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Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 05 2014 04:50 GMT
#1021
On March 05 2014 13:49 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 13:34 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:32 sylverfyre wrote:
On March 05 2014 12:56 Goumindong wrote:
Always kill damage first. Then go for the tank.

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Which is also an absolute.

Seriously who wrote this?


A Sith?


Unlimited POWAH
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 05 2014 05:02 GMT
#1022
On March 05 2014 13:50 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 13:49 iCanada wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:34 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:32 sylverfyre wrote:
On March 05 2014 12:56 Goumindong wrote:
Always kill damage first. Then go for the tank.

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Which is also an absolute.

Seriously who wrote this?


A Sith?


Unlimited POWAH

Obi Wan confirmed sith.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35152 Posts
March 05 2014 05:19 GMT
#1023
On March 05 2014 14:02 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 13:50 Disengaged wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:49 iCanada wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:34 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:32 sylverfyre wrote:
On March 05 2014 12:56 Goumindong wrote:
Always kill damage first. Then go for the tank.

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Which is also an absolute.

Seriously who wrote this?


A Sith?


Unlimited POWAH

Obi Wan confirmed sith.

Bad Writers further confirmed Sith.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 05:32:34
March 05 2014 05:30 GMT
#1024
On March 05 2014 14:19 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 14:02 obesechicken13 wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:50 Disengaged wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:49 iCanada wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:34 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:32 sylverfyre wrote:
On March 05 2014 12:56 Goumindong wrote:
Always kill damage first. Then go for the tank.

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Which is also an absolute.

Seriously who wrote this?


A Sith?


Unlimited POWAH

Obi Wan confirmed sith.

Bad Writers further confirmed Sith.

I know I saw an explanation of why it actually makes sense but I can't seem to find it...
Edit: Found it
+ Show Spoiler +
It doesn't mean that the Jedi don't see things in absolutes. The Jedi don't DEAL in absolutes.

What Obi-Wan here is saying, basically, is that the Sith adopt a "My way or the highway attitude" whereas the Jedi always see another way.

Obviously, Obi-Wan is a Jedi. That's an absolute statement. Hell, "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" is an absolute statement in and of itself.

It's the deal part that should be emphasized here.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 05:32:34
March 05 2014 05:32 GMT
#1025
The thing about Rengar is the nerf only hit the full tank into trinity build that pros were using, it did literally nothing to the solo q assassin build which has been really solid since s4 started (possibly before that)

the wriggle buff (if what goes live ends up being good) should be a huge boon to him too, since he gets so little out of the lizard elder (imo) but passing on the gold gen can hurt you.
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35152 Posts
March 05 2014 05:41 GMT
#1026
On March 05 2014 14:32 Slusher wrote:
The thing about Rengar is the nerf only hit the full tank into trinity build that pros were using, it did literally nothing to the solo q assassin build which has been really solid since s4 started (possibly before that)

the wriggle buff (if what goes live ends up being good) should be a huge boon to him too, since he gets so little out of the lizard elder (imo) but passing on the gold gen can hurt you.

Wriggles has gold gen, it's just different.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
March 05 2014 05:49 GMT
#1027
On March 05 2014 14:32 Slusher wrote:
The thing about Rengar is the nerf only hit the full tank into trinity build that pros were using, it did literally nothing to the solo q assassin build which has been really solid since s4 started (possibly before that)

the wriggle buff (if what goes live ends up being good) should be a huge boon to him too, since he gets so little out of the lizard elder (imo) but passing on the gold gen can hurt you.

wait why does he get little out of elder lizard? I've been buying it every game but I honestly never really thought about it
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 05 2014 06:56 GMT
#1028
On March 05 2014 14:49 SagaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 14:32 Slusher wrote:
The thing about Rengar is the nerf only hit the full tank into trinity build that pros were using, it did literally nothing to the solo q assassin build which has been really solid since s4 started (possibly before that)

the wriggle buff (if what goes live ends up being good) should be a huge boon to him too, since he gets so little out of the lizard elder (imo) but passing on the gold gen can hurt you.

wait why does he get little out of elder lizard? I've been buying it every game but I honestly never really thought about it

