EPT[Patch 4.7] Braum General Discussion - Page 34
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Like, it's hard to pick an ADC who attacks without projectiles, but I hope you're seeing my point. Braum E isn't going to protect a Kennen Karthus Wukong Zyra AOE combo from killing somebody. It's only going to keep Braum alive and once the rest of his team is dead he isn't gonna do shit. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On May 13 2014 08:17 nafta wrote: Well it doesn't block tristana e since it blocks only the initial damage.I can only assume it is the same for swain. Yasuo wall doesn't block swain q afaik On another note, I just played an all ad vs all ad game. Everyone got randuins as their second/third item. Was pretty funny having nobody be able to kill anyone. Even the assassins (zed/panth/riven) were all really tanky in the midgame, and leona/renekton were unkillable. Tons of 30-40s bloodbath fights in the midgame, with noone ever dieing. I've had games where one side was all ad and just got outscaled, but having it be both sides was actually refreshingly different and fun :D | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On May 13 2014 08:46 Ketara wrote: Right, all of Vaynes damage other than silver bolts which is what, almost half of her damage? Not even close to it. Obviously skewed because it's not affected by damage reduction and as a support Braum's going to have more HP than resistances, but it's a common misconception when in actuality most of Vayne's damage comes from Tumble and the AD steroid on her ult (I remember calculations but they were made pre-ult nerf). Silver Bolts were closer to around a third of her damage at the time. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On May 13 2014 08:46 krndandaman wrote: what the fuck lol coach!? as an analyst, I don't think LS is bad, considering analysts don't get paid much or any at all. but as a coach I seriously doubt his ability to manage other players. meh its SHC though. risky bet, but hope it works out for them. He can teach them unreal macro and sick timing sense, so maybe they will be #1 team NA soon | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On May 13 2014 08:38 Scip wrote: Well, since LS is on TL, I wonder if he'll become guitarsaurus 2.0? You mean as far as Reddit hating him? Nah. Korean influence too op for Reddit. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On May 13 2014 08:51 Gahlo wrote: You mean as far as Reddit hating him? Nah. Korean influence too op for Reddit. what what did i miss there ?? | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I dont see LS dping this for more than one split though. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
A week or two ago a friend who doesn't browse TL was all linking me his coaching videos and whatever like they were super cool and I wanted to be like "This guy is a douche don't watch his videos" but did not have the backstory to properly explain said douchery. If it's not really GD material, could PM me. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On May 13 2014 08:41 Ketara wrote: You're confusing me. The total number of resists gained with those items per level of Braums W goes from 119.2 at rank 1 to 200 at rank 5. It doesn't scale as well as say, Leona W (which goes from 76 at rank 1 to 172 at rank 5) but it's still pretty good. Again, assuming you're going to be maxing Q first, it seems to me that the incoming type of damage is going to make a big difference on whether or not Braum gets W second or E second. If the enemy team is Karthus Kennen Zyra Wukong and Vayne, the only things on that team Braums E will actually block are Kennen Q and Zyra E. If the enemy team is Nidalee Jayce Elise Ezreal Karma, almost everything on the enemy team is being blocked by his E, and the cooldown reduction on the E will probably be a big deal. Its because you're multiplying by 4 when you should not be. Total armor per person gained with those items is about 34. You get 14 armor from +100 armor(assume 30 from masteries/runes) you get 20 from the base. At rank 5 you get +50. 30 from base and 20 from scaling. So sure each person gets 50 armor/mr and so the total resists gained is 200. But we want the margin If i have those items and i have rank 1 E, and I am braum then i have about 200 armor/mr, 234 armor/mr with rank 1 w active and 250 with rank 5 w active. The margin then on my defense is 234 vs 250. Or 3.5/3.34. With this i am 4.7% tankier. For your ADC they will have about 70 armor/mr (well lets assume to make things beneficial to w). So the differential is 220 to 204 or 7.84%. With rank 5 W your ADC is 7.84% tanker than with rank 1 E. 1% of 2000 HP is about 20 HP. So if we were comparing the margin on W it would be like if it gave your AD a scaling shield which was 20 HP per level. 34 armor/mr plus a shield which was 0 HP+ 20/level. Now look at your E. Your E goes from 30% DR to 40% DR while also preventing all projectile attacks on your entire team. This is a 16.6% increase in tankyness (on your tank no less) while necessarily directing attacks that would go onto your AD to go onto the tank. E = Super good per level. You get loots of DR and a huge uptime advantage W= Super bad per level. You get minor uptime a very little tankiness per level. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On May 13 2014 09:00 Ketara wrote: I would really like, for my edification, a list of all the bad things LS has done to make everybody hate him so. A week or two ago a friend who doesn't browse TL was all linking me his coaching videos and whatever like they were super cool and I wanted to be like "This guy is a douche don't watch his videos" but did not have the backstory to properly explain said douchery. If it's not really GD material, could PM me. Why would you not watch his videos because other people don't like him...? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Like, I guess the miscommunication here is whether or not the 30 bonus armor he gets scales into the 20% bonus armor. But regardless, I feel like this has very little to do with my overall point about the type of incoming damage. If the incoming damage is not a projectile, a level in Braums W increases the amount of damage he is preventing his carry from taking by more than a level in his E does. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
If the person on the enemy team who is killing your squishies is Fiora, how does leveling Braums E protect them? His W may not give as many raw stats per level when you're just looking at numbers, but it's not exactly terrible either, and in this particular game where we're dealing with a super fed Fiora, his W actually protects your carry and his E only protects himself. Therefor, in this situation it's probably a better idea for him to level W second and E third. On the other hand, if he's dealing with a fed enemy Nidalee, it's probably a better idea for him to level E second and W third. In short, I do not think the level order of his skills is very clear cut. I think it is going to be game dependent. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On May 13 2014 09:00 Ketara wrote: I would really like, for my edification, a list of all the bad things LS has done to make everybody hate him so. A week or two ago a friend who doesn't browse TL was all linking me his coaching videos and whatever like they were super cool and I wanted to be like "This guy is a douche don't watch his videos" but did not have the backstory to properly explain said douchery. If it's not really GD material, could PM me. go to the right of the site where the search bar is, type "lastshadow" and then pick a random thread. you'll see why no one on teamliquid likes him pretty quickly | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On May 13 2014 09:07 Ketara wrote: But if we're assuming 30 armor/mr from runes and masteries, then rank 1 Braum W gives 36.4 armor/mr and rank 5 gives 56 armor/mr. Like, I guess the miscommunication here is whether or not the 30 bonus armor he gets scales into the 20% bonus armor. But regardless, I feel like this has very little to do with my overall point about the type of incoming damage. If the incoming damage is not a projectile, a level in Braums W increases the amount of damage he is preventing his carry from taking by more than a level in his E does. I was being simple and talking about total bonus armor/mr. At 100 bonus MR/armor then rank 1 gives 34(20+14% of 100) and rank 5 gives 50(30 + 20% of 100). 100 bonus armor/mr is pretty generous since it means you have 3 major items on top of your GP/10 and sight stone or 2 major and merc treads. This means that each level of w would give you and your AD 4 armor/mr when its up. Its the marginal value that matters and 4 armor/mr is pretty low. edit; If fiora is diving your adc you protect from everyone else but fiora while putting your passive on her and using your ult to knock their team up and fiora too if you're standing there | ||
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