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On December 18 2013 04:33 NeoIllusions wrote:[*] @cLutZ: To single you for one of your posts today because not only did it rub me the wrong way but because it is also bad posting, please actually support what you say. If you think Zac is a design failure, then explain why. He was certainly not a failure in the beginning considering how dominant he was in NA and EU LCS (especially in NA as Meteos using Zac as a lynchpin for a number of C9's comps). He fell after after spring split but that's for various other reasons but certainly not because it was a failure in design. Other than that, I encourage everyone to be cordial to your fellow TL LoL users and have a good time this holiday season.
I read ClutZ's point was that Zac was a design failure because he was comically overpowered, his kit gave him too much with the hp regen, damage scaling from defensive items and the initiation range + GA passive. I don't think anyone thought Zac was too weak over the spring. Seems like a legit critique, especially given current Renekton, Shyv, Mundo, Rengar and the resourceless revolution.
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That's a pretty big Nasus nerf, Wither range in ultimate down to 500 from 800. Might be the biggest range nerf ever.
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On December 18 2013 04:41 Haiq343 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 04:33 NeoIllusions wrote:[*] @cLutZ: To single you for one of your posts today because not only did it rub me the wrong way but because it is also bad posting, please actually support what you say. If you think Zac is a design failure, then explain why. He was certainly not a failure in the beginning considering how dominant he was in NA and EU LCS (especially in NA as Meteos using Zac as a lynchpin for a number of C9's comps). He fell after after spring split but that's for various other reasons but certainly not because it was a failure in design. Other than that, I encourage everyone to be cordial to your fellow TL LoL users and have a good time this holiday season. I read ClutZ's point was that Zac was a design failure because he was comically overpowered, his kit gave him too much with the hp regen, damage scaling from defensive items and the initiation range + GA passive. I don't think anyone thought Zac was too weak over the spring. Seems like a legit critique, especially given current Renekton, Shyv, Mundo, Rengar and the resourceless revolution.
Well the way I read it was that he was saying was that a champion that is resourceless, free hp regen and amazing initiation is too hard to balance to be considered a design succes.
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On December 18 2013 04:43 Alzadar wrote:
That's a pretty big Nasus nerf, Wither range in ultimate down to 500 from 800. Might be the biggest range nerf ever.
? The range on Wither is 700, this just puts it back to how it was before the Ult buff a few patches back.
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he gains 100 spell range during ult, they are taking that away.
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On December 18 2013 04:49 turdburgler wrote:
he gains 100 spell range during ult, they are taking that away.
Right, but it'll be 700 now, not 500. It was that way prior to February, as well, just reverted that change.
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On December 18 2013 04:43 Alzadar wrote:
That's a pretty big Nasus nerf, Wither range in ultimate down to 500 from 800. Might be the biggest range nerf ever.
*during ult
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On December 18 2013 04:51 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 04:49 turdburgler wrote:
he gains 100 spell range during ult, they are taking that away. Right, but it'll be 700 now, not 500. It was that way prior to February, as well, just reverted that change.
The second listed change for Nasus (after removing ultimate ability range increase) is a Wither range reduction from 700 to 500.
Also WTF at the new Van Damm's Pillager, it is exactly Infinity Edge except it costs more? Must be a mistake.
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On December 18 2013 04:51 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 04:49 turdburgler wrote:
he gains 100 spell range during ult, they are taking that away. Right, but it'll be 700 now, not 500. It was that way prior to February, as well, just reverted that change.
they are also taking 200 range away from wither at all times.
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Holy fucking shit they just GUTTED Riven oO
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On December 18 2013 04:53 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 04:51 Requizen wrote:On December 18 2013 04:49 turdburgler wrote:
he gains 100 spell range during ult, they are taking that away. Right, but it'll be 700 now, not 500. It was that way prior to February, as well, just reverted that change. The second listed change for Nasus (after removing ultimate ability range increase) is a Wither range reduction from 700 to 500. Also WTF at the new Van Damm's Pillager, it is exactly Infinity Edge except it costs more? Must be a mistake.
Oh, my bad, I didn't even see that one. Wow, that's pretty horrible.
Well, then again, Wither is (in my opinion) one of the strongest bruiser CCs in the game, even after the slow nerf, so it may or may not be warranted.
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On December 18 2013 04:52 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 04:43 Alzadar wrote:
That's a pretty big Nasus nerf, Wither range in ultimate down to 500 from 800. Might be the biggest range nerf ever. *during ult
wither range in ultimate
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On December 18 2013 04:54 Osmoses wrote:
Holy fucking shit they just GUTTED Riven oO
typical rito balance, completely gut an op champ. im ok with the reduced duration on the shield thats fine whatever. but taking 60 damage off her level 1 combo... why not start with 5 less per hit? or 10? and see where it goes...
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You guys are missing that Q ratio is going from Bonus AD to total AD so she will actually do more damage at level 1. It's actually a buff at all levels unless I'm missing something.
I assume they're going to nerf her ratios on Q later.
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Whoaaaaaa that Riven change. I actually the change to shield is ok considering the stupid cooldown on it but they just took out a lot of dueling power with the Q change.
Also I feel like if I played more these days I'd be sad about doggy change but it may just be justified...Wither IS pretty OP.
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On December 18 2013 05:03 Alzadar wrote:
You guys are missing that Q ratio is going from Bonus AD to total AD so she will actually do more damage at level 1. It's actually a buff at all levels unless I'm missing something.
but unless i cant read theres no actual numbers on that?
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They aren't sure about the numbers, but I think I read that they're trying to create similar damage output from her. So don't worry about Riven being better or worse, they're just toying to find the right numbers.
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On December 18 2013 05:05 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 05:03 Alzadar wrote:
You guys are missing that Q ratio is going from Bonus AD to total AD so she will actually do more damage at level 1. It's actually a buff at all levels unless I'm missing something. but unless i cant read theres no actual numbers on that?
Scarizard said so.
With the lowered base and flipping the ratio from bonus total, it'll be the same endgame and a nerf earlygame.
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On December 18 2013 05:05 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 05:03 Alzadar wrote:
You guys are missing that Q ratio is going from Bonus AD to total AD so she will actually do more damage at level 1. It's actually a buff at all levels unless I'm missing something. but unless i cant read theres no actual numbers on that?
On what? There's no new proposed ratio but for the time being the current ratio is switched to total AD instead of bonus. So as long as Riven has 40/0.75 = 53 base AD (she does, right from level 1), she does more damage on PBE right now than before.
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On December 18 2013 05:07 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 05:05 turdburgler wrote:On December 18 2013 05:03 Alzadar wrote:
You guys are missing that Q ratio is going from Bonus AD to total AD so she will actually do more damage at level 1. It's actually a buff at all levels unless I'm missing something. but unless i cant read theres no actual numbers on that? On what? There's no new proposed ratio but for the time being the current ratio is switched to total AD instead of bonus. So as long as Riven has 40/0.75 = 53 base AD (she does, right from level 1), she does more damage on PBE right now than before.
Sur@20 has a different ratio of .4total, conflicting sources and whatnot.
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