• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:27
CEST 09:27
KST 16:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview3[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10
Community News
Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced9
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
Do we have a pimpest plays list? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ (Spoiler) Asl ro8 D winner interview BW General Discussion AI Question
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Daigo vs Menard Best of 10
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1474 users

[Patch 4.3] Vel'Koz General Discussion - Page 52

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 50 51 52 53 54 133 Next
EU LCS Week 8 Review
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 05 2014 04:50 GMT
#1021
On March 05 2014 13:49 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 13:34 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:32 sylverfyre wrote:
On March 05 2014 12:56 Goumindong wrote:
Always kill damage first. Then go for the tank.

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Which is also an absolute.

Seriously who wrote this?


A Sith?


Unlimited POWAH
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 05 2014 05:02 GMT
#1022
On March 05 2014 13:50 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 13:49 iCanada wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:34 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:32 sylverfyre wrote:
On March 05 2014 12:56 Goumindong wrote:
Always kill damage first. Then go for the tank.

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Which is also an absolute.

Seriously who wrote this?


A Sith?


Unlimited POWAH

Obi Wan confirmed sith.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 05 2014 05:19 GMT
#1023
On March 05 2014 14:02 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 13:50 Disengaged wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:49 iCanada wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:34 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:32 sylverfyre wrote:
On March 05 2014 12:56 Goumindong wrote:
Always kill damage first. Then go for the tank.

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Which is also an absolute.

Seriously who wrote this?


A Sith?


Unlimited POWAH

Obi Wan confirmed sith.

Bad Writers further confirmed Sith.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 05:32:34
March 05 2014 05:30 GMT
#1024
On March 05 2014 14:19 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 14:02 obesechicken13 wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:50 Disengaged wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:49 iCanada wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:34 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On March 05 2014 13:32 sylverfyre wrote:
On March 05 2014 12:56 Goumindong wrote:
Always kill damage first. Then go for the tank.

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Which is also an absolute.

Seriously who wrote this?


A Sith?


Unlimited POWAH

Obi Wan confirmed sith.

Bad Writers further confirmed Sith.

I know I saw an explanation of why it actually makes sense but I can't seem to find it...
Edit: Found it
+ Show Spoiler +
It doesn't mean that the Jedi don't see things in absolutes. The Jedi don't DEAL in absolutes.

What Obi-Wan here is saying, basically, is that the Sith adopt a "My way or the highway attitude" whereas the Jedi always see another way.

Obviously, Obi-Wan is a Jedi. That's an absolute statement. Hell, "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" is an absolute statement in and of itself.

It's the deal part that should be emphasized here.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 05:32:34
March 05 2014 05:32 GMT
#1025
The thing about Rengar is the nerf only hit the full tank into trinity build that pros were using, it did literally nothing to the solo q assassin build which has been really solid since s4 started (possibly before that)

the wriggle buff (if what goes live ends up being good) should be a huge boon to him too, since he gets so little out of the lizard elder (imo) but passing on the gold gen can hurt you.
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 05 2014 05:41 GMT
#1026
On March 05 2014 14:32 Slusher wrote:
The thing about Rengar is the nerf only hit the full tank into trinity build that pros were using, it did literally nothing to the solo q assassin build which has been really solid since s4 started (possibly before that)

the wriggle buff (if what goes live ends up being good) should be a huge boon to him too, since he gets so little out of the lizard elder (imo) but passing on the gold gen can hurt you.

Wriggles has gold gen, it's just different.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
March 05 2014 05:49 GMT
#1027
On March 05 2014 14:32 Slusher wrote:
The thing about Rengar is the nerf only hit the full tank into trinity build that pros were using, it did literally nothing to the solo q assassin build which has been really solid since s4 started (possibly before that)

the wriggle buff (if what goes live ends up being good) should be a huge boon to him too, since he gets so little out of the lizard elder (imo) but passing on the gold gen can hurt you.

wait why does he get little out of elder lizard? I've been buying it every game but I honestly never really thought about it
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 05 2014 06:56 GMT
#1028
On March 05 2014 14:49 SagaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 14:32 Slusher wrote:
The thing about Rengar is the nerf only hit the full tank into trinity build that pros were using, it did literally nothing to the solo q assassin build which has been really solid since s4 started (possibly before that)

the wriggle buff (if what goes live ends up being good) should be a huge boon to him too, since he gets so little out of the lizard elder (imo) but passing on the gold gen can hurt you.

wait why does he get little out of elder lizard? I've been buying it every game but I honestly never really thought about it

The burn only applies to physical damage now, instead of any damage as before. Vi and Pantheon apply it in AoE with their E which is pretty fun.
Administrator@TL_Zess
| (• ◡•)|八 (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4163 Posts
March 05 2014 07:04 GMT
#1029
How do u even play Rengar jungle now? His jungling clearing is so slow if you ask me and you lose so much health you cant even think of ganking pre 6, even if you have an opportunity. And then you spend so much cash on potions its not even funny. He had the same problem before the nerf, but then at least you could have rely on orange W for sustain and get relevant earlier, now you just buy a lot of potions and you are afraid of everything early game.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
March 05 2014 08:21 GMT
#1030
I don't get it. I do well, my team loses terribly because other lanes feed super hard. I do poorly, my team wins super hard because other lanes dominate.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 05 2014 08:45 GMT
#1031
theres many reasons for that

