If you main Ori you can go so far. You can reach for the skies and never have to worry about a nerf or the metagame because she strong independent lady forever.

Well until Riot wants to nerf athenes I guess, ori herself likely won't see changes one way or the other

YouGotNothin

United States907 Posts

March 06 2014 15:32 GMT

#1226

I've been playing Vlad some recently after seeing VoyBoy play him in the LCS to much success. I have really been liking a Haunting Guise (or Revolver if I need tons of sustain) -> Rylai's -> Liandries build on him. However most of the guides (likely outdated) I have been reading seem to recommend Deathcap -> Zhonyas. Zhonyas early seems a tad overkill on a champ that is ranged and already has an untargetable ability. Any suggestions TL?

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

March 06 2014 15:38 GMT

#1227

On March 07 2014 00:32 YouGotNothin wrote:
I've been playing Vlad some recently after seeing VoyBoy play him in the LCS to much success. I have really been liking a Haunting Guise (or Revolver if I need tons of sustain) -> Rylai's -> Liandries build on him. However most of the guides (likely outdated) I have been reading seem to recommend Deathcap -> Zhonyas. Zhonyas early seems a tad overkill on a champ that is ranged and already has an untargetable ability. Any suggestions TL?

Besides the obvious, depends on match up.

Top or mid, and what league level?

aurawashere

Canada454 Posts

March 06 2014 15:51 GMT

#1228

zhonyas turns vlad into a god, popping zhonyas at a good time lets vlad get another cycle of spells off+potentially another pool

Schnake

Germany2819 Posts

March 06 2014 15:54 GMT

#1229

On March 06 2014 22:11 Doctorbeat wrote:
Anybody on EUW wanna trade a mystery champ/skin?

I need to do one to get my RP to 0.

I'd be up for a mystery skin.

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

March 06 2014 16:22 GMT

#1230

Orianna is like the best designed champion ever. It's fun, interactive with your teammates, well-rounded and unique.

Serious post time: brief Skarner early game analysis
Skarner's first clear is one of the fastest, with only significant champion who slightly outspeeds him being Evelynn. Significantly faster than the latest AD caster junglers, including Kha'Zix. Skarner loses moderate amount of his hp early in the jungle. His fighting strength in the first and subsequent clears I would judge to be somewhere in the middle, despite his damage output, due to lack of reposition. Skarner's offensive capabilites both in the enemy jungle and lanes are pathetic to zero in the early game, due to lack of necessary CC. Because of lack of CC or jumps, early counterganks are likely to be ineffective as well, making Skarner a jungler with perhaps the lowest earlygame presence possible.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

March 06 2014 16:28 GMT

#1231

I played a game with Skarner during drinking game night. Granted it was a silly game and I was building AP, but overall I dislike his new kit. Having to "stack" his AS with Q just feels annoying, and while the slow on his E feels nice, overall I'd rather have the perma-slow sticking power.

Omnishroud

1073 Posts

March 06 2014 17:12 GMT

#1232

Recently ive just stopped caring about what lane im playing, idk what it is. If im bottom 2 picks i'll just inform people i suck shit at ADC and pref not to but other then that i just pick whatevers available.

I mean its not raising my winrate or anything because fuck trolls but at least im more relaxed about it :D

Also annie support literally wrecks shit. She just becomes a pseudo carry after "early mid" game and starts dueling people lol, amount of times people have thought "oh its just their support" TIBBERS BITCH "You have slain an enemy".

DrunkenOne

United States302 Posts

March 06 2014 17:29 GMT

#1233

Re: GP this season, he's still "viable" but has a lot of bad matchups where all he can do is passively farm since you run out of mana harassing or healing against all the stupid manaless supertanks. You pretty much have to hope to either cheese them at level 1, or hope they engage or badly position themselves at lvl 2/3 and you can win an all in thanks to LOL base stats and passive. Getting 1st blood at lvl 1-3 and coming back to lane with an extra d sword vs someone means you can usually bully them forever. I built tankier in s3, usually playing as koreaplank running something like 1/22/7, but I've been building damage heavy early on in s4, usually doing something like 21/9 and rushing a hydra for waveclear and sustain. Sure you have oranges for sustain but you run oom so fast. An auto Q auto hydra active wrecks people even with armor. Shiv works ok for waveclear except with a shiv your all in is much worse than a hydra and you basically poke poke poke poke, and you have no sustain. Plus the build path for a shiv is terrible since avarice gives you nothing and zeal is kind of meh as a first item. I also usually buy 1-2 mana pots every recall to keep the harass up.

With the d-shield nerf I would guess its easier to harass down for an early all in, but if they start cloth +5 you are probably screwed. It also helps that no one has any idea how to play against GP, at least in gold where I am, and they start d sword and think they can bully you early.

YouGotNothin

United States907 Posts

March 06 2014 18:09 GMT

#1234

On March 07 2014 00:38 Jek wrote:

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Besides the obvious, depends on match up.

Top or mid, and what league level?

Besides the obvious what? Top or mid, do his core items change that much depending on the lane? I figure revolver is better if you need sustain which is more likely top, but besides that what else changes. Also, I don't see what my league has to do with how to best build vlad. I am Silver I for what its worth though.

I know item builds depend on matchup, but most champs have a 2-3 item core they rely on and then deviate from there depending on match ups, game flow, etc. I was wondering what Vlad's core is, I feel Rylai's/Liandries is good but guides I have read say Deathcap/Zhonyas is core.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

March 06 2014 18:14 GMT

#1235

I've had a weird bug in the past few games where I can't see any of the chat in champ select, including my own. I can see the picks and bans fine and once the game starts it's fine.

Anybody else been experiencing this?

Alaric

France45622 Posts

March 06 2014 18:18 GMT

#1236

It's when the chat server itself is borked from what I've seen. Can you still go on channels and see your friendlist and stuff?

Yezzus

United States2318 Posts

March 06 2014 18:18 GMT

#1237

On March 07 2014 03:09 YouGotNothin wrote:

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Hourglass is deff a core . With is nice too for the CD-r spell vamp.... My endgame build is usually wota/rylias/hg/CD-R boots /spirit visage/ and eighter deathcap /void staff/ or liandrys depending on the game with 9/21 master it's top...,.. I find him awful mid

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

March 06 2014 18:32 GMT

#1238

Zhonya's is core but you rarely get chance to rush it. Usually I find myself getting it as 3rd item at earliest.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

March 06 2014 18:40 GMT

#1239

To be honest I'm not 100% sure revolver is core on Vlad anymore

I haven't played him in a while but with Cowl out now you kinda need Haunting Guise asap and a revolver is a huge waste of gold for sustain when you could be building penetration. Thoughts?

YouGotNothin

United States907 Posts

March 06 2014 18:43 GMT

#1240

I agree that revolver isn't necessary, Q provides decent sustain on its own. However against some high-sustain opponents it may help especially if you get behind.

Edit: Also can someone explain why Vlad is considered bad mid? Voyboy ran him mid in the LCS and did fine with it.