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On December 18 2013 02:49 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 02:45 turdburgler wrote:
hahah look at this guy, thinking solo q players have a fucking clue about peeling for people.
how is this draven magically attacking twice as fast as lucian. Each spell cast = 1 aa. Each aa = 1 aa 2 spells 2 rounds of aa around 4 draven aa.
It doesn't quite work out that way because of how you can cancel spells and autoattacks into each other while autoattacks have to wait for the autoattack timer. The only thing is that the autoattack timer scales with attack speed while spell animations are fixed.
Basically early game, 2 spells 2 autoattacks should always be significantly faster than 4 straight autoattacks. How much faster, we can't know because Riot has so graciously decided not to provide us any data whatsoever on animation lengths and backswings.
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On December 18 2013 03:02 Slusher wrote:
I'm not sure if there is an ability in the game as powerful as stand aside that nobody talks about.
Annie defensive steroid more powerful. Tehehehe, best ability in game.
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dravens whole kit is really strong and yet no one complains about him. if they do the standard rito thing and just nerf jinx and lucian more then imo draven will be top tier even without good personal defence.
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Not to mention the attack speed changes should be really good for Draven because of the functionality of blood rush.
I do wish they could find him a passive that makes sense though.
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On December 18 2013 03:05 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 03:02 Slusher wrote:
I'm not sure if there is an ability in the game as powerful as stand aside that nobody talks about. Annie defensive steroid more powerful. Tehehehe, best ability in game.
Smokescreen? super duper op
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smokescreen is good but people know it's good, Stand aside on the other hand I hear shit like Draven is a sitting duck 1v1 vs a bruiser and I just lol
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On December 18 2013 03:10 Slusher wrote:
Not to mention the attack speed changes should be really good for Draven because of the functionality of blood rush.
I do wish they could find him a passive that makes sense though.
if they change his passive it would be a pretty huge buff to him. always pushing your lane sucks dick against people who will wait for a jungle gank.
On December 18 2013 03:13 Slusher wrote:
smokescreen is good but people know it's good, Stand aside on the other hand I hear shit like Draven is a sitting duck 1v1 vs a bruiser and I just lol
using stand aside to block things like jax's q is pretty hilarious but against harder engages he is still pretty boned.
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On December 18 2013 03:09 turdburgler wrote:
dravens whole kit is really strong and yet no one complains about him. if they do the standard rito thing and just nerf jinx and lucian more then imo draven will be top tier even without good personal defence.
I dunno. Draven doesn't do too great against Caitlyn and Ez in lane. Right now it's rock paper scissors between sivir lucian jinx> caitlyn ez> draven > sivir lucian jinx.
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On December 18 2013 03:12 Vanka wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 03:05 wei2coolman wrote:On December 18 2013 03:02 Slusher wrote:
I'm not sure if there is an ability in the game as powerful as stand aside that nobody talks about. Annie defensive steroid more powerful. Tehehehe, best ability in game. Smokescreen? super duper op
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What is this always pushing lane?You can simply last hit with q.
Draven is hard counter to ez wtf are you smoking and it is 50/50 vs cait.
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and then you get fuck all gold from your passive, so you might aswell not have one. it only takes a few auto attacks to push a lane pretty hard, im not saying "hurr durr spam autos in to creeps" but draven is incentivised to push his lane hard, and then struggles to get out of it.
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Caitlyn as a counter to Draven is HIGHLY overstated. any advantage is non existant post Boots2 + vamp sceptor, if you don't beat him to BT by a full back you can't handle him, unless the support match up is massively in your favor (in which case you should have beaten him to bt by a lot anyway)
On December 18 2013 03:16 turdburgler wrote:
and then you get fuck all gold from your passive, so you might aswell not have one. it only takes a few auto attacks to push a lane pretty hard, im not saying "hurr durr spam autos in to creeps" but draven is incentivised to push his lane hard, and then struggles to get out of it.
yup, thats why his passive is bad, you just play like it doesn't exist and if you snowball then you lol and rake it in on top of the snowball, it's a dumb passive. saying that because it exists you have to stack it at all costs is akin to saying that Yasuo HAS to go 50% crit, he can, but it's not always the best, and a lot of cases is just bad.
