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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 10 2014 19:45 GMT
#4601
On February 11 2014 04:30 Fusilero wrote:
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On February 11 2014 04:27 Ketara wrote:
Urgot probably cries in his corner more than Amumu at this point. I guess they're going to rework him or whatever.

Part of the reason why I like Urgot is because I think his kit is really unique and cool, so the idea of a rework makes me sad. They're going to rework him to not be as unique and then he won't be cool anymore.

If urgot gets reworked RIP yellowpete's career/ his major comeback.

yellowpete's career was RIP'd the second rito hit urgot's kit with the rapehammer of nerf.

Now only a broken shell remains.
(both of urgot and yellowpete)
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 19:48:08
February 10 2014 19:46 GMT
#4602
I want lux to be popular again because I had just oh so much fun when I was spamming release zed vs all the luxes.
The days of no one banning zed in conjunction of lux's popularity early in S3 was truly the greatest thing.
Glorious SEA doto
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 10 2014 19:54 GMT
#4603
If we're talking "elegant" design, really Riot just needs to go back and review some of the rules in the game that were added for reasons that were only specifically relevant at the time and now have no meaning because the way people play the game has changed. The prime example of this is the oft-referred to XP bonus for two champs sharing lane XP. The only reason this existed was to attempt to make 2-1-2 viable, but this is no longer a design goal. As it stands now, there's not really a good reason for it to stay in the game.

Honestly, most of the weird armor pen/damage scaling rules for tower damage probably fall under this category. They were made to address "issues" where people felt ganks/sieges were not punishing enough against a team that chose to dive the tower, but honestly the way people execute those things has changed so drastically since those rules were added in the first place that if you stripped all of those out and just simplified tower damage to be as simple as possible, it would probably be fine.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
February 10 2014 20:02 GMT
#4604
On February 11 2014 04:35 cLutZ wrote:
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On February 11 2014 04:30 Ketara wrote:
On February 11 2014 04:29 Alaric wrote:
Lux can go die in the fiery pits of hell. With Anivia. And Riven. And Elise. I should make a list sometimes, so I can express it as a % of the total champ pool.


WTF why does Lux belong in that list. Is it the laugh?


He hates waveclear, or Froggen (distinguishing between the two is impossible).

He's a part of Campaign to End Minion Genocide. Anivia post-6 is basically Hitler.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 10 2014 20:04 GMT
#4605
On February 11 2014 05:02 GrandInquisitor wrote:
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On February 11 2014 04:35 cLutZ wrote:
On February 11 2014 04:30 Ketara wrote:
On February 11 2014 04:29 Alaric wrote:
Lux can go die in the fiery pits of hell. With Anivia. And Riven. And Elise. I should make a list sometimes, so I can express it as a % of the total champ pool.


WTF why does Lux belong in that list. Is it the laugh?


He hates waveclear, or Froggen (distinguishing between the two is impossible).

He's a part of Campaign to End Minion Genocide. Anivia post-6 is basically Hitler.

But Karthus can do that from level 1...
liftlift > tsm
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 10 2014 20:08 GMT
#4606
On February 11 2014 03:41 wei2coolman wrote:
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On February 11 2014 03:33 Ketara wrote:
Last patch they buffed turret armor from only lasting 8 minutes to being permanent and wei said it was too big a buff, inelegant and a bad change.

So now they bring the turret armor back to only 8 mins and wei says that is also inelegant and a bad change.

Good to see TLGD alive and well.


First it was having turret armor increased for early game only, was inelegant. Adds odd conditional change based on time that isn't intuitive. Everything else in the game gets stronger as the game goes on (minions/baron/dragon/champions/jungle camps), but for turrets to do the opposite is not intuitive to the rest of the game design.

2nd change was to remove bonus armor, to add -20 auto attack dmg to top and middle turret only. Reduction of flat damage is not intuitive, since it's another layer of calculation. Also added map asymmetry, specifically designed to lower specific strategy.

3rd, now adding another layer of complexity by making the damage reduction time based.

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On February 11 2014 03:35 Slayer91 wrote:
elegant to someone who knows it well, not to the average person
you could consider the tower changes elegant because they fix problems without affecting gameplay directly simply altering the defensive advantage.

Effectiveness != elegant

reminds me of kids writing code using full of if/and statements.
sure it worked.
but sure as fuck wasn't pretty to read.


elegance of code basically has a lot to do with its efficiency though.
in terms of game functionality having inelegant changes like this doesn't really negatively affect gameplay.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 10 2014 20:27 GMT
#4607
--- Nuked ---
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
February 10 2014 20:35 GMT
#4608
On February 11 2014 04:29 Alaric wrote:
Lux can go die in the fiery pits of hell. With Anivia. And Riven. And Elise. I should make a list sometimes, so I can express it as a % of the total champ pool.

Only person dying in a fiery pit of hell here is you. However, you'll get to listen to Lux laughter for all eternity <3 <3 Also, you are clearly tsundere for lux.

