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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
March 16 2014 02:47 GMT
#2421
On March 16 2014 11:32 chalice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 11:30 nojitosunrise wrote:
On March 16 2014 11:21 Fusilero wrote:
On March 16 2014 11:18 nojitosunrise wrote:
On March 16 2014 10:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
Apparently Maknoon is joining a NA LCS team next split, not really confirmed but it sounds like a troll

my money's on curse

EG feels likely, friends with ex-CLG.EU guys and EG definitely has the money

who would he replace?

maknoon jungle would be the most baller thing ever.

I think the same person who said he'd join an NA team said he's playing top, so if he went on EG, he'd replace Innox. Definitely an upgrade, but with Innox does that really mean that much?
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 16 2014 03:13 GMT
#2422
On March 16 2014 11:12 phyvo wrote:
I'm cross posting and responding to a not off-topic discussion that was in the off topic thread because, well, obvious complaints.

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 10:49 ketchup wrote:
On March 16 2014 08:39 phyvo wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:47 ketchup wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:30 BlackPaladin wrote:
http://imgur.com/e8jDlzP

I...uh...what.

I don't...get it?

Also FUCK Riot just announced Rune changes coming (but not what they are) like a few weeks after I finally caved and spent all my IP to buy the last of the champs I don't own.

Knew that was gonna happen.


They announced rune changes during pre-season 4 I believe, but never explicitly stated what they were. They will most likely hit armor runes, which will probably make hp yellow a thing again.


They're not just going to hit runes, last I heard they're probably going to change reds/yellows/blues etc so that they have different kinds of focus rather than every rune having a MR version and stuff like that. So the system itself is going to see quite some change aside from simple buffing/nerfing they've done before, though they've kept their cards fairly close to their chest about the details.

Honestly I think you'll be fine Wave. If you had decided to buy runes who knows but at least you spent your IP on stuff that's not completely changing any time soon.


I don't know why you think they won't hit armor runes. Can I get some sort of source on that info too? I want to read more about it. To me, it's clear they will attempt to disrupt yellow runes in some way, and the biggest thing holding people back from changing things around are armor runes. Even if they don't hit armor runes directly, they are probably going to do it indirectly by buffing the other types. It's the same thing in the end.


I didn't say they won't hit armor runes. I said "they're not just going to hit runes". That would include the kinds of simple rune buffs/nerfs that we've seen before. Here are surrender@20 red post links where they discuss their ideas, there has been no information since then.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/10/preseason-pregame-preparations.html
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/12/red-post-collection-update-on-preseason.html

Basically they aren't going to nerf any runes into oblivion because they don't want to invalidate anyone's current runes. At the same time they want runes to be more about playstyle and want to change the focus of red/yellow/blue along the lines of blue is utility, yellow is defense, and red is offense. That's quite different from simply smashing runes with buff and nerf sticks. How they're going to do this with minimal disruption (as they say) IDK.

My whole issue was just that if it's a massive rune overhaul and some old runes will be useless and new runes will be good, I wanted to be able to have the IP to buy them and now I don't 'cause I'm impatient
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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 03:13:56
March 16 2014 03:13 GMT
#2423
On March 16 2014 11:12 phyvo wrote:
I'm cross posting and responding to a not off-topic discussion that was in the off topic thread because, well, obvious complaints.

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 10:49 ketchup wrote:
On March 16 2014 08:39 phyvo wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:47 ketchup wrote:
On March 16 2014 05:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 16 2014 04:30 BlackPaladin wrote:
http://imgur.com/e8jDlzP

I...uh...what.

I don't...get it?

Also FUCK Riot just announced Rune changes coming (but not what they are) like a few weeks after I finally caved and spent all my IP to buy the last of the champs I don't own.

Knew that was gonna happen.


They announced rune changes during pre-season 4 I believe, but never explicitly stated what they were. They will most likely hit armor runes, which will probably make hp yellow a thing again.


They're not just going to hit runes, last I heard they're probably going to change reds/yellows/blues etc so that they have different kinds of focus rather than every rune having a MR version and stuff like that. So the system itself is going to see quite some change aside from simple buffing/nerfing they've done before, though they've kept their cards fairly close to their chest about the details.

Honestly I think you'll be fine Wave. If you had decided to buy runes who knows but at least you spent your IP on stuff that's not completely changing any time soon.


I don't know why you think they won't hit armor runes. Can I get some sort of source on that info too? I want to read more about it. To me, it's clear they will attempt to disrupt yellow runes in some way, and the biggest thing holding people back from changing things around are armor runes. Even if they don't hit armor runes directly, they are probably going to do it indirectly by buffing the other types. It's the same thing in the end.