1. you are higher mmr player playing their lower mmr (as a result other laners suffer)

2. you got camped/your jungler camps for you and as a result you bad/good but other lanes do good/bad

etc.
I come in for the scraps
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
March 05 2014 10:10 GMT
#1032
Just saw a red post saying that there is a LeeSin "retune" in the pipeline that shifts power from his early game to late. More homogenisation? http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=45578576#45578576
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 05 2014 10:27 GMT
#1033
On March 05 2014 19:10 JazzVortical wrote:
Just saw a red post saying that there is a LeeSin "retune" in the pipeline that shifts power from his early game to late. More homogenisation? http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=45578576#45578576

Honestly, I'm fine with leesin. Early game he's a very strong duelist/ganker/lane defender(has a very strong allin for a 2v2 situation even with jungle items). Midgame he's a playmaker. Lategame he still brings some useful stuff to a teamfight simply because of his kit.

Shifting his power towards the lategame honestly is just a disappointing waste of resources. So many problems with the game and you want to make everybody linearly powerful. Teamcomps can be built entirely around champions with non-linear powercurves. That makes drafting more interesting than just counterpicks and shit.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
March 05 2014 12:25 GMT
#1034
Remember when they tried to make Garen more 'late game'? I'd argue that was a nerf. Will be really sad if they wreck lee, will also make a lot of people further question their balancing.
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
March 05 2014 12:32 GMT
#1035
Why are they trying to change a champion that is completely fine? Healthy pick rate at all levels of play, no ridiculous win rate, not instant pick/ban, high skill ceiling but playable by all. I mean what the fuck is wrong with him for them to think "oh yeah lets change him"
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 05 2014 12:57 GMT
#1036
its funny they still change the most random shit ever and renekton still is renekton after forever and a half
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
March 05 2014 13:19 GMT
#1037
Riot has such a hard on for high skill cap champs like Elise and lee but Press the easy button junglers like panth and wu are ignored.
Moar banelings less qq
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 13:33:22
March 05 2014 13:32 GMT
#1038
On March 05 2014 21:25 schmutttt wrote:
Remember when they tried to make Garen more 'late game'? I'd argue that was a nerf. Will be really sad if they wreck lee, will also make a lot of people further question their balancing.


and then they had to nerf him because his W was way too powerful lategame with the old tank items
garen has been meh early game for quite some time now
his mid/late game is surprisingly decent
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 14:07:04
March 05 2014 14:04 GMT
#1039
I thought that by virtue of scaling off of enemy HP% Garen's ult would be super good on tanks lategame.
Against a 3k health 100 MR target (possible, it's more or less a bruiser with Sunfire+Tabi+about to finish Visage) at level 16, he needs them to drop to 24% remaining HP to kill them. Not that bad, you'd think.

I ran the numbers against a level 16 dragon form Shyvana, with Sunfire, Mercs and SV a defensive itemisation, 21 in defense (5% bonus armour/MR, 36 flat + 3% more HP, flat amour rather than MR, and +10 MR from nearby enemy champions) which makes 186 MR + 2926 HP.
He needs her to drop to 537 HP (18% of her total health) to be able to finish her off. And I forgot to add MR glyphs in calculations (and it's even harder if she builds Randuin's or something and gets level 18).

Darius and Cho'Gath actually execute tanks better than him, on top of 100-0 squishies just as well too. Welp.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 14:07:59
March 05 2014 14:06 GMT
#1040
if shyvana is going spirit visage you dont use ult on her, you only ult tanks with high hp/armour, otherwise let the adcs deal with em
tanks dont have THAT much more hp than squishies anyway, you'd better use it on squishies

chogath and darius cant close gap and arent as tanky as garen, chogath can compare but he's so easy to hit because of how slow he is he's almost a caster type teamfighter where he stays back and tries to land skills before going in

the numbers of a renek going sunfire randuins hydra with lvl 16 ult would be much more favourable, shyvana gets tons of mr and nobody would get SV on shyvaan over banshees now not that it affects anything
Prev 1 50 51 52 53 54 133 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 3m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 137
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 657
Zeus 305
Killer 247
Dewaltoss 53
Mong 37
Noble 18
Hm[arnc] 16
SilentControl 13
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm95
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King77
Other Games
summit1g7918
WinterStarcraft571
monkeys_forever244
Happy89
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV375
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream32
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1070
• Lourlo934
• Stunt475
• TFBlade405
Upcoming Events
GSL
2h 3m
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
3h 33m
OSC
5h 33m
Replay Cast
16h 33m
Escore
1d 2h
The PondCast
1d 2h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 3h
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
Big Brain Bouts
1d 8h
Fjant vs Bly
Serral vs Shameless
OSC
1d 14h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
2 days
Artosis vs TerrOr
spx vs StRyKeR
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
BSL
3 days
Dewalt vs DragOn
Aether vs Jimin
GSL
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Soma vs Leta
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-05
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.