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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On March 16 2014 11:32 chalice wrote: maknoon jungle would be the most baller thing ever. I think the same person who said he'd join an NA team said he's playing top, so if he went on EG, he'd replace Innox. Definitely an upgrade, but with Innox does that really mean that much? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On March 16 2014 11:12 phyvo wrote: I'm cross posting and responding to a not off-topic discussion that was in the off topic thread because, well, obvious complaints. I didn't say they won't hit armor runes. I said "they're not just going to hit runes". That would include the kinds of simple rune buffs/nerfs that we've seen before. Here are surrender@20 red post links where they discuss their ideas, there has been no information since then. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/10/preseason-pregame-preparations.html http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/12/red-post-collection-update-on-preseason.html Basically they aren't going to nerf any runes into oblivion because they don't want to invalidate anyone's current runes. At the same time they want runes to be more about playstyle and want to change the focus of red/yellow/blue along the lines of blue is utility, yellow is defense, and red is offense. That's quite different from simply smashing runes with buff and nerf sticks. How they're going to do this with minimal disruption (as they say) IDK. My whole issue was just that if it's a massive rune overhaul and some old runes will be useless and new runes will be good, I wanted to be able to have the IP to buy them and now I don't 'cause I'm impatient  | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On March 16 2014 11:12 phyvo wrote: I'm cross posting and responding to a not off-topic discussion that was in the off topic thread because, well, obvious complaints. I didn't say they won't hit armor runes. I said "they're not just going to hit runes". That would include the kinds of simple rune buffs/nerfs that we've seen before. Here are surrender@20 red post links where they discuss their ideas, there has been no information since then. http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/10/preseason-pregame-preparations.html http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/12/red-post-collection-update-on-preseason.html Basically they aren't going to nerf any runes into oblivion because they don't want to invalidate anyone's current runes. At the same time they want runes to be more about playstyle and want to change the focus of red/yellow/blue along the lines of blue is utility, yellow is defense, and red is offense. That's quite different from simply smashing runes with buff and nerf sticks. How they're going to do this with minimal disruption (as they say) IDK. Thanks for the info, and my mistake on not understanding your post properly. I know they promise minimal disruption, but that has to be a lie. It doesn't seem possible for what they are planning(especially if they add in something like hybrid resistance runes). Again, thank you for expanding on the post from OT! I'll have to start trying to play more. This rune changes stuff will be pretty major, and there's no way current rune pages survive. Most likely, they'll be decent, but less than satisfactory. I miss my dodge runes every game I play. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
forgot how broken those would make yasuo if they were actually decent again, but whatevs yolo | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
unless of course delusional enough to believe that western teams are actually good enough to be competitive if teams are chosen purely based on strength. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 16 2014 14:33 oneofthem wrote: people complaining about riot's intl tourney structure should just look at the western response to how boring a tourney is. it's basically about how far western teams make it, and whether they put up a good fight. you can't really complain about the lack of intl tourneys and fair strength representation while at the same time complain that a tourney is boring because korean overlords crush everything. unless of course delusional enough to believe that western teams are actually good enough to be competitive if teams are chosen purely based on strength. ... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gDLj5Lj.png) Mind you, this was before C9 was eliminated, but I'm not quite sure about this negative western response you are talking about it. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 16 2014 14:37 onlywonderboy wrote: ... Mind you, this was before C9 was eliminated, but I'm not quite sure about this negative western response you are talking about it. that's what i am talking about. they want to see western teams doing well. if they are not doing well the tourney sucks. for the WC it was all hype when fnatic and gambit were beating up ozone. but when fnatic lost to royal, and the royal hype got crushed, it was salt lake city. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 16 2014 14:49 oneofthem wrote: that's what i am talking about. they want to see western teams doing well. if they are not doing well the tourney sucks. I'm pretty sure these were posted before C9 even played (like when Group A was playing). Where is this negative response you're talking about? People seemed pretty hyped for KT B vs Gambit even after C9 lost... Edit: Oh wait, I think you mean NA/EU. I mean I guess SKT T1 would probably still steamroll the competition but the IEM has still been really fun to watch. I don't understand how that's a bad thing. Sure if SKT T1 K was there they would have wrecked everyone else. But hey, they weren't and we got a fun tournament. I'm not gonna just accept the lack of international tournaments just because other fans don't want to accept their region doesn't have the best team... | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
if fnatic gets 3-0 completely crushed you'll see the "this tourney sucks" type of posts again. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 16 2014 14:52 oneofthem wrote: i'm talking about negative response to the s3 world championship relative to this IEM. of course this one is hyped and such with western teams showing good games and wins. if fnatic gets 3-0 completely crushed you'll see the "this tourney sucks" type of posts again. Or S3 WC actually did kind of suck because the format was trash. There was also a much larger skill disparity between teams than there was at IEM so we got more stomps. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 16 2014 14:55 onlywonderboy wrote: Or S3 WC actually did kind of suck because the format was trash. There was also a much larger skill disparity between teams than there was at IEM so we got more stomps. s3 format was not perfect i agree, but the format complaint was largely a crutch compared to fan favorites getting knocked out uneventfully. outside of tl, the only bit of hype for the finals was entirely on royal and that was because they played fnatic. if this IEM had gambit or fnatic getting knocked out in groups there'll be complaints about bo1's and whatever. the format will always be bad when the wrong teams are left over | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 16 2014 14:58 Kupon3ss wrote: Well it helps when you pit teams that aren't even top4 in China or Korea against the best western teams (cept TSM ft.regigod ofc) Didn't say it was perfect, I said it was entertaining ha. I guess the big take away from this is that tournaments are always going to be more exciting when you have a horse in the race. I still like international tournaments though :p | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On March 16 2014 14:28 xes wrote: I think they're giving refunds on the runes that are becoming defunct. They said they were months back. I expect to get about 30k+ ip from runes that will no longer exist. =D On March 16 2014 14:50 onlywonderboy wrote: I'm pretty sure these were posted before C9 even played (like when Group A was playing). Where is this negative response you're talking about? People seemed pretty hyped for KT B vs Gambit even after C9 lost... Edit: Oh wait, I think you mean NA/EU. I mean I guess SKT T1 would probably still steamroll the competition but the IEM has still been really fun to watch. I don't understand how that's a bad thing. Sure if SKT T1 K was there they would have wrecked everyone else. But hey, they weren't and we got a fun tournament. I'm not gonna just accept the lack of international tournaments just because other fans don't want to accept their region doesn't have the best team... I got into a discussion with a guy on reddit, silly me, where he insisted that pool play instead of double elimination for groups with multiple streams would have been better. | ||
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