I didn't say they won't hit armor runes. I said "they're not just going to hit runes". That would include the kinds of simple rune buffs/nerfs that we've seen before. Here are surrender@20 red post links where they discuss their ideas, there has been no information since then.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/10/preseason-pregame-preparations.html
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/12/red-post-collection-update-on-preseason.html

Basically they aren't going to nerf any runes into oblivion because they don't want to invalidate anyone's current runes. At the same time they want runes to be more about playstyle and want to change the focus of red/yellow/blue along the lines of blue is utility, yellow is defense, and red is offense. That's quite different from simply smashing runes with buff and nerf sticks. How they're going to do this with minimal disruption (as they say) IDK.


Thanks for the info, and my mistake on not understanding your post properly. I know they promise minimal disruption, but that has to be a lie. It doesn't seem possible for what they are planning(especially if they add in something like hybrid resistance runes). Again, thank you for expanding on the post from OT! I'll have to start trying to play more. This rune changes stuff will be pretty major, and there's no way current rune pages survive. Most likely, they'll be decent, but less than satisfactory.



I miss my dodge runes every game I play.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 03:32:07
March 16 2014 03:31 GMT
#2424
crit damage runes viable again plz. IE gangplank nasus and shaco so funni

forgot how broken those would make yasuo if they were actually decent again, but whatevs yolo
I come in for the scraps
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 16 2014 03:39 GMT
#2425
dam zed is still super duper fun why did i doubt
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 16 2014 03:39 GMT
#2426
maknoon is still decent i think. was actually challenger last season playing mid back when it was 50 spots.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
March 16 2014 03:40 GMT
#2427
hopefully this doesn't mean I have to buy all new runes. I like that their looking at them though
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 16 2014 05:28 GMT
#2428
I think they're giving refunds on the runes that are becoming defunct.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 16 2014 05:33 GMT
#2429
people complaining about riot's intl tourney structure should just look at the western response to how boring a tourney is. it's basically about how far western teams make it, and whether they put up a good fight. you can't really complain about the lack of intl tourneys and fair strength representation while at the same time complain that a tourney is boring because korean overlords crush everything.

unless of course delusional enough to believe that western teams are actually good enough to be competitive if teams are chosen purely based on strength.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 16 2014 05:37 GMT
#2430
On March 16 2014 14:33 oneofthem wrote:
people complaining about riot's intl tourney structure should just look at the western response to how boring a tourney is. it's basically about how far western teams make it, and whether they put up a good fight. you can't really complain about the lack of intl tourneys and fair strength representation while at the same time complain that a tourney is boring because korean overlords crush everything.

unless of course delusional enough to believe that western teams are actually good enough to be competitive if teams are chosen purely based on strength.

...
[image loading]
Mind you, this was before C9 was eliminated, but I'm not quite sure about this negative western response you are talking about it.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 16 2014 05:44 GMT
#2431
Good internation tournaments such as IEM and IPL (RIP) have always received a lot of excitement and attention, if nothing else due to the fact that fans can actually see some of the best teams in the world play each other instead of artificially separated region-locked leagues
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 05:51:08
March 16 2014 05:49 GMT
#2432
On March 16 2014 14:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 14:33 oneofthem wrote:
people complaining about riot's intl tourney structure should just look at the western response to how boring a tourney is. it's basically about how far western teams make it, and whether they put up a good fight. you can't really complain about the lack of intl tourneys and fair strength representation while at the same time complain that a tourney is boring because korean overlords crush everything.

unless of course delusional enough to believe that western teams are actually good enough to be competitive if teams are chosen purely based on strength.

...
[image loading]
Mind you, this was before C9 was eliminated, but I'm not quite sure about this negative western response you are talking about it.

that's what i am talking about. they want to see western teams doing well. if they are not doing well the tourney sucks.

for the WC it was all hype when fnatic and gambit were beating up ozone. but when fnatic lost to royal, and the royal hype got crushed, it was salt lake city.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 05:53:00
March 16 2014 05:50 GMT
#2433
On March 16 2014 14:49 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 14:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
[B]On March 16 2014 14:33 oneofthem wrote:[/
people complaining about riot's intl tourney structure should just look at the western response to how boring a tourney is. it's basically about how far western teams make it, and whether they put up a good fight. you can't really complain about the lack of intl tourneys and fair strength representation while at the same time complain that a tourney is boring because korean overlords crush everything.

unless of course delusional enough to believe that western teams are actually good enough to be competitive if teams are chosen purely based on strength.

...
[image loading]
Mind you, this was before C9 was eliminated, but I'm not quite sure about this negative western response you are talking about it.

that's what i am talking about. they want to see western teams doing well. if they are not doing well the tourney sucks.