The burn only applies to physical damage now, instead of any damage as before. Vi and Pantheon apply it in AoE with their E which is pretty fun.
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
March 05 2014 07:04 GMT
#1029
How do u even play Rengar jungle now? His jungling clearing is so slow if you ask me and you lose so much health you cant even think of ganking pre 6, even if you have an opportunity. And then you spend so much cash on potions its not even funny. He had the same problem before the nerf, but then at least you could have rely on orange W for sustain and get relevant earlier, now you just buy a lot of potions and you are afraid of everything early game.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
March 05 2014 08:21 GMT
#1030
I don't get it. I do well, my team loses terribly because other lanes feed super hard. I do poorly, my team wins super hard because other lanes dominate.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 05 2014 08:45 GMT
#1031
theres many reasons for that

1. you are higher mmr player playing their lower mmr (as a result other laners suffer)

2. you got camped/your jungler camps for you and as a result you bad/good but other lanes do good/bad

etc.
I come in for the scraps
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
March 05 2014 10:10 GMT
#1032
Just saw a red post saying that there is a LeeSin "retune" in the pipeline that shifts power from his early game to late. More homogenisation? http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=45578576#45578576
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 05 2014 10:27 GMT
#1033
On March 05 2014 19:10 JazzVortical wrote:
Just saw a red post saying that there is a LeeSin "retune" in the pipeline that shifts power from his early game to late. More homogenisation? http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=45578576#45578576

Honestly, I'm fine with leesin. Early game he's a very strong duelist/ganker/lane defender(has a very strong allin for a 2v2 situation even with jungle items). Midgame he's a playmaker. Lategame he still brings some useful stuff to a teamfight simply because of his kit.

Shifting his power towards the lategame honestly is just a disappointing waste of resources. So many problems with the game and you want to make everybody linearly powerful. Teamcomps can be built entirely around champions with non-linear powercurves. That makes drafting more interesting than just counterpicks and shit.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
March 05 2014 12:25 GMT
#1034
Remember when they tried to make Garen more 'late game'? I'd argue that was a nerf. Will be really sad if they wreck lee, will also make a lot of people further question their balancing.
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
March 05 2014 12:32 GMT
#1035
Why are they trying to change a champion that is completely fine? Healthy pick rate at all levels of play, no ridiculous win rate, not instant pick/ban, high skill ceiling but playable by all. I mean what the fuck is wrong with him for them to think "oh yeah lets change him"
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 05 2014 12:57 GMT
#1036
its funny they still change the most random shit ever and renekton still is renekton after forever and a half
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
March 05 2014 13:19 GMT
#1037
Riot has such a hard on for high skill cap champs like Elise and lee but Press the easy button junglers like panth and wu are ignored.
Moar banelings less qq
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 13:33:22
March 05 2014 13:32 GMT
#1038
On March 05 2014 21:25 schmutttt wrote:
Remember when they tried to make Garen more 'late game'? I'd argue that was a nerf. Will be really sad if they wreck lee, will also make a lot of people further question their balancing.


and then they had to nerf him because his W was way too powerful lategame with the old tank items
garen has been meh early game for quite some time now
his mid/late game is surprisingly decent
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 14:07:04
March 05 2014 14:04 GMT
#1039
I thought that by virtue of scaling off of enemy HP% Garen's ult would be super good on tanks lategame.
Against a 3k health 100 MR target (possible, it's more or less a bruiser with Sunfire+Tabi+about to finish Visage) at level 16, he needs them to drop to 24% remaining HP to kill them. Not that bad, you'd think.

I ran the numbers against a level 16 dragon form Shyvana, with Sunfire, Mercs and SV a defensive itemisation, 21 in defense (5% bonus armour/MR, 36 flat + 3% more HP, flat amour rather than MR, and +10 MR from nearby enemy champions) which makes 186 MR + 2926 HP.
He needs her to drop to 537 HP (18% of her total health) to be able to finish her off. And I forgot to add MR glyphs in calculations (and it's even harder if she builds Randuin's or something and gets level 18).

Darius and Cho'Gath actually execute tanks better than him, on top of 100-0 squishies just as well too. Welp.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 14:07:59
March 05 2014 14:06 GMT
#1040
if shyvana is going spirit visage you dont use ult on her, you only ult tanks with high hp/armour, otherwise let the adcs deal with em
tanks dont have THAT much more hp than squishies anyway, you'd better use it on squishies

chogath and darius cant close gap and arent as tanky as garen, chogath can compare but he's so easy to hit because of how slow he is he's almost a caster type teamfighter where he stays back and tries to land skills before going in

the numbers of a renek going sunfire randuins hydra with lvl 16 ult would be much more favourable, shyvana gets tons of mr and nobody would get SV on shyvaan over banshees now not that it affects anything
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