EPT[Patch 4.3] Vel'Koz General Discussion - Page 59
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IMoperator
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57 Corvette
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 06 2014 11:54 arb wrote: do you have alternative word to describe item powerspike?for some reason the word "timing" in league annoys me. keep trying to relate it to starcraft and its making me cringe On March 06 2014 13:18 57 Corvette wrote: I think I'm just gonna main jungle until this whole "GRAGAS OP BANBANBAN" phase passes. Not consistent enough with other midlaners. Ahri is pretty fun and does alright against fotm midlaners. Though her midgame and lategame is all based on landing charm. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:18 wei2coolman wrote: do you have alternative word to describe item powerspike? yes, it's called shopping. LoL champions powercurves are homogenised, you only get stronger by leveling up or going to shop. Also every game is different, so aside from junglers hitting lvl 3 and getting doublebuff there is no such thing as set timings. (and even then some sick fucks gank at level 2 so we don't even have that) | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:32 SagaZ wrote: yes, it's called shopping. LoL champions powercurves are homogenised, you only get stronger by leveling up or going to shop. Also every game is different, so aside from junglers hitting lvl 3 and getting doublebuff there is no such thing as set timings. (and even then some sick fucks gank at level 2 so we don't even have that) So in SC2 you call "timing" "making units"? To be honest I don't even know why that is supposed to be a term in the first place, it's an actual word. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:18 wei2coolman wrote: Ahri is pretty fun and does alright against fotm midlaners. Though her midgame and lategame is all based on landing charm. Excluding gragas, I am pretty bad at the mobile assassin type of mid. Can't play Ahri/Kass/LB/Khaz to save my life. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:33 Shikyo wrote: So in SC2 you call "timing" "making units"? To be honest I don't even know why that is supposed to be a term in the first place, it's an actual word. i have no clue what you do in sc2. but in bw, every build order and match ups had a series of known timings. they were called timings because they happened every game at the same time (+/- 10 secs) and were deadly if you didn't scout them in advance | ||
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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:34 57 Corvette wrote: Excluding gragas, I am pretty bad at the mobile assassin type of mid. Can't play Ahri/Kass/LB/Khaz to save my life. If you main Ori you can go so far. You can reach for the skies and never have to worry about a nerf or the metagame because she strong independent lady forever. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:33 Shikyo wrote: So in SC2 you call "timing" "making units"? To be honest I don't even know why that is supposed to be a term in the first place, it's an actual word. Timing in SC2 is more directed towards timing attacks etc. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:37 SagaZ wrote: i have no clue what you do in sc2. but in bw, every build order and match ups had a series of known timings. they were called timings because they happened every game at the same time (+/- 10 secs) and were deadly if you didn't scout them in advance a good raw(brown boots at most) RoA timing is 12 min, we went over this already? | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:39 Slusher wrote: a good raw(brown boots at most) RoA timing is 12 min, we went over this already? but that doesn't mean anything, the guy cs'd well during 12 minutes and got XXX amount of money and went back to shop, opponent probably did the same and bough different items, the guy with the roa should not be stronger or weaker, no1 cares that he got his roa at 12 minutes cause it has no real impact on the game. It is not a timing, no1 is thinking oh shit, we're nearing the 12 minute mark, gotta get ready for that roa mid. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:32 SagaZ wrote: yes, it's called shopping. LoL champions powercurves are homogenised, you only get stronger by leveling up or going to shop. Also every game is different, so aside from junglers hitting lvl 3 and getting doublebuff there is no such thing as set timings. (and even then some sick fucks gank at level 2 so we don't even have that) No. Specific champions get so much more off certain item timings. For example vayne with botrk first item, gets so much more with it compared to any other adc's 1st item timing. Yasuo with ie+shiv, jax with triforce+botrk+ga, etc etc. Though I definitely agree that lot of fotm champs have good item timings throughout. On March 06 2014 13:44 SagaZ wrote: but that doesn't mean anything, the guy cs'd well during 12 minutes and got XXX amount of money and went back to shop, opponent probably did the same and bough different items, the guy with the roa should not be stronger or weaker, no1 cares that he got his roa at 12 minutes cause it has no real impact on the game. It is not a timing, no1 is thinking oh shit, we're nearing the 12 minute mark, gotta get ready for that roa mid. It does matter, because champs like karthus can start dueling with RoA. Even if the enemy champion has their item timing. Similar to how vayne prebotrk sucks, but post botrk can 1v1 almost anyone despite being equal item gold.. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:32 SagaZ wrote: yes, it's called shopping. LoL champions powercurves are homogenised, you only get stronger by leveling up or going to shop. Also every game is different, so aside from junglers hitting lvl 3 and getting doublebuff there is no such thing as set timings. (and even then some sick fucks gank at level 2 so we don't even have that) basically this. why i think the word is retarded. id rather see powerspike 500 times before id wanna see timing once | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:51 arb wrote: basically this. why i think the word is retarded. id rather see powerspike 500 times before id wanna see timing once Sounds more like an arbitrary hipster complaint than anything else. Timings definitely happens in LoL, eg. look at comp timings, fast push comps vs pick comps etc. Same applies to lane specific matchups, and stuff. Even in BW/SC2, timings aren't strict, they're relative power spikes. The only reason audience constantly sees these timings at specific times is because in BW/SC2 those players often go undisturbed in their builds to hit certain times. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
It is simply a power spike I guess? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 06 2014 14:06 SagaZ wrote: What I understand is that when a champion goes back to base to buy his first full item, you call that "first item timing" because since it is a big item and assuming it synergies well with his kit gives the champion a boost in power. Of course fully knowing that the "timing" of that purchase is different every game. What is weird for me is that it is devoid of the time aspect of the word since the moment you get enough money to buy and the moment you are free to go buy it are so different in every game. It is simply a power spike I guess? I don't get your complaint? 4gate timing is going to be different if he's hit by an enemy timing earlier than his. Your point? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:34 57 Corvette wrote: Excluding gragas, I am pretty bad at the mobile assassin type of mid. Can't play Ahri/Kass/LB/Khaz to save my life. Play Luxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On March 06 2014 13:44 SagaZ wrote: but that doesn't mean anything, the guy cs'd well during 12 minutes and got XXX amount of money and went back to shop, opponent probably did the same and bough different items, the guy with the roa should not be stronger or weaker, no1 cares that he got his roa at 12 minutes cause it has no real impact on the game. It is not a timing, no1 is thinking oh shit, we're nearing the 12 minute mark, gotta get ready for that roa mid. But the guy with the ROA (assuming it's a key item for the champion) IS stronger, and significantly enough that the moment and speed (12 minutes considered standard in this case) with which he obtains that ROA is considered a timing... You state that the opponent also went and bought items, and that neither should be more powerful, but that's an incorrect statement... Their timing may come later, after 2, or 3, or 4 items. Take Orianna, for example. A key timing for her is her first AP purchase after Athenes + Sorc boots. The moment you purchase that NLR or Blasting Wand, you will notice a spike in power. THAT is a timing... It's much later than 12 minutes, and yet still it's a key timing to be aware of both as an Orianna player, and as her opponent. Some champion have 1-item timings (Vayne for instance, finishing her BorK, or Fizz finishing Lich Bane). Other champions have 2-item timings, most ADCs have a 4-item timing after finishing BT+Greaves+Zeal+LW. These are ALL timings, and I don't understand what the issue is that you're having with understanding the term. | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On March 06 2014 14:11 wei2coolman wrote: I don't get your complaint? 4gate timing is going to be different if he's hit by an enemy timing earlier than his. Your point? It's only a timing for the first player to hit theirs without being harrassed, I think. | ||
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