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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
January 15 2014 11:57 GMT
#161
Yay, Janna can heal more now. I wonder if it'll change her play-rate, i know for sure i gotta test a few things.
hi
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 15 2014 12:13 GMT
#162
On January 15 2014 19:03 Scip wrote:
I personally don't think he was all that strong in the jungle before nerfs anyway, I don't expect him to do well at all after these nerfs though

He's not AP ofc you don't play him !
The legend of Darien lives on
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
January 15 2014 12:19 GMT
#163
On January 15 2014 21:13 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 19:03 Scip wrote:
I personally don't think he was all that strong in the jungle before nerfs anyway, I don't expect him to do well at all after these nerfs though

He's not AP ofc you don't play him !

WTF tolki I play Vi and Khazix by far the most why do you keep thinking I play only AP junglers
jeez I don't even play Gragas the only AP junglers I play are Eve and Elise
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
January 15 2014 12:20 GMT
#164
On January 15 2014 21:19 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 21:13 mr_tolkien wrote:
On January 15 2014 19:03 Scip wrote:
I personally don't think he was all that strong in the jungle before nerfs anyway, I don't expect him to do well at all after these nerfs though

He's not AP ofc you don't play him !

WTF tolki I play Vi and Khazix by far the most why do you keep thinking I play only AP junglers
jeez I don't even play Gragas the only AP junglers I play are Eve and Elise

Btw what do you think about eve jungle now. Obviously as mid she is trash now, but is she still a banworthy jungler?
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
January 15 2014 12:38 GMT
#165
PATCH IS UP ON NA
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
January 15 2014 12:47 GMT
#166
is trash rly that op that everyone bans him in this patch ? :O
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
January 15 2014 12:53 GMT
#167
I'am really disapointed by the numerous comments qqing for more balance changes (like "y u no nerf XX champ?" or "y u no nerf XXpart about YY champ?"). I thought the TL community isn't about this stuff.

the only really good thing about this patch is the fact that they didn't touch the balance as much as they could have, so thumbs up for that.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 15 2014 12:59 GMT
#168
On January 15 2014 21:47 xsnac wrote:
is trash rly that op that everyone bans him in this patch ? :O

Thresh is #1 on my must-ban list, yes.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 15 2014 13:09 GMT
#169
hahaha those turret changes

rito pls
A backwards poet writes inverse.
brokenwatch
Profile Joined July 2011
Azerbaijan99 Posts
January 15 2014 13:28 GMT
#170
Riot is steadily getting worse and worse at balancing.These changes are ridiculous. I'm quitting lol and I know I'm not the only one. At least until riot reconsiders it's direction.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
January 15 2014 13:35 GMT
#171
I like this patch overall, not sure why all the hate. As for it's impact on pro games we will have to wait and see.

I'm not convinced jinx needed a nerf since she has seen 0 playtime in OGN but she's wrecking solo queue so... why not I guess, but in that case yasuo should have been nerfed too.

Nasus will probably be really bad now, he had already fallen out of flavour but at least we will see less people picking him because "doge op" and doing absolutely nothing the whole game.

The huge concern for me is the potential domination of roaming mids, it is already very hard to play static farming champs mid (aka KARTHUS yeah I have to defend my homeboy) so we will have to see it its really harder to push or if the minions can make the difference with the armor reduction.

The jungle change should open some more possibilities to mana-starved champs but maybe it will just be too good, also it could make counterjungling less effective but as many other things : we will have to see ingame how it goes.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
January 15 2014 13:37 GMT
#172
Time to finally break out the jungler urgot.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 15 2014 13:41 GMT
#173
Because the turret changes are counter to whole slew of things Riot said, notably regarding burden of knowledge, because it's a band-aid that can't even disguise its true ntentions, because it shows not how little sense of direction they have like people said, but on the contrary that they know exactly where they don't want to go and steer abruptly and forcefully to prevent it from happening?

I mean... even if it wasn't a shitty decision in terms of direction, enforcing a meta in its tiniest details (first the brushes in top lane, now the changes not affecting bot to make it the first tower to "push" and thus prime candidate for ranged AD and thus duo lanes) is a dick move to te community and especially the pros to restrain creativity and evolution.
And then on top of that you look at the way they implemented it and it's inelegant as fuck, design-wise. That's like using tables to align the content of your webpage. That reeks of shit.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
January 15 2014 14:00 GMT
#174
On January 15 2014 18:59 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 14:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 15 2014 13:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 15 2014 12:06 GolemMadness wrote:
On January 15 2014 11:46 IamPryda wrote:
no nid or ziggs nerfs lol gtfo


Why would Nidalee be nerfed again?


nidalee is like the overpowered hero in league right now among competent players, she ws 100% pick/ban for the longest time in group stage ogn and im not 100% sure on the numbers but i believe she is still the highest pick/ban rate in ogn after semifinals.

edit: 18 out of 21 in bracket stages; main outlier is skt vs kt where 2 out of 3 games did not feature a nidalee, primarily due to ryu/kt not particularly favoring nidalee picks and skt choosing not to ban as a response

nidalee has 35 appearances in group stages


compare with:
11 for Mundo (12 in group stages)
19 for shyvana (25 in group stages)
3 for ziggs (all in ozone/shield series, 0 in group stage) lol yea lets nerf ziggs he's so overpowered fucking idiots
21 for kassadin (19 in group stages)



oh i lied elise is actually the highest with 21/42 in bracket/group

point stands nidalee is a fucking stupid hero and should be deleted

actually all heroes with two sets of abilities should be deleted

B-but Fizz only has one set of abilities!


all, not only, heroes with two sets of abilities need to be deleted
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 15 2014 14:07 GMT
#175
When is LCS going to switch patches?
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JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
January 15 2014 14:18 GMT
#176
On January 15 2014 23:07 Doctorbeat wrote:
When is LCS going to switch patches?


my guess is next week.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 15 2014 14:34 GMT
#177
If they wanted longer laning phase and make 2v1 mire riaky. They could have buffed all tower durability by a little, and made dragon easier to get at early part of the game (at like 6 min mark), thus making it riskier to run trilane push on top.
liftlift > tsm
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-15 14:51:55
January 15 2014 14:51 GMT
#178
On January 15 2014 23:34 wei2coolman wrote:
If they wanted longer laning phase and make 2v1 mire riaky. They could have buffed all tower durability by a little, and made dragon easier to get at early part of the game (at like 6 min mark), thus making it riskier to run trilane push on top.

Haha this assume that Riot can actually analyze beyond linear dependencies xD
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
CarlMikael
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1043 Posts
January 15 2014 14:52 GMT
#179
So who are you guys banning right now if you are first pick ?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
January 15 2014 14:58 GMT
#180
On January 15 2014 22:28 brokenwatch wrote:
Riot is steadily getting worse and worse at balancing.These changes are ridiculous. I'm quitting lol and I know I'm not the only one. At least until riot reconsiders it's direction.


then what will you do with your free time borked
all the changes are good too I dunno why everyone complains about every patch in every game ever
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