EPTI don't know. Yasuo, Lucian, Zac, Thresh, Vi, Zed, Elise, Kha'zix, rengar, diana, zyra, jayce and darius might want to have a word about that.
All of those have ranged from top tier pick to blatantly broken on release
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
I don't know. Yasuo, Lucian, Zac, Thresh, Vi, Zed, Elise, Kha'zix, rengar, diana, zyra, jayce and darius might want to have a word about that. All of those have ranged from top tier pick to blatantly broken on release | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4120 Posts
On February 27 2014 23:56 Badboyrune wrote: I don't know. Yasuo, Lucian, Zac, Thresh, Vi, Zed, Elise, Kha'zix, rengar, diana, zyra, jayce and darius might want to have a word about that. All of those have ranged from top tier pick to blatantly broken on release Lucian is out of the list imo, he was considered pretty weak when he came up, some considered it the weakest adc:-)) | ||
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LilCiggy
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M2
Bulgaria4120 Posts
On February 28 2014 00:01 LilCiggy wrote: Yeah, I suppose so now that I think about it. Advantages singed would have would be that his slow is 75% compared to volis 50% (at maxed ranks) and also isn't something he needs to be in range for (1000 cast range). But yeah I kinda of forgot about voli. Singed engage is too slow, easy to avoid for a duo. Damage takes too long for a bot lane to be effective, usually u want burst there or constant poke/harass to be effective. What will normally happen if you manage to engage at all is that the enemy support will deal the damage faster to your adc ,he'll die and they'll walk away leaving singed running around in a circle  ) | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On February 27 2014 23:59 Ketara wrote: Lucian was definitely not top tier on release. He got buffed twice. That's my bad then, I don't think I played very much around when Lucian was released. I think the point still stands though. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
It's the damage type of whatever the attack was. It doesn't display its own damage number, it adds to the attacks. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
If you find yourself snowballing and want to go full-on damage, though, Triforce is stronger because at this point you'll be in the midgame where Vi's damage is frontloaded and burst-oriented. It only switches to dps later on, when stats from items and levels (and the reduced level disparity, eg. when snowballing early you can somewhat easily find yourself 3 levels above the enemy botlane, 13 -> 10 is way bigger than 17 -> 16) make it less likely for her to deal more than half a squishy's health in initial burst damage. For the same reason the armour threshold where LW outperforms BC in spite of the 10 flat ArPen is probably rather low too. It's just that the difference isn't necesarily worth losing the ability to increase the rest of your team's damage output anymore at this point. | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
BC/Triforce are both good items are her, but Triforce is absolutely the way to go if you get fed early. With Elder Lizard and Triforce she will 100-0 a squishy for a large part of the game, and Triforce means her sustained damage is quite high as well in smaller skirmishes. It absolutely SUCKS playing against a fed Triforce Vi since you know she'll use a 1500 range gap closer while ignoring cc to immediately kill you. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On February 28 2014 01:06 onlywonderboy wrote: Dota is getting a Fantasy League instituted by Valve and I'm incredibly jealous. Your guide to fantasy LCS Step 1: Put cop on your team Step 2: He never dies so you win G_G If you're going for the cool kids fantasy league of trying to get the worst score possible I highly suggest this set up: Top: Cruzer Jungle: Nintendude Mid: Moopz ADC: Tabzz Support: Nyph Anti-team; Dyrus/Meteos/Bjergsen | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
If you do get it though your defensive itemisation will be quite delayed, hence if you miss the timing where you're able to wreck anyway 1v1 (or even more) and ride your level advantage to survive initiating fights as a glass cannon, you may end upin a rough spot (I've seen a Vi get a small/moderate lead, get triforce, wreck us when she gets it but the team pulled it together, stalled a bit while trying to get outer towers to close the gap, and once we had the levels/items to not get assasinated by Vi her excess confidence bit her in the ass). It's true that in your typical game you'll most likely go for Elder Lizard -> Brutaliser then tanky if you're snowballing and planning on building damage, just because of the cost-effectiveness and smooth build paths, which means you'll end up completing your BC at some point down the line when you're tanky enough. The low cost also means that you can easily go for it even when you're not huge, as long as you've got some kills/assists/early drake/etc. under your belt early on. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On February 28 2014 01:40 cLutZ wrote: I think your team is missing XDG. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On February 28 2014 01:40 cLutZ wrote: I think your team is missing the XDG botlane. The problem is xmithie tends to do mediocre and not really die, tabzz on the other hand uncontrollably feeds in most alliance matches which makes him more valuable. On the other hand with zoonie/sheep it is possible that they will find a way to die more than tabzz/nyph I'll have to wait until this week. Xpeke/mancloud may be more suitable replacements for moopz but you run the risk of them actually playing well again and getting an absurd score, moopz is just mediocre in SHC wins and gets rekt in SHC losses so he's a safter choice for minimising points | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
On February 28 2014 01:04 Sandster wrote: Vi doesn't proc sheen? What?? She's got a double gap closer and a double auto reset, all of which proc sheen. Her full damage combo is Q/R -> auto -> E reset auto -> Q/R -> auto -> E reset auto. What more can you ask for? BC/Triforce are both good items are her, but Triforce is absolutely the way to go if you get fed early. With Elder Lizard and Triforce she will 100-0 a squishy for a large part of the game, and Triforce means her sustained damage is quite high as well in smaller skirmishes. It absolutely SUCKS playing against a fed Triforce Vi since you know she'll use a 1500 range gap closer while ignoring cc to immediately kill you. Yes it is a lot of damage if she does it optimally and gets all 4 sheen procs off, but that also requires good timing and waiting for the cool downs on sheen which makes it less bursty. Her sustained ability to use sheen is lacking compared to champs that have Triforce as their core like Jax. Maybe I will do some math on this later, but Triforce is just so expensive and provides such little tankiness/AD and no CDR, I would rather just get a Brutalizer and a Giants Belt + Wardens Mail instead. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On February 28 2014 01:44 YouGotNothin wrote: Yes it is a lot of damage if she does it optimally and gets all 4 sheen procs off, but that also requires good timing and waiting for the cool downs on sheen which makes it less bursty. Her sustained ability to use sheen is lacking compared to champs that have Triforce as their core like Jax. Maybe I will do some math on this later, but Triforce is just so expensive and provides such little tankiness/AD and no CDR, I would rather just get a Brutalizer and a Giants Belt + Wardens Mail instead. Confirmed. TriForce Vi Best Vi | ||
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