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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 17 2013 19:03 GMT
#1021
You beat draven same way you beat vayne>good supports.Personally I like trist vs everything atm.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
December 17 2013 19:04 GMT
#1022
Maplestreet played a pretty mean draven
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 17 2013 19:06 GMT
#1023
Draven has a really high (imo) specific champion skill cap, I mean to say, Draven mains vs, people playing Draven because OP, are a pretty big difference as opposed to say Corki when Corki was OP.
Carrilord has arrived.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
December 17 2013 19:06 GMT
#1024
On December 18 2013 03:48 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:46 thenexusp wrote:
Wait, you can actually cancel Ezreal's E with Stand Aside? As far as I knew nothing could cancel Arcane Shift since it was an instant blink, not a dash.


it has a cast time, it cannot be done on reaction no, but if you have an ezreal scared as fuck, pop blood rush, throw stand aside and 50% of the time you'll have baited E with the blood rush sound effect.

Every other displacement ability gets canceled by Arcane Shift (ever seen blitz hook just straight-up fail on ez?) so I'm surprised it would work differently for Stand Aside.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
December 17 2013 19:07 GMT
#1025
On December 18 2013 03:59 turdburgler wrote:
well you dont see him in competitive play. but doublelift says

Show nested quote +

Draven is the counter in lane to almost all of the aforementioned champions. He crushes Lucian, Jinx, Sivir, Tristana, and Varus, and this is why he is still a viable pick. If you are a perfect Draven player and never drop an axe, you will still be doing massive damage while being extremely slippery. Blood Rush is the ultimate tool against the OP bruisers right now, and will allow you to kite in otherwise impossible situations.


we've touched on it before but Doublelift isn't exactly renowned for his theorycrafting.

I don't know about Draven/viability/countering Lucian/Jinx/Sivir/etc., and for all I know moemoeliftlift is right, but "Doublelift said so" isn't indicative of much by itself.
TranslatorBaa!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 17 2013 19:07 GMT
#1026
On December 18 2013 04:06 Slusher wrote:
Draven has a really high (imo) specific champion skill cap, I mean to say, Draven mains vs, people playing Draven because OP, are a pretty big difference as opposed to say Corki when Corki was OP.

Draven feels like what chauster said about alistar, he sometimes isn't worth practising because you may just realise you can't play him and just wasted your time. But those that can make it work should be very able to.
Glorious SEA doto
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 17 2013 19:07 GMT
#1027
On December 18 2013 04:06 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:48 Slusher wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:46 thenexusp wrote:
Wait, you can actually cancel Ezreal's E with Stand Aside? As far as I knew nothing could cancel Arcane Shift since it was an instant blink, not a dash.


it has a cast time, it cannot be done on reaction no, but if you have an ezreal scared as fuck, pop blood rush, throw stand aside and 50% of the time you'll have baited E with the blood rush sound effect.

Every other displacement ability gets canceled by Arcane Shift (ever seen blitz hook just straight-up fail on ez?) so I'm surprised it would work differently for Stand Aside.


yea I saw that on the wiki, I'm efforting for clarification, but my source is not online atm.
Carrilord has arrived.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 19:09:29
December 17 2013 19:08 GMT
#1028
On December 18 2013 04:06 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:48 Slusher wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:46 thenexusp wrote:
Wait, you can actually cancel Ezreal's E with Stand Aside? As far as I knew nothing could cancel Arcane Shift since it was an instant blink, not a dash.


it has a cast time, it cannot be done on reaction no, but if you have an ezreal scared as fuck, pop blood rush, throw stand aside and 50% of the time you'll have baited E with the blood rush sound effect.

Every other displacement ability gets canceled by Arcane Shift (ever seen blitz hook just straight-up fail on ez?) so I'm surprised it would work differently for Stand Aside.


There are plenty of times/spells where if you CC Ezreal as he shifts, the E will go on CD and he'll be CC'ed in place. The timing window is tiny though so it's nigh impossible to do it consistently even if you're on LAN with 0 ping, let alone online. Usually it's more accidental I'd say, the timing for CCing him and having him successfully shfit is much larger.
TranslatorBaa!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 17 2013 19:17 GMT
#1029
I wonder if wei2 even played during the so-called Graves/Ezreal/Corki trinity phase. Draven's first rise to popularity after Aphro showed that Draven can be played competently was heavily because of how heavily he shit on Ezreal and Graves and anyone that has actually played the matchups on either side will know how stupidly the lane is favoured for Draven. And if what Doublelift says is right and Draven has a favourable matchup against Lucian/Jinx/Sivir, then Draven's second rise to popularity would happen for similar reasons. I haven't played Draven since the passive nerf though, so idk. I haven't really seen that many in the high level streams either.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
December 17 2013 19:20 GMT
#1030
On December 18 2013 04:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:59 turdburgler wrote:
well you dont see him in competitive play. but doublelift says


Draven is the counter in lane to almost all of the aforementioned champions. He crushes Lucian, Jinx, Sivir, Tristana, and Varus, and this is why he is still a viable pick. If you are a perfect Draven player and never drop an axe, you will still be doing massive damage while being extremely slippery. Blood Rush is the ultimate tool against the OP bruisers right now, and will allow you to kite in otherwise impossible situations.


we've touched on it before but Doublelift isn't exactly renowned for his theorycrafting.

I don't know about Draven/viability/countering Lucian/Jinx/Sivir/etc., and for all I know moemoeliftlift is right, but "Doublelift said so" isn't indicative of much by itself.

doublelift usually speaks from his own experience, which is probably draven shitting on lucian/jinx/sivir/etc. I remember hearing when Graves came out, doublelift thought he was bad but that was because he was maining caitlyn who shits on graves.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 19:22:54
December 17 2013 19:21 GMT
#1031
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/26814-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-12-17-2013-turrets

Nasus/Riven/Shyvana nerfs.

