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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 09 2014 11:55 GMT
#1641
do you evolve e or q first on kha jungle?
Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
March 09 2014 11:55 GMT
#1642
Is kha zix jungle still good after the nerfs? I was gonna buy him after seeing how good he was pre-nerf, but now im not sure if its worth the 6300 ip.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-09 12:01:21
March 09 2014 12:01 GMT
#1643
On March 09 2014 20:55 IMoperator wrote:
do you evolve e or q first on kha jungle?

Q first then E i believe for dmgs then resets
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Chemiczny84
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland458 Posts
March 09 2014 12:04 GMT
#1644
On March 09 2014 20:55 IMoperator wrote:
do you evolve e or q first on kha jungle?

q if opponents tanky, e if suishy, depends also on your lanes (probability of getting resets on e)
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 09 2014 12:38 GMT
#1645
also, im like completely stalling out in diamond 3. I have no idea what my strengths are as a player, it just feels like im mediocre at every role. Idk how i got this high, but it feels like i shouldnt be here. I cannot jungle, I can basically only play leblanc in mid, im decent at adc i guess, i dont play any tops and im not especially great at support. no idea what i should focus on to improve atm.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-09 13:00:56
March 09 2014 13:00 GMT
#1646
On March 09 2014 21:38 IMoperator wrote:
also, im like completely stalling out in diamond 3. I have no idea what my strengths are as a player, it just feels like im mediocre at every role. Idk how i got this high, but it feels like i shouldnt be here. I cannot jungle, I can basically only play leblanc in mid, im decent at adc i guess, i dont play any tops and im not especially great at support. no idea what i should focus on to improve atm.



I know dat feel, so take these 2 cents.

When i spammed my way up towards diamond 1, i was stuck in diamond 3 for the same reasons like you. I was playing Nunu at every chance i was giving, and every time i didn't get him, i was just mediocre and relied on my team. My best piece of advice, would be to find a "security pick" in case you don't get LB. What ADC's are you playing?


EDIT: And when you get Lebonk, aim for more consistent methods of carrying, that way the down-fall of not getting her for a few games, isn't as bad.
hi
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 09 2014 13:04 GMT
#1647
On March 09 2014 22:00 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 21:38 IMoperator wrote:
also, im like completely stalling out in diamond 3. I have no idea what my strengths are as a player, it just feels like im mediocre at every role. Idk how i got this high, but it feels like i shouldnt be here. I cannot jungle, I can basically only play leblanc in mid, im decent at adc i guess, i dont play any tops and im not especially great at support. no idea what i should focus on to improve atm.



I know dat feel, so take these 2 cents.

When i spammed my way up towards diamond 1, i was stuck in diamond 3 for the same reasons like you. I was playing Nunu at every chance i was giving, and every time i didn't get him, i was just mediocre and relied on my team. My best piece of advice, would be to find a "security pick" in case you don't get LB. What ADC's are you playing?


EDIT: And when you get Lebonk, aim for more consistent methods of carrying, that way the down-fall of not getting her for a few games, isn't as bad.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/48344783

that's my lolking, as you can see, besides lb i really dont do well on anything else. and i doubt im even good at leblanc, she's just op as fuck right now. i hate having to be carried so much, but i just have no idea what to play.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-09 13:11:31
March 09 2014 13:10 GMT
#1648
Well you do Lulu and Thresh just fine. Are you a decent lee sin, or do you just pick him when you're left out of options? A 13-12 isn't very convincing, and i doubt you've been practicing him that much? The same thing sort of goes to Caitlyn and Jinx as well.

It all comes down to finding 1-2 (maybe 3 if you feel really bad) new champions that can help support the LP gain you've obtained so far, from playing LB. Don't focus too much on what's op or not, if you have a feeling that the "OP-ness" is the factor that is carrying you right now, i would suggest that you practice more (custom games, normals, ranked 5v5 - don't ever think about practicing in solo Q).
hi
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
March 09 2014 13:13 GMT
#1649
I just watched Frozen this weekend. Now I want an Elsa skin for Lissandra, pre-icequeen or whatever :<
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 09 2014 13:56 GMT
#1650
On March 09 2014 21:38 IMoperator wrote:
also, im like completely stalling out in diamond 3. I have no idea what my strengths are as a player, it just feels like im mediocre at every role. Idk how i got this high, but it feels like i shouldnt be here. I cannot jungle, I can basically only play leblanc in mid, im decent at adc i guess, i dont play any tops and im not especially great at support. no idea what i should focus on to improve atm.

Just pick some champs you enjoy playing.All there is to it.If you feel like you "have to" grind to get higher elo it is just a waste.
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
March 09 2014 14:11 GMT
#1651
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lolking da bes
@miicah88
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
March 09 2014 14:52 GMT
#1652
On March 09 2014 20:55 IMoperator wrote:
do you evolve e or q first on kha jungle?

