[Patch 4.1] Season 4 Start General Discussion - Page 11

On January 16 2014 00:40 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
kog is super kawaii and really that's all that matters :3

On January 15 2014 23:58 Slayer91 wrote:


then what will you do with your free time borked
all the changes are good too I dunno why everyone complains about every patch in every game ever

On January 16 2014 00:08 oneofthem wrote:
idk why anyone would want longer laning phases. srs?

On January 16 2014 00:57 Alaric wrote:
What's to stop people from picking better 2v2 and/or 1v1 lanes, anticipate the swap from the enemy team, swap themselves, and force the enemy team to either deal with it or lose exp/gold by swapping again (and again)?

I mean, I get how perma-2v1 quickly becomes stale, and how it's true that outer towers falling at the 4 minutes mark creates some kind of weird map dynamic removing side lanes from play till drake time (it's just Riot kneejerk'd that one as usual, if they'd be more patient and people started growing weary by themselves they could make their changes with much less friction, and they'd have more time to polish them too).
However, I don't see how forcing "you will have your duo including a ranged AD in the bottom lane, and the solo in the top lane" on people is the solution. Providing alternatives (Yango mentioned taking jungle camps, and I remember a game where jungle Lee and offlane Jax jungled together for the first 3 minutes, waiting for the wave to reach the tower before he gets there and soaks the exp, that's something that could have been worked on although the golems and the wight are the hardest camps) so that the solo laner doesn't have a choice between being zoned and... being zoned, could make the situation more bearable.
You can also make changes that give incentives to mirror lanes, without forcing it. This way with tweaks both mirror and 1v2 lanes are viable (with different meanings on the champion pool: if only one situation works then it hurts the champions not suited to it, whether it be Riot's favoured setup or not) and you actually raise the game's depth.

I'm not criticising doing something to reduce 1v2 frequency below 85%, I'm criticising Riot trying to raise their choice's frequency to 100%, and doing it with a butcher's finesse (while breaking their own guidelines).

On January 16 2014 01:03 Kenpark wrote:
Lol at the need to argue why 2on1 lanes are bad. Do you actually play the game ? Its just not fun. Not for the 1on2, not for the jungle and playing pve 2on1 isnt fun either. Also I dont think this is personal preference. Numerous top lane pros stated how they dislike 1on2.

On January 16 2014 01:04 wei2coolman wrote:
But 2v1's arent even 100% used though. There has to be serious thoughts to use it to high effectiveness. Teams with weak botlanes gunna hurt real bad from this change, huge liability now to have weak botlanes. Would not be surprised to see c9 lose a lot more games due to sneaky and lemon's lane phase.

Kupo plz. At lower level no one knows how to 2v1, and if they did, they probably don't belong at that level.

On January 16 2014 01:03 Kenpark wrote:
Lol at the need to argue why 2on1 lanes are bad. Do you actually play the game ? Its just not fun. Not for the 1on2, not for the jungle and playing pve 2on1 isnt fun either. Also I dont think this is personal preference. Numerous top lane pros stated how they dislike 1on2.

What's to stop people from picking better 2v2 and/or 1v1 lanes, anticipate the swap from the enemy team, swap themselves, and force the enemy team to either deal with it or lose exp/gold by swapping again (and again)?

On January 16 2014 00:57 Alaric wrote:
What's to stop people from picking better 2v2 and/or 1v1 lanes, anticipate the swap from the enemy team, swap themselves, and force the enemy team to either deal with it or lose exp/gold by swapping again (and again)?

I mean, I get how perma-2v1 quickly becomes stale, and how it's true that outer towers falling at the 4 minutes mark creates some kind of weird map dynamic removing side lanes from play till drake time (it's just Riot kneejerk'd that one as usual, if they'd be more patient and people started growing weary by themselves they could make their changes with much less friction, and they'd have more time to polish them too).
However, I don't see how forcing "you will have your duo including a ranged AD in the bottom lane, and the solo in the top lane" on people is the solution. Providing alternatives (Yango mentioned taking jungle camps, and I remember a game where jungle Lee and offlane Jax jungled together for the first 3 minutes, waiting for the wave to reach the tower before he gets there and soaks the exp, that's something that could have been worked on although the golems and the wight are the hardest camps) so that the solo laner doesn't have a choice between being zoned and... being zoned, could make the situation more bearable.
You can also make changes that give incentives to mirror lanes, without forcing it. This way with tweaks both mirror and 1v2 lanes are viable (with different meanings on the champion pool: if only one situation works then it hurts the champions not suited to it, whether it be Riot's favoured setup or not) and you actually raise the game's depth.

I'm not criticising doing something to reduce 1v2 frequency below 85%, I'm criticising Riot trying to raise their choice's frequency to 100%, and doing it with a butcher's finesse (while breaking their own guidelines).

On January 16 2014 01:11 Kenpark wrote:


But how can you anticipate the swap ? Coordinated level 1 invades to get down wards are not possible in soloq. 1 guy comes at 1.10, the other runs straight to bot etc.
So its pretty much a gamble. And swapping after realizing where they went obv puts you at a big disadvantage.

On January 16 2014 01:03 Kenpark wrote:
Lol at the need to argue why 2on1 lanes are bad. Do you actually play the game ? Its just not fun. Not for the 1on2, not for the jungle and playing pve 2on1 isnt fun either. Also I dont think this is personal preference. Numerous top lane pros stated how they dislike 1on2.