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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 17 2013 18:28 GMT
#981
well this conversation got mean awful quick ;D
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 17 2013 18:28 GMT
#982
On December 18 2013 03:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:24 nafta wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:16 nafta wrote:
What is this always pushing lane?You can simply last hit with q.

Draven is hard counter to ez wtf are you smoking and it is 50/50 vs cait.

Ez can farm out lane, and just turn it into farm lane. And then when it comes to teamfights Ez should be doing better due to how he's able to kite out the fights.

Ez can farm only with q.He cant go near the wave at all unless his support is stronger.Getting outfarmed and enemy ad doing more damage than you doesnt really sound like a counter to me.

I dunno, from what I see, Ez's are never forced to engage onto Dravens, nor are they ever forced into a fight with draven in lane.
For the most part Ez can farm under turret just fine, and then be more useful in teamfights.
Just one of those things of Ez can lose lane by 20 cs and not feed a kill, but be the same relevance in teamfights as draven, just cuz ez's kit allows him to do so.

Wei2Ezrealman, do you play either champion?
God Bless
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 18:30:11
December 17 2013 18:29 GMT
#983
On December 18 2013 03:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:25 Roffles wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:16 nafta wrote:
What is this always pushing lane?You can simply last hit with q.

Draven is hard counter to ez wtf are you smoking and it is 50/50 vs cait.

Ez can farm out lane, and just turn it into farm lane. And then when it comes to teamfights Ez should be doing better due to how he's able to kite out the fights.

wei2dravenman, have you ever played Draven?

No, but supported for dravens quite a few times, while duo queuing with my friend.

Good, stop talking then.
God Bless
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 18:32:06
December 17 2013 18:31 GMT
#984
On December 18 2013 03:29 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:27 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:25 Roffles wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:16 nafta wrote:
What is this always pushing lane?You can simply last hit with q.

Draven is hard counter to ez wtf are you smoking and it is 50/50 vs cait.

Ez can farm out lane, and just turn it into farm lane. And then when it comes to teamfights Ez should be doing better due to how he's able to kite out the fights.

wei2dravenman, have you ever played Draven?

No, but supported for dravens quite a few times, while duo queuing with my friend.

Good, stop talking then.

Should change your quote while you're at it too.
On December 18 2013 03:25 Slusher wrote:
how the fuck is Ez supposed to man fight Draven? the only way he can "force Draven to farm it out" is if he rushes BT which is a victory in itself vs. Ez, I'll take BT Draven over BT Ez any day of the week for the first dragon and or tower siege.

spoilers if you predict his e timing you can put it on cd with stand aside if it hits during the cast, which is a dead Ezreal 90% of the time.

Hnggg, did not know about this.
liftlift > tsm
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
December 17 2013 18:31 GMT
#985
Do you just E away every time Draven bloodrushes towards you or something? What kind of ezreal are you playing that isn't just a complete slave to draven in lane
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 17 2013 18:31 GMT
#986
Here's a question to you wei2craftman:

How does Ezreal farm? Are you suggesting he pussies out and only farms with Q while getting zoned from the rest of the wave because he "doesn't have to engage Draven"?
God Bless
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 18:34:26
December 17 2013 18:32 GMT
#987
On December 18 2013 03:24 turdburgler wrote:
ive always seen ezreal as an easy match up because draven can harras from inside the creep wave and ezreal is mechanically harder to play than draven, so draven has the upper hand if you arent lift "im literally perfect" lift.


Say what now? Ezreal is super easy and relaxing to play. Playing Draven stresses me out more than any other champion, he's got so much shit going on between the axe-catching and the W resets. Seriously I don't play Draven cause he gives me strokes.
I am the Town Medic.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
December 17 2013 18:33 GMT
#988
The point is really that Draven outdamages by Ezreal by a landslide, and that anyone who has regularly played them at a reasonable level (read: even Diamond will suffice) will know this. Ezreal has mobility, but will get wrecked by Draven in trades so you're straight up wrong about Ezreal either winning lane or doing more damage later on in teamfights.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 17 2013 18:34 GMT
#989
On December 18 2013 03:31 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:29 Roffles wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:27 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:25 Roffles wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:16 nafta wrote:
What is this always pushing lane?You can simply last hit with q.

