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lega
Canada290 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 15 2014 12:15 beefhamburger wrote: Tell that to Alliance's bot lane that just beat Fnatic's bot lane pretty handedly in lane with Vayne/Thresh vs. Jinx/Leona with minimal outside help. I know it's just one case so far but champs like Vayne/Kog are not as unplayable as you say in the current meta. Supports play a huge role in which ADC is viable in champ select. You watched that game, and still said this? They got the early EXP advantage, and had EXP advantages the entire lane, but were not able to snowball it because they didn't get a kill, didnt get a gigantic CS lead, didnt get an early tower, and didn't draw jungle pressure. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Aka, no. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
WTF they nerfed Ward Sweeper so hard. It used to work like Smoke of Deceit on the minimap where enemy team still had vision of the map in the corner, but now using it returns the Fog of War to enemy team. Makes it impossible to use it to gank now. Anyone good enough to see you coming through a ward will go "oh shit, someone sweeping that ward..." better run. Huuge nerf. Why even bother having it "disable" wards if you don't gain the benefit from the ward being disabled? | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On January 15 2014 08:01 Gahlo wrote: Yup, Rengar doesn't have a sloq/snare at all. What's so hard about autoing somebody within 2 second of hitting Q? Riot has said they've got nerfs for Ziggs coming, they just didn't have time to test them before this patch got finalized. Probably put that in the "X champion was gutted never gonna see pro play" again but then he gets plenty of pro play cause its really not a huge deal pile. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
nidalee is like the overpowered hero in league right now among competent players, she ws 100% pick/ban for the longest time in group stage ogn and im not 100% sure on the numbers but i believe she is still the highest pick/ban rate in ogn after semifinals. edit: 18 out of 21 in bracket stages; main outlier is skt vs kt where 2 out of 3 games did not feature a nidalee, primarily due to ryu/kt not particularly favoring nidalee picks and skt choosing not to ban as a response nidalee has 35 appearances in group stages compare with: 11 for Mundo (12 in group stages) 19 for shyvana (25 in group stages) 18 for gragas (23 in group stages) 3 for ziggs (all in ozone/shield series, 0 in group stage) lol yea lets nerf ziggs he's so overpowered fucking idiots 21 for kassadin (19 in group stages) | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
2) Shyvana nerfs hit her where they need to, tbh. Letting teams pick her for her late game massive AOE dmgz is fine, but weakening her early game simply opens her up to counterplay. 3) Yasuo functionality improvements and R buff, oh man. Don't get me wrong, the functionality and responsiveness improvements are awesome, but... 4) Nerfs to SV and sunfire, ooooooh. Good needed nerfs, definitely weakens tanky top laners (and Mundo/Shy especially). They're probably seeing how these item changes affect the meta before rolling out any direct Mundo nerfs. 5) Spirit Stone changes are extremely interesting. Ketarah halp, mathcraft this for me pls too lazy. But they do go towards what Riot wants, aka more camp clearing. 6) The change of the early armor/MR buff to a 20 dmg reduction on champ auto attack is VERY interesting. Improves the power of minion waves in pushing down turrets (they were previously pretty damn pitiful early on). Also too lazy/tired to calc out the actual net effect on early game tower pushes. Neutral on this change. Regarding the burden of knowledge, they likely feel this change is acceptable now that turrets have inventory which lists their specific mechanics. 7) I'm actually pretty much in agreement with most of the other champ changes. They're small but move things in the right direction. On January 15 2014 07:58 Doctorbeat wrote: Rengar getting dumpstered. Assassinating people out of the blue was all he was good for. He doesn't have CC or anything... Also Shyv getting nerfed but not Mundo or Ziggs? He's got amazing synergy with several champions. Rengar is the best ball delivery system for Orianna ever. On January 15 2014 13:23 cLutZ wrote: If both Annie and Tibbers aren't instagibbed. Aka, no. Still makes her late game better/more interesting (her more relevant combo cooldown is flash regardless), and balancing out a needed early game nerf to her stun.Something just under a 30% nerf to the stun duration early pre-6. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On January 15 2014 13:57 Lord Tolkien wrote: 1) I KNEW RIVEN's E DIDN'T GET NERFED YET. 2) Shyvana nerfs hit her where they need to, tbh. Letting teams pick her for her late game massive AOE dmgz is fine, but weakening her early game simply opens her up to counterplay. 3) Yasuo functionality improvements and R buff, oh man. Don't get me wrong, the functionality and responsiveness improvements are awesome, but... 4) Nerfs to SV and sunfire, ooooooh. Good needed nerfs, definitely weakens tanky top laners (and Mundo/Shy especially). They're probably seeing how these item changes affect the meta before rolling out any direct Mundo nerfs. 5) Spirit Stone changes are extremely interesting. Ketarah halp, mathcraft this for me pls too lazy. But they do go towards what Riot wants, aka more camp clearing. 6) The change of the early armor/MR buff to a 20 dmg reduction on champ auto attack is VERY interesting. Improves the power of minion waves in pushing down turrets (they were previously pretty damn pitiful early on). Also too lazy/tired to calc out the actual net effect on early game tower pushes. Neutral on this change. Regarding the burden of knowledge, they likely feel this change is acceptable now that turrets have inventory which lists their specific mechanics. 7) I'm actually pretty much in agreement with most of the other champ changes. They're small but move things in the right direction. He's got amazing synergy with several champions. Rengar is the best ball delivery system for Orianna ever. Still makes her late game better/more interesting (her more relevant combo cooldown is flash regardless), and balancing out a needed early game nerf to her stun.Something just under a 30% nerf to the stun duration early pre-6. sunfire nerfs hardly meaningful, the spirit visage nerf is pretty big though. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On January 15 2014 14:01 arb wrote: sunfire nerfs hardly meaningful, the spirit visage nerf is pretty big though. Sunfire nerfs are decently impactful, actually. Slows Sunfire clearing, the incidental sunfire damage, and weakens it's early game presence (which is when you primarily bought it for anyways, given it fell off late) and purchase as an early tanky/pseudo damage item. Will definitely compete with Randuins for a first armor item buy. SV affects its cost-effectiveness and slot efficiency, and similarly encourages switching over to Banshees in previous edge cases, but it's still the go-to for tanky top laners. And besides, SV was "comparably" just better than Sunfire. People almost never bought Banshees when they needed MR, while people did at least consider the other armor item choices. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On January 15 2014 13:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: nidalee is like the overpowered hero in league right now among competent players, she ws 100% pick/ban for the longest time in group stage ogn and im not 100% sure on the numbers but i believe she is still the highest pick/ban rate in ogn after semifinals. edit: 18 out of 21 in bracket stages; main outlier is skt vs kt where 2 out of 3 games did not feature a nidalee, primarily due to ryu/kt not particularly favoring nidalee picks and skt choosing not to ban as a response nidalee has 35 appearances in group stages compare with: 11 for Mundo (12 in group stages) 19 for shyvana (25 in group stages) 3 for ziggs (all in ozone/shield series, 0 in group stage) lol yea lets nerf ziggs he's so overpowered fucking idiots 21 for kassadin (19 in group stages) oh i lied elise is actually the highest with 21/42 in bracket/group point stands nidalee is a fucking stupid hero and should be deleted actually all heroes with two sets of abilities should be deleted | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On January 15 2014 14:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: oh i lied elise is actually the highest with 21/42 in bracket/group point stands nidalee is a fucking stupid hero and should be deleted actually all heroes with two sets of abilities should be deleted *champion is the riot-approved terminology also please refer to the QQ thread when expressing such toxic opinions | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On January 15 2014 14:10 Kupon3ss wrote: *champion is the riot-approved terminology also please refer to the QQ thread when expressing such toxic opinions kindly go kill yourself thanks On January 15 2014 14:10 FinestHour wrote: yo so is that mmr reset formula that people said about diving by 2 accurate representation for this week or nah what no dividing by 2 would make no sense you'd need like 3k elo to be gold after reset when people who are like high gold - plat still get reset to gold judging from past seasons maybe if you set 1200 as 0 it might be close but i dont think that's the exact formula also i think they hinted that the formula they're using this season is gonna be slightly different from what they used last season not like you'll ever see your mmr at this rate anyways so its doesnt really matter | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 15 2014 13:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: nidalee is like the overpowered hero in league right now among competent players, she ws 100% pick/ban for the longest time in group stage ogn and im not 100% sure on the numbers but i believe she is still the highest pick/ban rate in ogn after semifinals. edit: 18 out of 21 in bracket stages; main outlier is skt vs kt where 2 out of 3 games did not feature a nidalee, primarily due to ryu/kt not particularly favoring nidalee picks and skt choosing not to ban as a response nidalee has 35 appearances in group stages compare with: 11 for Mundo (12 in group stages) 19 for shyvana (25 in group stages) 18 for gragas (23 in group stages) 3 for ziggs (all in ozone/shield series, 0 in group stage) lol yea lets nerf ziggs he's so overpowered fucking idiots 21 for kassadin (19 in group stages) what are the numbers for post 3.14? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Here's some bad math for you then. Old spirit stone gives 7 mana per 5 seconds, or 1.4 mana per second. New spirit stone gives 4% of damage dealt to monsters as mana regen, halved for AoE. For that to be 1.4 mana per second, you need to be doing at least 35 DPS. Any champion in the game should be doing more than that just with autoattacks at level 1. So basically, as long as you are clearing camps, it is way more regen. Also worth noting Smite will give you a burst heal of like 50-100 HP, depending on level. Good to remember when you're fighting in the jungle. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
no idea idr when they switched and im too lazy to figur eit out i got those numbers by ctrl + fing leagupedia the point is nidalee is a fucking stupid hero and is bullshit and is waaaay more of a "problem" than mundo or ziggs (rofl) or nasus or whoever else it is people like to cry about maybe about par with kass and shyvana | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On January 15 2014 14:11 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: kindly go kill yourself thanks what no dividing by 2 would make no sense you'd need like 3k elo to be gold after reset when people who are like high gold - plat still get reset to gold judging from past seasons maybe if you set 1200 as 0 it might be close but i dont think that's the exact formula also i think they hinted that the formula they're using this season is gonna be slightly different from what they used last season not like you'll ever see your mmr at this rate anyways so its doesnt really matter it was like original plus 1200 divided by 2? i just forgot the actual thing lol but if they are changing and making new formula then w/e all good was just curious if they actually posted the actual thing anywhere | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 15 2014 14:15 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: no idea idr when they switched and im too lazy to figur eit out i got those numbers by ctrl + fing leagupedia the point is nidalee is a fucking stupid hero and is bullshit and is waaaay more of a "problem" than mundo or ziggs (rofl) or nasus or whoever else it is people like to cry about maybe about par with kass and shyvana She's strong cuz she's a dedicated niche, the ultimate poke champ. Don't think much will change unless they completely gimp her main spell (spear throw). | ||
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