote:
On May 16 2014 03:41 Slayer91 wrote:
only weak men go wardens mail after targons HP is far superior for maximizing dat ehp

Dat W + Omen's slow steroid though.

Literally amumu ult


that doesnt make any sense because you don't need to buy wardens mail first to get randuins. Getting giants belt first is far better for your EHP curve, your hp can catch up somewhat with levels, so especially early hp is the strongest stat.
im disappointed in your gahlo, with my imaginary mod powers you'd be so fucked

I never espoused Warden's before Belt. I was just pointing out the interaction cause otherwise it'd be "Fuck Omen, 'Mog time!"

Keep mah name out chya Kog'Maw.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 15 2014 19:34 GMT
#1113
well theoretically the 20% bonus armour scaling or whatever on randuins provided with the attack speed slow, means that once your health levels increase due to base stats it becomes more reasonable to go randuins over warmogs
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35153 Posts
May 15 2014 19:35 GMT
#1114
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 15 2014 19:37 GMT
#1115
dat j4
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-15 19:39:50
May 15 2014 19:38 GMT
#1116
Trying to teach my friend in low silver how not to jungle like a dumbass. Tell him to watch streams, he turns on most popular one and it's fucking Trick2g doing his stupid madstone shit.

Now hes going madred's/spirit stone on EVERYONE. Last night he was building it on Nocturne because he could "abuse mana in the jungle". I was like "WTF ABUSE WHAT MANA? You only have one skill that you use on camps...."

Sigh Trick2g......

On a funny note he tried telling me the 20% damage increase on spirit stone is basically a 20% move speed buff. Ugh...
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AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
May 15 2014 19:40 GMT
#1117
To be honest if LCS had the OGN format and more equally skilled teams then I wouldn't care that they are worse than Koreans. But right now I'd give a lot to see C9, CLG, SK, ALL, OMG and EDG fight for their spots against Xenics or Jin Air rather than see 4 games of C9 vs Crs, 4 games of CLG vs CoL, 4 games of ALL vs Millenium, 4 games of OMG vs Royal etc. I honestly don't know if these teams would get better after playing in Korea, but I think the fact that it's a 5v5 game and not a 1v1 is enough to question whether KR can really have 16 undisputed best teams in the World.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-15 19:51:57
May 15 2014 19:44 GMT
#1118
On May 16 2014 04:38 Diamond wrote:
Trying to teach my friend in low silver how not to jungle like a dumbass. Tell him to watch streams, he turns on most popular one and it's fucking Trick2g doing his stupid madstone shit.

Now hes going madred's/spirit stone on EVERYONE. Last night he was building it on Nocturne because he could "abuse mana in the jungle". I was like "WTF ABUSE WHAT MANA? You only have one skill that you use on camps...."

Sigh Trick2g......

On a funny note he tried telling me the 20% damage increase on spirit stone is basically a 20% move speed buff. Ugh...


LOL i used to get madreds and spirit stone all the time
its not that bad if it suits your gold curve
scip hates it though

honestly trick is a solid enough jungler, i mean he plays in a selfish way a little too much but it doesnt matter too much

watching streams isnt great though, because 99% of the decisions the streamer makes will be off a knowledge and thought process that he doesn't know about at all. the streamer has a feel fo the champion matchups lane position enemy jungle position liklihood of the gank being a kill and how to execute it that all plays toward a play being good.
the best way is for him to accept he's bad and just search for solutions to being successful early game

equating 20% clear speed with a move speed buff isnt a completely horrible way to think, by increasing clear speed you increase time to gank and the extra hp and mana gives you some compensation for having less stats from items. (700 gold less).
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 15 2014 19:50 GMT
#1119
On May 16 2014 04:38 Diamond wrote:
Trying to teach my friend in low silver how not to jungle like a dumbass. Tell him to watch streams, he turns on most popular one and it's fucking Trick2g doing his stupid madstone shit.

Now hes going madred's/spirit stone on EVERYONE. Last night he was building it on Nocturne because he could "abuse mana in the jungle". I was like "WTF ABUSE WHAT MANA? You only have one skill that you use on camps...."

Sigh Trick2g......

On a funny note he tried telling me the 20% damage increase on spirit stone is basically a 20% move speed buff. Ugh...

remember, you brought this among yourself. also, there's really nothign too wrong with what trick does tbh, he's decent mmr.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 15 2014 19:52 GMT
#1120
TOO was great because he explained all of his decisions, and he was like a fish in a pond of water in the s2 meta so he was always on top of his game and his knowledge was top notch. He explained little about mechanics, but a bunch about game sense and that's what counts when you're looking to learn jungling.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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