Draven is hard counter to ez wtf are you smoking and it is 50/50 vs cait.

Ez can farm out lane, and just turn it into farm lane. And then when it comes to teamfights Ez should be doing better due to how he's able to kite out the fights.

wei2dravenman, have you ever played Draven?

No, but supported for dravens quite a few times, while duo queuing with my friend.

Good, stop talking then.

Should change your quote while you're at it too.
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:25 Slusher wrote:
how the fuck is Ez supposed to man fight Draven? the only way he can "force Draven to farm it out" is if he rushes BT which is a victory in itself vs. Ez, I'll take BT Draven over BT Ez any day of the week for the first dragon and or tower siege.

spoilers if you predict his e timing you can put it on cd with stand aside if it hits during the cast, which is a dead Ezreal 90% of the time.

Hnggg, did not know about this.

It's because you spew bullshit while not knowing champion mechanics because you've never played them. I'd rather hear a bronze 5's opinion on a champion he actually plays over your uninformed nonsense.

Please stop talking if you don't play the champ. It's not beneficial for anyone, especially people who are actually trying to learn new things and they have to put up with your bullshit.
God Bless
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 17 2013 18:35 GMT
#990
On December 18 2013 03:33 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
The point is really that Draven outdamages by Ezreal by a landslide, and that anyone who has regularly played them at a reasonable level (read: even Diamond will suffice) will know this. Ezreal has mobility, but will get wrecked by Draven in trades so you're straight up wrong about Ezreal either winning lane or doing more damage later on in teamfights.

Again, i'm not suggesting you trade out with Draven, you farm it out, and be more relevant later on.
liftlift > tsm
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 18:38:31
December 17 2013 18:37 GMT
#991
On December 18 2013 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:33 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
The point is really that Draven outdamages by Ezreal by a landslide, and that anyone who has regularly played them at a reasonable level (read: even Diamond will suffice) will know this. Ezreal has mobility, but will get wrecked by Draven in trades so you're straight up wrong about Ezreal either winning lane or doing more damage later on in teamfights.

Again, i'm not suggesting you trade out with Draven, you farm it out, and be more relevant later on.

HOW DO YOU FARM IT OUT?

????????????

Are you suggesting you go into lane and try to auto? Because Draven will just walk in and rape you with an axe.
God Bless
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 17 2013 18:38 GMT
#992
I actually hate to play Draven for the same reasons Alzadar mentioned but one of my main duo q's favorite champion was Draven until Jinx came out.
Carrilord has arrived.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 17 2013 18:38 GMT
#993
ezreal is probably the weakest AD right now
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 17 2013 18:40 GMT
#994
On December 18 2013 03:38 zulu_nation8 wrote:
ezreal is probably the weakest AD right now


Somehow Score makes him look amazing.
Freeeeeeedom
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 17 2013 18:40 GMT
#995
a good Draven player doesn't just let people with the same range cs for free, thats like picking Leblanc to rush athene's and farm with W max.
Carrilord has arrived.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 18:46:10
December 17 2013 18:42 GMT
#996
On December 18 2013 03:38 zulu_nation8 wrote:
ezreal is probably the weakest AD right now


I haven't laned against Corki enough to really judge but from what I've seen of the new Q in ARAMs, he's garbage ATM. Kog and Graves also seem to be in pretty bad spots.

