[Patch 4.1] Season 4 Start General Discussion - Page 14

On January 16 2014 03:55 xes wrote:
That's toxic and anti fun. (/joke)

Riot doesn't want the game to be decided by strategic out-of-game choices, i.e. drafting and now hidden summoners. (Not a troll, actually said by Morello). I suspect that's one of the reasons for free wards early, so that you can have safe and stable lvl 1, and also get free vision on enemy movement to counteract 2v1

Basically instead of diversity and volatility they want a "stable" game that isn't actually stable

On January 16 2014 03:50 Ketara wrote:
You know how I'd like them to reduce level 1 vision?

I'd like it if the enemy teams summoner spells didn't come up in the loading screen.

That'd be awesome.

On January 16 2014 04:09 JimmiC wrote:
To people who have played the new patch? Outside of the regen in the jungle anything super noticeable? Shyv players notice big drop? How how about anivia players notice big improvement? Any other observations for us guys stuck at work but curious!

On January 16 2014 03:55 xes wrote:
Basically instead of diversity and volatility they want a "stable" game that isn't actually stable

On January 16 2014 04:19 TheYango wrote:

In which case frequent patching is probably a bigger destabilizing factor than anything else.

On January 16 2014 03:51 Lord Tolkien wrote:

But what exactly does that change besides hitting tab right after you load?

On January 16 2014 04:24 TheYango wrote:
Yeah i know that. My point is that if stability is their aim, then 6 month patch cycles are going to give you a much more stable game than patching every month. That doesn't mean the game is going to be better just because it's "stable".

On January 16 2014 04:33 Ketara wrote:


If you had to actually see a champion on the minimap before you knew their summoners like you do for their items, it'd put more weight on level 1 scouting, and make it easier to do cheesy strategies like that 4 man mid rush that we saw in whatever Korean tournament it was.

On January 16 2014 04:37 Ketara wrote:
I was under the impression that they were going to make jungle camps spawn at 1:30 instead of 1:55, basically accelerating the game by 25 seconds. This would have reduced level 1 vision because trinkets aren't usable till 1:30.

Then they never did that. Kinda awkward.

On January 16 2014 04:33 Ketara wrote:


If you had to actually see a champion on the minimap before you knew their summoners like you do for their items, it'd put more weight on level 1 scouting, and make it easier to do cheesy strategies like that 4 man mid rush that we saw in whatever Korean tournament it was.

On January 16 2014 04:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:

i agree


Regarding early vision: you could reduce the duration of the trinket ward to make it a tactical choice early on, for warding off jungle invades and what not. Currently, though, perhaps reducing the trinket ward to a 30s duration levels 1-6s, and 75s from 6-9, and 120s from 9 onwards may be an acceptable duration.

Don't entirely buy it, but it's possible.


Oh, the APAM strat.

I don't think opening up the room for cheese makes for a fun experience lol.

On January 16 2014 04:37 cLutZ wrote:
1. Do you want smart drafting, outlaning your opponents, then making good objective calls and teamfights to win games.

OR

2. Do you want fog of war and calculated, but still essentially random choices to determine games.

On January 16 2014 04:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:

i agree


Regarding early vision: you could reduce the duration of the trinket ward to make it a tactical choice early on, for warding off jungle invades and what not. Currently, though, perhaps reducing the trinket ward to a 30s duration levels 1-6s, and 75s from 6-9, and 120s from 9 onwards may be an acceptable duration.

Don't entirely buy it, but it's possible.


Oh, the APAM strat.

I don't think opening up the room for cheese makes for a fun experience lol.

On January 16 2014 04:54 TheYango wrote:

The way you present this dichotomy is so biased that it's absurd.