Edit: Riven's ratios are being changed to total from bonus.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 17 2013 19:22 GMT
#1032
i will be the first to admit i dont actually play draven, i just duo with a guy who mains him. so i dont think its fair to instantly say YOU DONT PLAY THE CHAMP? YOU KNOW NOTHING!

and honestly even if you do play the champ unless you are in the lcs its all still up for debate. i like draven right now, i think he is under valued by pros but apparently admitting that i dont play him means you all hate me ;D
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
December 17 2013 19:22 GMT
#1033
On December 18 2013 04:21 Gahlo wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/26814-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-12-17-2013-turrets

Nasus/Riven/Shyvana nerfs.


Why are they making it harder to see stealthed champions?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 17 2013 19:23 GMT
#1034
On December 18 2013 04:22 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:21 Gahlo wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/26814-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-12-17-2013-turrets

Nasus/Riven/Shyvana nerfs.


Why are they making it harder to see stealthed champions?

Yeah, I was about to say, isn't stealth pretty good right now anyway?
It's your boy Guzma!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
December 17 2013 19:24 GMT
#1035
On December 18 2013 04:22 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:21 Gahlo wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/26814-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-12-17-2013-turrets

Nasus/Riven/Shyvana nerfs.


Why are they making it harder to see stealthed champions?

These things never showed stealth units, but people always saw "revealed" and thought they did. Now they are just putting in there "this doesn't count for stealth" so people don't QQ about GAEMBRAKING INSECS on Reddit/GD.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 17 2013 19:24 GMT
#1036
On December 18 2013 04:22 turdburgler wrote:
i will be the first to admit i dont actually play draven, i just duo with a guy who mains him. so i dont think its fair to instantly say YOU DONT PLAY THE CHAMP? YOU KNOW NOTHING!

and honestly even if you do play the champ unless you are in the lcs its all still up for debate. i like draven right now, i think he is under valued by pros but apparently admitting that i dont play him means you all hate me ;D


it's more of a body of work issue.
Carrilord has arrived.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
December 17 2013 19:25 GMT
#1037
On December 18 2013 04:24 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:22 Swords wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:21 Gahlo wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/26814-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-12-17-2013-turrets

Nasus/Riven/Shyvana nerfs.


Why are they making it harder to see stealthed champions?

These things never showed stealth units, but people always saw "revealed" and thought they did. Now they are just putting in there "this doesn't count for stealth" so people don't QQ about GAEMBRAKING INSECS on Reddit/GD.


Ohhhhh! Derp...
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 17 2013 19:26 GMT
#1038
On December 18 2013 04:24 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:22 Swords wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:21 Gahlo wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/26814-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-12-17-2013-turrets

Nasus/Riven/Shyvana nerfs.


Why are they making it harder to see stealthed champions?

These things never showed stealth units, but people always saw "revealed" and thought they did. Now they are just putting in there "this doesn't count for stealth" so people don't QQ about GAEMBRAKING INSECS on Reddit/GD.

Really? I was pretty sure Zap! and Living Artillery did, at least.
It's your boy Guzma!
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 17 2013 19:28 GMT
#1039
On December 18 2013 04:26 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 04:24 Gahlo wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:22 Swords wrote:
On December 18 2013 04:21 Gahlo wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/26814-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-12-17-2013-turrets

Nasus/Riven/Shyvana nerfs.


Why are they making it harder to see stealthed champions?

These things never showed stealth units, but people always saw "revealed" and thought they did. Now they are just putting in there "this doesn't count for stealth" so people don't QQ about GAEMBRAKING INSECS on Reddit/GD.

Really? I was pretty sure Zap! and Living Artillery did, at least.


Zap! did on release but it was said to be a bug and fixed in the patch where she was nerfed.
Carrilord has arrived.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 17 2013 19:33 GMT
#1040
I just want to interject really quickly in this morning's discussions in General Discussion since I've had a few users PM and Skype me about topics in here and the quality of posts lately.

  • Coming with the new year, TL LoL will be revamping the rules of GD and they will be more stringent than before. For our long time TL veterans, consider this a little of what Chill did to BW Strategy several years ago. It's fine if you have questions or suggestions/advice but have some basis for what you post in GD. For most posters, I think we have a good idea on who is a good authority on what (e.g. Scip on Junglers, Atrioc on assassins and mids, etc). That doesn't means that only diamond players can instigate discussion but have more than an idea. Experience goes a long way.

  • @wei2coolman: Not to single you out in particular here (because I get the impression that you're a good guy, not belligerent, etc) but you have become very notorious about posting stuff that you obviously don't have much knowledge about, most recently about Draven. Draven is an immense lane bully and Ezreal is a very weak pick into him. As turdburgler mentioned, ganks are the best way to deal with Draven because in short, he only has one direction and that's forward.
    Draven has no escapes and it's far easier to catch axes offensively than defensively. Long range ADCs like Cait and Jinx will help. I am positive that Draven shits on Sivir (and Ezreal) but I don't know about how he does against Lucian (see: I speak about what I know for certain and let other posters contribute about areas I know less about, etc etc).

  • @cLutZ: To single you for one of your posts today because not only did it rub me the wrong way but because it is also bad posting, please actually support what you say. If you think Zac is a design failure, then explain why. He was certainly not a failure in the beginning considering how dominant he was in NA and EU LCS (especially in NA as Meteos using Zac as a lynchpin for a number of C9's comps). He fell after after spring split but that's for various other reasons but certainly not because it was a failure in design.


Other than that, I encourage everyone to be cordial to your fellow TL LoL users and have a good time this holiday season.
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