Re: Draven, you really need to have laned against him to understand. It goes something like: "Ok, he's got a BF Sword now, I have to be careful and try to avoid OH MY GOD 1/3RD OF MY HEALTH, HOLY SHIT HE KILLED MY SUPPORT IN TWO HITS". Farming against him is not easy.
I am the Town Medic.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 18:44:39
December 17 2013 18:42 GMT
#997
On December 18 2013 03:37 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:33 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
The point is really that Draven outdamages by Ezreal by a landslide, and that anyone who has regularly played them at a reasonable level (read: even Diamond will suffice) will know this. Ezreal has mobility, but will get wrecked by Draven in trades so you're straight up wrong about Ezreal either winning lane or doing more damage later on in teamfights.

Again, i'm not suggesting you trade out with Draven, you farm it out, and be more relevant later on.

HOW DO YOU FARM IT OUT?

????????????

Are you suggesting you go into lane and try to auto? Because Draven will just walk in and rape you with an axe.

pretty sure thats an idraism
On December 18 2013 03:42 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:38 zulu_nation8 wrote:
ezreal is probably the weakest AD right now

I haven't laned against Corki enough to really judge but from what I've seen of the new Q in ARAMs, he's garbage ATM. Kog and Graves also seem to be in pretty bad spots.

at least kog is going somewhere. corki is shit the whole game long.
On December 18 2013 03:32 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:24 turdburgler wrote:
ive always seen ezreal as an easy match up because draven can harras from inside the creep wave and ezreal is mechanically harder to play than draven, so draven has the upper hand if you arent lift "im literally perfect" lift.


Say what now? Ezreal is super easy and relaxing to play. Playing Draven stresses me out more than any other champion, he's got so much shit going on between the axe-catching and the W resets. Seriously I don't play Draven cause he gives me strokes.


rofl. idk, ezreal gives me fits. he seems like one of those champs that just does more damage when played by certain people ;p
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 18:46:07
December 17 2013 18:44 GMT
#998
On December 18 2013 03:37 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:33 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
The point is really that Draven outdamages by Ezreal by a landslide, and that anyone who has regularly played them at a reasonable level (read: even Diamond will suffice) will know this. Ezreal has mobility, but will get wrecked by Draven in trades so you're straight up wrong about Ezreal either winning lane or doing more damage later on in teamfights.

Again, i'm not suggesting you trade out with Draven, you farm it out, and be more relevant later on.

HOW DO YOU FARM IT OUT?

????????????

Are you suggesting you go into lane and try to auto? Because Draven will just walk in and rape you with an axe.

I think he means for Ezreal to only use Q for cs, which is a great way to run oom in 2 minutes getting maybe 1 cs every 6-7 seconds assuming he's not already pushed you way off the wave

edit: oo templar
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
December 17 2013 18:45 GMT
#999
Out of curiosity, who does lane well vs. Draven right now? So far this conversation has been Draven beats the fotm Sivir/Lucian/Jinx trio, and also can beat Cait/Ez, and everyone else sucks.

Is Draven just hidden op right now? Or are there even/bad lane matchups for him?
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 18:45:48
December 17 2013 18:45 GMT
#1000
On December 18 2013 03:44 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:37 Roffles wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 18 2013 03:33 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
The point is really that Draven outdamages by Ezreal by a landslide, and that anyone who has regularly played them at a reasonable level (read: even Diamond will suffice) will know this. Ezreal has mobility, but will get wrecked by Draven in trades so you're straight up wrong about Ezreal either winning lane or doing more damage later on in teamfights.

Again, i'm not suggesting you trade out with Draven, you farm it out, and be more relevant later on.

HOW DO YOU FARM IT OUT?

????????????

Are you suggesting you go into lane and try to auto? Because Draven will just walk in and rape you with an axe.

I think he means for Ezreal to only use Q for cs, which is a great way to run oom in 2 minutes getting maybe 1 cs every 6-7 seconds assuming he's not already pushed you way off the wave

So he's saying he wants to Q farm only and be down 50 CS at 10 minutes while maintaining he has "THE BETTER LATE GAME"

Fucking genius
God Bless
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