On March 03 2014 10:11 Sufficiency wrote: Putting their ultimates aside, I think Sejuani definitely sticks to the target better. She has an E beside her Q which can be used to maintain her distance while she waits for her Q's cooldown. But do remember that Amumu has much longer range on his Q (1100 vs 650) which can be useful in many situations.
Yeah, Amumu's Q travels faster and farther, which is a pretty huge deal in of itself. For initiation purposes I like amumu Q more just because the threat distance is so much higher.
Amumu's got an 1100 range gapcloser that applies a 1-sec stun on a 4.8 sec cooldown w/ 40% CDR. So yea, he does stick to targets pretty damn well, even if they have flash/escapes. I guess a good way of conveying what I wanted to convey is that Amumu has good mobility within a team fight, able to either focus on one target or go from one to the other pretty easily thanks to the low CD on bandage toss.
In any case, I'll back away from this discussion since people are getting angry.
this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
I just tried a custom game and had a pretty good first clear with no leash because her passive reduces Blue/Red damage.
You can keep her W rolling so it's a constant +15 AD but she kind of has mana issues. You'll run oom with Blue Buff if you use W a couple times between camps and I wouldn't bother using it that way at all without Blue.
after playing a few games with each today amumu just feels like he does more damage than sejuani, his W has more practical up time and you get to spam more Es. he also has innate magic pen from his passive which i didn't see mentioned in any calculations. despite being shorter ranged it seems like it's a lot easier to get multiple key targets with amumu's ult as well.
Oh and on this Amumu discussion.....he is insanely strong with the wraith item, then some tankyness......why do most amumus insist on only going full tank now. I feel like hes much weaker full tank.
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
Is it that, or is it the fact that Fiora is an assassin with no built-in escapes (unlike virtually every assassin that has gone FOTM) making you vulnerable to junlger attention?
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
Why would they gank for you when they could gank for the lane with cc?
Best case scenario ganking a Fiora lane is blowing flash even if they don't ward.
I dunno, unless fiora lane opponent doesn't have an escape, I'm going to go Gank for the lane that can follow up on my cc. Unless said jungle dives well, but even then I'd rather bit five at all then dive.
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
Why would they gank for you when they could gank for the lane with cc?
Best case scenario ganking a Fiora lane is blowing flash even if they don't ward.
I dunno, unless fiora lane opponent doesn't have an escape, I'm going to go Gank for the lane that can follow up on my cc. Unless said jungle dives well, but even then I'd rather bit five at all then dive.
because that is gold/plat thinking
its a good start to basic jungling, but once you learn counterganking and the like you see how valuable a good jungler is
this is why pro tops always want to be the one pushing the wave btw and they fight to push if possible. so that you are always stronger
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
Why would they gank for you when they could gank for the lane with cc?
Best case scenario ganking a Fiora lane is blowing flash even if they don't ward.
I dunno, unless fiora lane opponent doesn't have an escape, I'm going to go Gank for the lane that can follow up on my cc. Unless said jungle dives well, but even then I'd rather bit five at all then dive.
because that is gold/plat thinking
its a good start to basic jungling, but once you learn counterganking and the like you see how valuable a good jungler is
Bad Jungling is not limited to tiers, it's just bad Jungling all around.
That video of the guy crying about Fiora is a perfect example of why Junglers are terrible people. All that advice/crying he gives comes straight out of "How to lose games 101"
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.
Fuck u bro muted reported no ganks top
but srsly that video was 98% bullshit till he said "we aint blind, we see u being pushed to ur turret u dont need to ping 17 times" HOLY FUCK YES PLZ STOP SPAM-PINGING ME
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.
Fuck u bro muted reported no ganks top
>implying top gets ganks normally
island theory mofos
Nah i play at trash level, i walk thru their jungle like nobodies business, pop out of tribrush and force summoners then loop de loop and get the kill D: (srsly silver players are this dumb.)
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
Why would they gank for you when they could gank for the lane with cc?
Best case scenario ganking a Fiora lane is blowing flash even if they don't ward.
I dunno, unless fiora lane opponent doesn't have an escape, I'm going to go Gank for the lane that can follow up on my cc. Unless said jungle dives well, but even then I'd rather bit five at all then dive.
A shitload of damage is a follow up to cc, and Fiora has it.
On March 03 2014 11:16 VayneAuthority wrote: this discussion reminds me of whenever I play fiora in high diamonds junglers will go out of their way to make sure you dont perform well to support their self-fulfilling prophecy. People just don't want less known champs to succeed innately, dat human psychology!
Ya pretty much. Junglers are generally the most toxic scumbag players.
Not as toxic scumbag as going afk when someone doesnt give you blue. (because jungler knows that you will give it up right after)
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