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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 02:06:59
March 03 2014 02:06 GMT
#701
On March 03 2014 10:11 Sufficiency wrote:
Putting their ultimates aside, I think Sejuani definitely sticks to the target better. She has an E beside her Q which can be used to maintain her distance while she waits for her Q's cooldown. But do remember that Amumu has much longer range on his Q (1100 vs 650) which can be useful in many situations.


Yeah, Amumu's Q travels faster and farther, which is a pretty huge deal in of itself. For initiation purposes I like amumu Q more just because the threat distance is so much higher.

As for overall, IDK, they're just different.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
March 03 2014 02:14 GMT
#702
Amumu's got an 1100 range gapcloser that applies a 1-sec stun on a 4.8 sec cooldown w/ 40% CDR. So yea, he does stick to targets pretty damn well, even if they have flash/escapes. I guess a good way of conveying what I wanted to convey is that Amumu has good mobility within a team fight, able to either focus on one target or go from one to the other pretty easily thanks to the low CD on bandage toss.

In any case, I'll back away from this discussion since people are getting angry.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 03 2014 02:16 GMT
#703
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
I come in for the scraps
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
March 03 2014 02:17 GMT
#704
I think Jungle Poppy might work.

I just tried a custom game and had a pretty good first clear with no leash because her passive reduces Blue/Red damage.

You can keep her W rolling so it's a constant +15 AD but she kind of has mana issues. You'll run oom with Blue Buff if you use W a couple times between camps and I wouldn't bother using it that way at all without Blue.
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
March 03 2014 02:41 GMT
#705
after playing a few games with each today amumu just feels like he does more damage than sejuani, his W has more practical up time and you get to spam more Es. he also has innate magic pen from his passive which i didn't see mentioned in any calculations. despite being shorter ranged it seems like it's a lot easier to get multiple key targets with amumu's ult as well.
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
March 03 2014 03:05 GMT
#706
I'm back team :D

Oh and on this Amumu discussion.....he is insanely strong with the wraith item, then some tankyness......why do most amumus insist on only going full tank now. I feel like hes much weaker full tank.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
March 03 2014 03:53 GMT
#707
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!

Is it that, or is it the fact that Fiora is an assassin with no built-in escapes (unlike virtually every assassin that has gone FOTM) making you vulnerable to junlger attention?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 03 2014 04:07 GMT
#708
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!


Is this the right place to post this video?
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 04:13:20
March 03 2014 04:12 GMT
#709
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!


Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.
TranslatorBaa!
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
March 03 2014 04:18 GMT
#710
On March 03 2014 13:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!


Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.

I'd report you if i could
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 03 2014 04:19 GMT
#711
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!


Why would they gank for you when they could gank for the lane with cc?

Best case scenario ganking a Fiora lane is blowing flash even if they don't ward.

I dunno, unless fiora lane opponent doesn't have an escape, I'm going to go Gank for the lane that can follow up on my cc. Unless said jungle dives well, but even then I'd rather bit five at all then dive.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 03 2014 04:20 GMT
#712
i must have missed teh earlier shitstorm but did they just change kassadin's r to have 3 second cd? like wtf
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 04:27:04
March 03 2014 04:26 GMT
#713
On March 03 2014 13:19 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!


Why would they gank for you when they could gank for the lane with cc?

Best case scenario ganking a Fiora lane is blowing flash even if they don't ward.

I dunno, unless fiora lane opponent doesn't have an escape, I'm going to go Gank for the lane that can follow up on my cc. Unless said jungle dives well, but even then I'd rather bit five at all then dive.


because that is gold/plat thinking

its a good start to basic jungling, but once you learn counterganking and the like you see how valuable a good jungler is

this is why pro tops always want to be the one pushing the wave btw and they fight to push if possible. so that you are always stronger
I come in for the scraps
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 04:28:28
March 03 2014 04:27 GMT
#714
On March 03 2014 13:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 13:19 iCanada wrote:
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!


Why would they gank for you when they could gank for the lane with cc?

Best case scenario ganking a Fiora lane is blowing flash even if they don't ward.

I dunno, unless fiora lane opponent doesn't have an escape, I'm going to go Gank for the lane that can follow up on my cc. Unless said jungle dives well, but even then I'd rather bit five at all then dive.


because that is gold/plat thinking

its a good start to basic jungling, but once you learn counterganking and the like you see how valuable a good jungler is


Bad Jungling is not limited to tiers, it's just bad Jungling all around.

That video of the guy crying about Fiora is a perfect example of why Junglers are terrible people. All that advice/crying he gives comes straight out of "How to lose games 101"
TranslatorBaa!
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 03 2014 04:30 GMT
#715
in other news just took top inhib tower against a rengar 15 minutes in, do not pick rengar against fiora bros
I come in for the scraps
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 04:38:29
March 03 2014 04:33 GMT
#716
On March 03 2014 13:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!


Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.


Fuck u bro muted reported no ganks top

but srsly that video was 98% bullshit till he said "we aint blind, we see u being pushed to ur turret u dont need to ping 17 times" HOLY FUCK YES PLZ STOP SPAM-PINGING ME
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 04:34:33
March 03 2014 04:34 GMT
#717
On March 03 2014 13:33 Omnishroud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 13:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!


Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.


Fuck u bro muted reported no ganks top


>implying top gets ganks normally

island theory mofos
TranslatorBaa!
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-03 04:41:23
March 03 2014 04:39 GMT
#718
On March 03 2014 13:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 13:33 Omnishroud wrote:
On March 03 2014 13:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!


Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.


Fuck u bro muted reported no ganks top


>implying top gets ganks normally

island theory mofos


Nah i play at trash level, i walk thru their jungle like nobodies business, pop out of tribrush and force summoners then loop de loop and get the kill D: (srsly silver players are this dumb.)
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 03 2014 04:45 GMT
#719
On March 03 2014 13:19 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!


Why would they gank for you when they could gank for the lane with cc?

Best case scenario ganking a Fiora lane is blowing flash even if they don't ward.

I dunno, unless fiora lane opponent doesn't have an escape, I'm going to go Gank for the lane that can follow up on my cc. Unless said jungle dives well, but even then I'd rather bit five at all then dive.


A shitload of damage is a follow up to cc, and Fiora has it.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
March 03 2014 04:50 GMT
#720
On March 03 2014 13:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!


Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.

Not as toxic scumbag as going afk when someone doesnt give you blue. (because jungler knows that you will give it up right after)
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