On January 30 2012 09:22 Alaric wrote:
Holy balls, tried Lux for the first time since I bought her friday
She's really a lot of fun


Fusi can join you though for this.

On February 11 2014 04:46 Fusilero wrote:
I want lux to be popular again because I had just oh so much fun when I was spamming release zed vs all the luxes.
The days of no one banning zed in conjunction of lux's popularity early in S3 was truly the greatest thing.

Moderator。◕‿◕。
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 20:37:06
February 10 2014 20:35 GMT
#4609
Hey, you grave-digger!
At the time I was still playing stuff like Morgana, Swain, Irelia. Lux was somewhat close to Morgana in how she relied on skillshots, and I was freshly 30 so not playing at the same level (I enjoyed skillshots a bunch, reason why I preferred Sivir or Ezreal as AD carries).

Now? I just reroll when I get Nidalee or Lux in ARAM.

On February 11 2014 04:39 nafta wrote:
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On February 11 2014 04:36 Alaric wrote:
She's boring as heck to play against with my own pool of champs, once she gets chalice she can go PvE—and most of the ones I played against did (since they don't know how stuff like Viktor works or what Pantheon can actually do so they get wrecked before their first back).

On February 11 2014 04:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 11 2014 04:27 Ketara wrote:
Urgot probably cries in his corner more than Amumu at this point. I guess they're going to rework him or whatever.

Part of the reason why I like Urgot is because I think his kit is really unique and cool, so the idea of a rework makes me sad. They're going to rework him to not be as unique and then he won't be cool anymore.

That sure sounds like that's a complaint about Riot's design philosophy behind champions.

I read that more as a tentative hipster impersonation.

Almost every non assassin mid laner can do this.In fact lux is not that good at it because her e can't os the ranged and has a long cd.

The important part is "with my own pool of champs". ;p
Realistically, Lux and Anivia are still way better match-ups for Viktor than Zed or LeBlanc (who hopelessly crush him) or Diana, but I didn't see them as much, nor have they been around for as long, plus just because you have to try to stay alive (compared to "get hit by the 10th stray binding thrown randomly from 1100 range away and die") it makes them more interesting to play out.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
February 10 2014 20:44 GMT
#4610
Lux definitely in the list of top ten list of champs who can go die in a hole. It was a crap time to be a mid laner when she was super popular.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 20:50:16
February 10 2014 20:49 GMT
#4611
NA pach nerts, cut the lights.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-42-notes
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
February 10 2014 20:57 GMT
#4612
they change flash ingame now? I dont like this.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 10 2014 20:57 GMT
#4613
i have a strong feeling skarner will be ridiculously op after the patch.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 10 2014 20:58 GMT
#4614
Journal of Justice
Since the Journal of Justice has been out of publication for a while now, we're removing its link from the client. While the JoJ will be missed, we're exploring future storytelling methods for League of Legends.
The lore tab (aka the feather) has been removed from the front of the LoL client


Damn. I knew it'd happen eventually, but RIP Riot's lore department ;;
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
February 10 2014 21:03 GMT
#4615
On February 11 2014 05:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
Journal of Justice
Since the Journal of Justice has been out of publication for a while now, we're removing its link from the client. While the JoJ will be missed, we're exploring future storytelling methods for League of Legends.
The lore tab (aka the feather) has been removed from the front of the LoL client


Damn. I knew it'd happen eventually, but RIP Riot's lore department ;;

Seriously. They've been "exploring future storytelling methods" for close to 2 years now.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
February 10 2014 21:04 GMT
#4616
On February 11 2014 05:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
Journal of Justice
Since the Journal of Justice has been out of publication for a while now, we're removing its link from the client. While the JoJ will be missed, we're exploring future storytelling methods for League of Legends.
The lore tab (aka the feather) has been removed from the front of the LoL client


Damn. I knew it'd happen eventually, but RIP Riot's lore department ;;

dead game. no reason to play anymore without the complex and interesting lore of the League.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
February 10 2014 21:04 GMT
#4617
In before darkness
Administrator@TL_Zess
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 10 2014 21:06 GMT
#4618
On February 11 2014 06:03 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 05:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Journal of Justice
Since the Journal of Justice has been out of publication for a while now, we're removing its link from the client. While the JoJ will be missed, we're exploring future storytelling methods for League of Legends.
The lore tab (aka the feather) has been removed from the front of the LoL client


Damn. I knew it'd happen eventually, but RIP Riot's lore department ;;

Seriously. They've been "exploring future storytelling methods" for close to 2 years now.

It mostly amounts to fairly cool splashes for the login screen
Glorious SEA doto
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
February 10 2014 21:06 GMT
#4619
i think they gave up on lore when they started to rewrite the champions backgrounds.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 10 2014 21:06 GMT
#4620
I wasn't aware statik shiv crit proc'd independently of auto attacks before. Don't think it'll change too much, but nice clean change, also, thank god for that Perseverance change.
liftlift > tsm
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