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On December 18 2013 03:15 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 03:12 Vanka wrote:On December 18 2013 03:05 wei2coolman wrote:On December 18 2013 03:02 Slusher wrote:
I'm not sure if there is an ability in the game as powerful as stand aside that nobody talks about. Annie defensive steroid more powerful. Tehehehe, best ability in game. Smokescreen? super duper op Diplomatic Immunity
Poppy's kit
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On December 18 2013 03:16 nafta wrote:
What is this always pushing lane?You can simply last hit with q.
Draven is hard counter to ez wtf are you smoking and it is 50/50 vs cait.
Ez can farm out lane, and just turn it into farm lane. And then when it comes to teamfights Ez should be doing better due to how he's able to kite out the fights.
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On December 18 2013 03:21 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 03:16 nafta wrote:
What is this always pushing lane?You can simply last hit with q.
Draven is hard counter to ez wtf are you smoking and it is 50/50 vs cait. Ez can farm out lane, and just turn it into farm lane. And then when it comes to teamfights Ez should be doing better due to how he's able to kite out the fights.
Ez can farm only with q.He cant go near the wave at all unless his support is stronger.Getting outfarmed and enemy ad doing more damage than you doesnt really sound like a counter to me.
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On December 17 2013 22:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
from watching some dexter's vods it seems his ganking mechanics are world class but he doesn't really know what to do after laning.
Goes hand in hand with what LD was good at last season: Getting Nukeduck past laning phase on his assassins so he could go split push.
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ive always seen ezreal as an easy match up because draven can harras from inside the creep wave and ezreal is mechanically harder to play than draven, so draven has the upper hand if you arent lift "im literally perfect" lift.
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how the fuck is Ez supposed to man fight Draven? the only way he can "force Draven to farm it out" is if he rushes BT which is a victory in itself vs. Ez, I'll take BT Draven over BT Ez any day of the week for the first dragon and or tower siege.
spoilers if you predict his e timing you can put it on cd with stand aside if it hits during the cast, which is a dead Ezreal 90% of the time.
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Roffles
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On December 18 2013 03:21 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 03:16 nafta wrote:
What is this always pushing lane?You can simply last hit with q.
Draven is hard counter to ez wtf are you smoking and it is 50/50 vs cait. Ez can farm out lane, and just turn it into farm lane. And then when it comes to teamfights Ez should be doing better due to how he's able to kite out the fights.
wei2dravenman, have you ever played Draven?
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On December 18 2013 03:24 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 03:21 wei2coolman wrote:On December 18 2013 03:16 nafta wrote:
What is this always pushing lane?You can simply last hit with q.
Draven is hard counter to ez wtf are you smoking and it is 50/50 vs cait. Ez can farm out lane, and just turn it into farm lane. And then when it comes to teamfights Ez should be doing better due to how he's able to kite out the fights. Ez can farm only with q.He cant go near the wave at all unless his support is stronger.Getting outfarmed and enemy ad doing more damage than you doesnt really sound like a counter to me.
I dunno, from what I see, Ez's are never forced to engage onto Dravens, nor are they ever forced into a fight with draven in lane.
For the most part Ez can farm under turret just fine, and then be more useful in teamfights.
Just one of those things of Ez can lose lane by 20 cs and not feed a kill, but be the same relevance in teamfights as draven, just cuz ez's kit allows him to do so.
On December 18 2013 03:25 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 03:21 wei2coolman wrote:On December 18 2013 03:16 nafta wrote:
What is this always pushing lane?You can simply last hit with q.
Draven is hard counter to ez wtf are you smoking and it is 50/50 vs cait. Ez can farm out lane, and just turn it into farm lane. And then when it comes to teamfights Ez should be doing better due to how he's able to kite out the fights. wei2dravenman, have you ever played Draven?
No, but supported for dravens quite a few times, while duo queuing with my friend.
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