MAX Q then W, BUT evolve E at lvl 11
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
March 09 2014 15:10 GMT
#1653
i was under the impression what you evolve is more situational, the extra range and reset on E will help you gank and unlock your ability to tower dive while evolving Q will help a ton with early dragons.
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
March 09 2014 15:28 GMT
#1654
Yeah I guess what you evolve is optional.....but I think most go Q for the damage but it depends yeah
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 09 2014 15:53 GMT
#1655
On March 09 2014 18:26 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 04:49 TheYango wrote:
The problem with this Lee Sin (and also Elise) stuff is that it feels like Riot doesn't feel like they properly assessed the impact of the Wight camp.

You put a camp in the game that is positioned in such a way that is safe and hard to counter-jungle, and cannot be farmed efficiently by traditional farming AoE junglers--while comparatively being easy to farm by single-target jungles (preferably with executes) that were ALREADY strong gankers--of course you shift the balance of power heavily towards junglers that can properly deal with that camp and push a lot of junglers who can't deal with that camp effectively out of the way.

Kha'zix jungle also grew out of this.

But having a Wight camp allows non AoE power farming non traditional junglers be viable again! Maokai, Amumu, Nautilus, etc are all way too strong and with the Wight camp we're seeing a lot more jungle Tryndamere and Gangplank.

I think Riot did a great job with the Season 4 jungle changes.

Doesn't need the Wight: redirecting HP from small monsters to big ons gave a huge hit to Maokai and Nautilus' clear times (Amumu is still 0K).
Not being able to gank at level 2 hurts Maokai, falling behind by ganking compared to a farming jungler is very possible and despite Yango's issues with the enhanced exp from the jungle when behind, gold bounties aren't affected so the fact that Maokai and Nautilus farm camps very slowly makes them remain behind item-wise if you ever fuck up (and Nautilus is utter trash when behind: he's rather bad/situational late game, and being behind is like hitting late game earlier for him).

Nautilus was already bad at the end of season 3 after his shield damage nerf. Probably still usable competitively depending on comps, but it made him more of a liability in soloQ with a very small timing window (weak early, falls off hard as soon as midgame hits) unless he snowballs.

Having the buff monsters get massive amounts of HP means that even if you get a big leash on your first buff, the 2nd one will take you very long to kill (and costs you HP; even more so for Nautilus who's basically on a timer: if you can't kill a camp before your shield runs out, you can add ~10s to the time it'll take to kill it); So even though you may have good ganking kits, compare to fast clearing/single-target junglers you won't even be in position to gank/countergank because of how slow you are.

Finally, not having everyone run Shyvana, Kha'Zix or Udyr and being able to outduel you/outscale you after power farming the jungle means that Lee Sin, Elise, etc. have a lot less pressure on them to get an advantage rolling into the midgame, and their popularity/viability in the jungle tends to single-handedly invalidate weak early/poor dueling junglers (Maokai, Nautilus, Rammus, Fiddlesticks, etc. Amumu can go by as long as he gets his blue, Nautilus needs level 3 (ideally 4 even) and straight-up dies if you go and see him, Maokai can survive an invade but will still be boned from the time and camps lost).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 09 2014 15:53 GMT
#1656
You done got trolled, Alaric.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 09 2014 16:10 GMT
#1657
Yeah I just skimmed through it so I missed the part mentioning GP and Tryndamere. Wouldn't have posted that had I read it. I guess I'm still tired, but I slept 8 hours, how much must I rest. ;_;
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
March 09 2014 16:21 GMT
#1658
For the people playing Kha in the jungle, how much do you think this patch's changes hurt his clear and overall viability? I haven't played him since the patch yet (for some reason Elise hasn't been banned very much recently for me) and am interested to see if he's still bonkers OP.
Call me Sunday
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 09 2014 16:25 GMT
#1659
On March 10 2014 01:21 InfSunday wrote:
For the people playing Kha in the jungle, how much do you think this patch's changes hurt his clear and overall viability? I haven't played him since the patch yet (for some reason Elise hasn't been banned very much recently for me) and am interested to see if he's still bonkers OP.

he's still alright, but resets don't mean as much anymore, its a more of a positioning tool now than a damage oriented ability.
liftlift > tsm
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
March 09 2014 16:39 GMT
#1660
On March 10 2014 01:21 InfSunday wrote:
For the people playing Kha in the jungle, how much do you think this patch's changes hurt his clear and overall viability? I haven't played him since the patch yet (for some reason Elise hasn't been banned very much recently for me) and am interested to see if he's still bonkers OP.

Exactly the same, haven't felt the nerfs at all.
Max Q evolve E first in the jungle imo
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
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