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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
January 14 2014 23:01 GMT
#21
On January 15 2014 07:58 Doctorbeat wrote:
Rengar getting dumpstered.

Assassinating people out of the blue was all he was good for. He doesn't have CC or anything...

Also Shyv getting nerfed but not Mundo or Ziggs?

Yup, Rengar doesn't have a sloq/snare at all. What's so hard about autoing somebody within 2 second of hitting Q?

Riot has said they've got nerfs for Ziggs coming, they just didn't have time to test them before this patch got finalized.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 14 2014 23:03 GMT
#22
On January 15 2014 08:00 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 07:55 Kiett wrote:
''Hey, we noticed that hockey players prefer advancing and attacking from the leftfield's side, since they're mostly lefties themself, so we poured some sand there to make it harder.''

From reddit. Gave me a laugh.

Riot why :/

Haha that about sums up my feelings on these changes. Riot just weirdly hates pre-15 minute towers it seems.

I've been saying it for months with the s4 changes : riot should just put everybody at lvl11 and with 8k gold at the start of the game and call it a day.
The legend of Darien lives on
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
January 14 2014 23:03 GMT
#23
Or maybe riot realized that nerfing ziggs would be fucking stupid

TranslatorBaa!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 14 2014 23:05 GMT
#24
This is a pretty neat idea though
We’ve introduced a stable roster of free champions for new players to play. Our goal is to improve the way players learn to play League of Legends when they’re first starting out. These champions were picked because of how easy they can be learned and how enjoyable most new players find them.

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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5181 Posts
January 14 2014 23:06 GMT
#25
Horrible changes. Fuck riot meta control
Taxes are for Terrans
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 14 2014 23:09 GMT
#26
The balance changes seem ok overall but those tower changes man...If they hate early tower pushes why not just give the damage reduction to all towers? :[
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
January 14 2014 23:10 GMT
#27
I'd hate the tower change less if it affected bot lane too. Now it's just magically weaker for no reason.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
January 14 2014 23:10 GMT
#28
So a bunch of nerfs, buffs, items changes and again shitty turret tweaking. That's season 4 ?
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 23:21:31
January 14 2014 23:21 GMT
#29
On January 15 2014 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 07:48 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Outer turrets no longer gain bonus armor and magic resist for the first eight minutes of the game.
Top and middle lane outer turrets now have 20 damage reduction from champion basic attacks


I usually believe that Riot knows what they're doing, but this change is just horrifying. I cannot imagine a more inelegant solution.


Basically it will be impossible to take turrets until like 15-20 minutes in.


I want to make a thread where we catalogue things people say between when patch notes come out and the actual patch is released that turn out to be nonsensical in hindsight.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 23:26:36
January 14 2014 23:25 GMT
#30
On January 15 2014 08:21 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
On January 15 2014 07:48 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Outer turrets no longer gain bonus armor and magic resist for the first eight minutes of the game.
Top and middle lane outer turrets now have 20 damage reduction from champion basic attacks


I usually believe that Riot knows what they're doing, but this change is just horrifying. I cannot imagine a more inelegant solution.


Basically it will be impossible to take turrets until like 15-20 minutes in.


I want to make a thread where we catalogue things people say between when patch notes come out and the actual patch is released that turn out to be nonsensical in hindsight.

Then do it. Call it "Vaporized's theory thread" or something like that.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 14 2014 23:27 GMT
#31
On January 15 2014 08:25 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 08:21 Ketara wrote:
On January 15 2014 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
On January 15 2014 07:48 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Outer turrets no longer gain bonus armor and magic resist for the first eight minutes of the game.
Top and middle lane outer turrets now have 20 damage reduction from champion basic attacks


I usually believe that Riot knows what they're doing, but this change is just horrifying. I cannot imagine a more inelegant solution.


Basically it will be impossible to take turrets until like 15-20 minutes in.


I want to make a thread where we catalogue things people say between when patch notes come out and the actual patch is released that turn out to be nonsensical in hindsight.

Then do it. Call it "Vaporized's theory thread" or something like that.

I just wanna be credited when they change starting gold to 8k.
The legend of Darien lives on
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
January 14 2014 23:33 GMT
#32
On January 15 2014 08:27 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2014 08:25 Gahlo wrote:
On January 15 2014 08:21 Ketara wrote:
On January 15 2014 07:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
On January 15 2014 07:48 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Outer turrets no longer gain bonus armor and magic resist for the first eight minutes of the game.
Top and middle lane outer turrets now have 20 damage reduction from champion basic attacks


I usually believe that Riot knows what they're doing, but this change is just horrifying. I cannot imagine a more inelegant solution.


Basically it will be impossible to take turrets until like 15-20 minutes in.


I want to make a thread where we catalogue things people say between when patch notes come out and the actual patch is released that turn out to be nonsensical in hindsight.

Then do it. Call it "Vaporized's theory thread" or something like that.

I just wanna be credited when they change starting gold to 8k.

"We've noticed that a lot of League of Legends players have been using gold to purchase items. This often leads to a situation where champions who get kills and CS have the potential to gain a huge advantage and snowball. To mitigate this, we have disabled the ability to buy items for the first 40 minutes of the game. Additionally, champions will no longer gain EXP from killing minions, jungle creeps, or other champions."

My thoughts on Riot's balancing mentality.
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clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
January 14 2014 23:43 GMT
#33
what I dislike the most is their streamlining mentality. now they nerf annies early game strength which make her an interesting pick. the turret change illustrates that they want too much control over how the game is played and strategy evolution.
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Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
January 14 2014 23:57 GMT
#34
Pretty good changes. Should have hit Mundo and Ziggs too.

I dont care what the changes to towers are as long as I never have to face a 1on2 lane again. Just not fun.

Also lol calling Annie an interesting pick.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
January 15 2014 00:06 GMT
#35
Wait, where are the Kassadin nerfs?
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
January 15 2014 00:10 GMT
#36
nerfing eve dmg isn't going to change the fact that vision in s4 is buttfuck stupid.

On January 15 2014 07:56 Slayer91 wrote:
hocky players are lefties?


most players who shoot left are righthanded
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 15 2014 00:13 GMT
#37
Dafuq happened to DARKNESSSSSS
Neo pls
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
January 15 2014 00:17 GMT
#38
On January 15 2014 09:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dafuq happened to DARKNESSSSSS
Neo pls


I think we have a hostile takeover by Diana.
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Rijot
Profile Joined July 2013
137 Posts
January 15 2014 00:21 GMT
#39
Riots determination to force a certain meta was one of the reasons I quit the game although I still watch it from time to time. I don't even know what to say about the tower changes...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-15 00:25:39
January 15 2014 00:25 GMT
#40
Eh, MoonBear needs an edit to get it in though. Still room to improve.
(I wonder if he noticed it's almost full moon this week?)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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