I'm pretty sure these were posted before C9 even played (like when Group A was playing). Where is this negative response you're talking about? People seemed pretty hyped for KT B vs Gambit even after C9 lost...

Edit: Oh wait, I think you mean NA/EU. I mean I guess SKT T1 would probably still steamroll the competition but the IEM has still been really fun to watch. I don't understand how that's a bad thing. Sure if SKT T1 K was there they would have wrecked everyone else. But hey, they weren't and we got a fun tournament. I'm not gonna just accept the lack of international tournaments just because other fans don't want to accept their region doesn't have the best team...
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 16 2014 05:52 GMT
#2434
i'm talking about negative response to the s3 world championship relative to this IEM. of course this one is hyped and such with western teams showing good games and wins.

if fnatic gets 3-0 completely crushed you'll see the "this tourney sucks" type of posts again.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 16 2014 05:53 GMT
#2435
That is a good point though, while its one thing to see the hometown western favorites play against the "korean overlords", it becomes another thing entirely when all the western teams are knocked out and all that's seen is "faceless asian teams" playing each other Ala S3 finals (the 3-0 didn't help)
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 16 2014 05:55 GMT
#2436
On March 16 2014 14:52 oneofthem wrote:
i'm talking about negative response to the s3 world championship relative to this IEM. of course this one is hyped and such with western teams showing good games and wins.

if fnatic gets 3-0 completely crushed you'll see the "this tourney sucks" type of posts again.

Or S3 WC actually did kind of suck because the format was trash. There was also a much larger skill disparity between teams than there was at IEM so we got more stomps.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 05:59:34
March 16 2014 05:58 GMT
#2437
Well it helps when you pit teams that aren't even top4 in China or Korea against the best western teams (cept TSM ft.regigod ofc)
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-16 06:07:16
March 16 2014 06:02 GMT
#2438
On March 16 2014 14:55 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 14:52 oneofthem wrote:
i'm talking about negative response to the s3 world championship relative to this IEM. of course this one is hyped and such with western teams showing good games and wins.

if fnatic gets 3-0 completely crushed you'll see the "this tourney sucks" type of posts again.

Or S3 WC actually did kind of suck because the format was trash. There was also a much larger skill disparity between teams than there was at IEM so we got more stomps.

s3 format was not perfect i agree, but the format complaint was largely a crutch compared to fan favorites getting knocked out uneventfully. outside of tl, the only bit of hype for the finals was entirely on royal and that was because they played fnatic.

if this IEM had gambit or fnatic getting knocked out in groups there'll be complaints about bo1's and whatever. the format will always be bad when the wrong teams are left over
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 16 2014 06:14 GMT
#2439
On March 16 2014 14:58 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well it helps when you pit teams that aren't even top4 in China or Korea against the best western teams (cept TSM ft.regigod ofc)

Didn't say it was perfect, I said it was entertaining ha.

I guess the big take away from this is that tournaments are always going to be more exciting when you have a horse in the race. I still like international tournaments though :p
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
March 16 2014 06:41 GMT
#2440
On March 16 2014 14:28 xes wrote:
I think they're giving refunds on the runes that are becoming defunct.

They said they were months back. I expect to get about 30k+ ip from runes that will no longer exist. =D

On March 16 2014 14:50 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 14:49 oneofthem wrote:
On March 16 2014 14:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
[B]On March 16 2014 14:33 oneofthem wrote:[/
people complaining about riot's intl tourney structure should just look at the western response to how boring a tourney is. it's basically about how far western teams make it, and whether they put up a good fight. you can't really complain about the lack of intl tourneys and fair strength representation while at the same time complain that a tourney is boring because korean overlords crush everything.

unless of course delusional enough to believe that western teams are actually good enough to be competitive if teams are chosen purely based on strength.

...
[image loading]
Mind you, this was before C9 was eliminated, but I'm not quite sure about this negative western response you are talking about it.

that's what i am talking about. they want to see western teams doing well. if they are not doing well the tourney sucks.

I'm pretty sure these were posted before C9 even played (like when Group A was playing). Where is this negative response you're talking about? People seemed pretty hyped for KT B vs Gambit even after C9 lost...

Edit: Oh wait, I think you mean NA/EU. I mean I guess SKT T1 would probably still steamroll the competition but the IEM has still been really fun to watch. I don't understand how that's a bad thing. Sure if SKT T1 K was there they would have wrecked everyone else. But hey, they weren't and we got a fun tournament. I'm not gonna just accept the lack of international tournaments just because other fans don't want to accept their region doesn't have the best team...

I got into a discussion with a guy on reddit, silly me, where he insisted that pool play instead of double elimination for groups with multiple streams would have been better.
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