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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
What the should have done is removed Ruby Crystal from Cowl recipe and replaced it with a Bead (the item gives regen after all), and reduce Spirit Visage health and price by an analogous amount. 400 health + 55 MR from one item is just too brutal vs APs. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On January 16 2014 01:19 Sufficiency wrote: I don’t think it matters for the most of us playing soloQ since lane swap pretty much never happens. For competitive, it will bring out more 2v2s which isn't too bad. I'm not sure people are worried about the intended result so much as the hamfisted fuckery they employed to get there. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
Trist is better than both, but Jinx is most popular late game hyper(ish) carry. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On January 16 2014 01:19 Alzadar wrote: I don't think they nerfed Spirit Visage properly. Everyone will still buy it because there's no real alternative for MR, now they'll just have 10% less CDR. What the should have done is removed Ruby Crystal from Cowl recipe and replaced it with a Bead (the item gives regen after all), and reduce Spirit Visage health and price by an analogous amount. 400 health + 55 MR from one item is just too brutal vs APs. Veil will be better (first MR item) if you don't rely on any healing. I kinda like the nerf to Sunfire, because now you have to choose between EHP from Randuin or more damage from Sunfire. It'll become something that you might buy if you're ahead and need the extra damage to kill or to push waves, rather than the go-to tank item on anyone. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 16 2014 01:22 Lord Tolkien wrote: Vayne's in a worse position than Kog in the current bot lane meta (or would be if she wasn't still so popular against all the terrible matchups she has). Both are in a pretty bad position with current picks. Trist is better than both, but Jinx is most popular late game hyper(ish) carry. People like Jinx because she doesn't have a terrible dip/weak point like Kog/Trist. Also, I think Vayne is picked for a different reasons than those 2. In particular, while they all like to be able to freefarm, Vayne is actually really good at freefarming, because if they send just 1 person, that person will probably die to Vayne. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On January 16 2014 01:35 cLutZ wrote: People like Jinx because she doesn't have a terrible dip/weak point like Kog/Trist. Also, I think Vayne is picked for a different reasons than those 2. In particular, while they all like to be able to freefarm, Vayne is actually really good at freefarming, because if they send just 1 person, that person will probably die to Vayne. That is fair. As a duelist she's still among the best of the ADCs though there are good/better ones without her glaring weaknesses. But her lane phase, good grief. tfw you get a first pick Vaynes that then go up against a Caitlyn/Thresh lane and complains about it. I mean seriously. Seriously. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Looks better now. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On January 16 2014 01:24 Inflicted_ wrote: Veil will be better (first MR item) if you don't rely on any healing. I kinda like the nerf to Sunfire, because now you have to choose between EHP from Randuin or more damage from Sunfire. It'll become something that you might buy if you're ahead and need the extra damage to kill or to push waves, rather than the go-to tank item on anyone. I can't see Veil ever being a top choice for front liners (the only champions who will be buying an item like that early in the game) because the shield is useless when you are always in front. There are too many things that can randomly pop it off for it to ever block a spell you actually want to block. The regen on it might be better than I think though. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
It actually looks like you're flashing. also ghost Also, they changed health pots/mana pots. Finally updated the icons! | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
And where are the Rune changes they've been talking about! | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Mana problems on Sejuani now completely nonexistant. Can Q every camp. However, interestingly if you try to take lane farm with skills your mana goes down fast. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
The present system where certain runes are far and beyond the best-in-slot greatly reduces any real specialization, as it is now the only real choices are what Quintessences to run and whether to take AD or ArPen (p.s. which is better lol). Armor Yellows and MR Blues are pretty much non-negotiable, which is boring. On January 16 2014 02:21 Shikyo wrote: Wow, just finished reading the patch notes and that turret change is extremely ugly. Like, really? Couldn't they even try to make it seem like a general change... It makes no sense logic-wise why top and middle turrets would for some reason take less damage than bottom turret, and did they even consider the effect this has on pusher vs roamer in midlane for example, where now you take far longer killing the mid turret when the enemy goes roaming? I think your last point is not true, since Turrets lost armor but gained a resistance to champion autos. So potshots on the tower when the enemy is there will take much longer to kill it, but if your enemy leaves and you push to tower with a full wave I think it might actually die faster. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 16 2014 00:11 Slayer91 wrote: they are more fun than 2v1's and 1v2's which basically are braindead and then theres the whole aram early pushing thing which is also pretty boring also massively limits champs you can pick for top laner to some tank that's good at 1v2 While I don't disagree, I think it's wrong for Riot to see trying to kill 1v2 as the only solution to this issue. There are a lot of cleaner systemic changes that could be done to make 1v2 safer and more interactive for the 1v2 laner. Since 1v2 became a thing I've been expecting that Riot would probably not explore those options though. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On January 16 2014 02:20 Ketara wrote: So, having now tested this new spirit stone, it's waaaay more regen. Mana problems on Sejuani now completely nonexistant. Can Q every camp. However, interestingly if you try to take lane farm with skills your mana goes down fast. Khazix insane regen now. pots who needs pots | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
On January 16 2014 02:29 TheYango wrote: While I don't disagree, I think it's wrong for Riot to see trying to kill 1v2 as the only solution to this issue. There are a lot of cleaner systemic changes that could be done to make 1v2 safer and more interactive for the 1v2 laner. Since 1v2 became a thing I've been expecting that Riot would probably not explore those options though. yeah but at least this change doesnt really effect much of anything else its just ugly | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On January 16 2014 02:29 TheYango wrote: While I don't disagree, I think it's wrong for Riot to see trying to kill 1v2 as the only solution to this issue. There are a lot of cleaner systemic changes that could be done to make 1v2 safer and more interactive for the 1v2 laner. Since 1v2 became a thing I've been expecting that Riot would probably not explore those options though. Three examples please. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 16 2014 02:34 Slayer91 wrote: yeah but at least this change doesnt really effect much of anything else its just ugly except the incentive to camp bot now that there is the easiest tower/dragon to get if you get a successful gank. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
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