EPT[Patch 3.15] Yasuo General Discussion - Page 33
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Shikyo
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wei2coolman
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iCanada
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On December 16 2013 11:53 ticklishmusic wrote: to be fair, that was vs a master yi. still funny as balls though. Yeah, a Master Yi with Cutlass and Elder Lizard and ult procced after his change so that all his stuff scales off of AD. That is 200 AD with a whole fuck ton of Attack speed. I dunno, its not that ridiculous to just have enough gold for a tiamat. LD vs TSM today, ina pro level match, Myw was 3-0-3 with just Boots and three dorans Rings, went back to base with a solid 2k gold and bought NLR and Consumables. What if he just built a Tiamat instead of the NLR? That is pretty much the breaking point in terms of AD sion being too ridiculous to kill. That is what I am proposing. | ||
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Shikyo
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Do you have a video of the AD Sion vs a Nasus with Frozen Heart? I also have done pretty crazy lifesteal stuff with Fiora with Ravenous Hydra and Bloodthirster but that doesn't matter when you get CC'd. | ||
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Ryuu314
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On December 16 2013 12:03 iCanada wrote: Yeah, a Master Yi with Cutlass and Elder Lizard and ult procced after his change so that all his stuff scales off of AD. That is 200 AD with a whole fuck ton of Attack speed. I dunno, its not that ridiculous to just have enough gold for a tiamat. LD vs TSM today, ina pro level match, Myw was 3-0-3 with just Boots and three dorans Rings, went back to base with a solid 2k gold and bought NLR and Consumables. What if he just built a Tiamat instead of the NLR? That is pretty much the breaking point in terms of AD sion being too ridiculous to kill. That is what I am proposing. Eh. AD sion's issue is that he just dies to cc, which any competent team with draft plenty of. | ||
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iCanada
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On December 16 2013 12:07 Ryuu314 wrote: Eh. AD sion's issue is that he just dies to cc, which any competent team with draft plenty of. Okay great. You use all your CC on AD Sion who is protecting enemy teams Lucian. You kills Sion, awesome. Lucian kilsl your whole team. I know conventionally it is considered bad. But I want someone to try it instead of just straight out saying "NO! Its BAD!" kind of like how everyone always said Nasus in lane was just straight up bad. Sure, it was bad at one point, but now Nasus has zero problems top lane. None. The Meta has changed a ton, and a lot of people have been nerfed. Is there no one on TL higher than Mid gold willing to try oldschool AP Sion Rings + Mobis into AD Sion lategame? | ||
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wei2coolman
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you're dumping 1200 gold into items that don't start you off with multiplicative scaling. also, nasus being good has a lot to do with s3 changes, and nerfs and buffs throughout. | ||
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Shikyo
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On December 16 2013 12:09 iCanada wrote: Okay great. You use all your CC on AD Sion who is protecting enemy teams Lucian. You kills Sion, awesome. Lucian kilsl your whole team. I know conventionally it is considered bad. But I want someone to try it instead of just straight out saying "NO! Its BAD!" kind of like how everyone always said Nasus in lane was just straight up bad. Sure, it was bad at one point, but now Nasus has zero problems top lane. None. The Meta has changed a ton, and a lot of people have been nerfed. Is there no one on TL higher than Mid gold willing to try oldschool AP Sion Rings + Mobis into AD Sion lategame? Maybe you don't get it, but you don't need to use "all your cc". Just one CC is enough. All CC is what you use when you catch a fulltank Malphite out of position if you want to kill him, for example. Your ADC also is more safe after you remove an AD Sion. By what logic does the Lucian kill my whole team? Because I have no ADC? Because my ADC used all his cc.. wait ADCs have no cc. With Fiora using your ult to lifesteal from low to full is actually feasible and viable, with Sion you need to get close to them(with no speedboost or gapcloser) and attack them, which just isn't something you commonly can get away with. | ||
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Ryuu314
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Sion's been around since beta and has only seen nerfs. If AD sion was viable, it probably would've been figured out by now. In contrast, Nasus got repeated buffs to wither, siphoning strike, and spirit fire. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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On the other hand, you have the Mundo (and to a lesser extent Olaf) problem where CC doesn't really work. | ||
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Ryuu314
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For reference, he gets 30% cc reduction with W on. | ||
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Shikyo
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iCanada
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On December 16 2013 12:11 wei2coolman wrote: The problem has to do with multiplicative scaling. you're dumping 1200 gold into items that don't start you off with multiplicative scaling. also, nasus being good has a lot to do with s3 changes, and nerfs and buffs throughout. I'm aware of this. I'm saying that Sion could benefit from the same nerfs/buffs. Sion is an Oldschool champion, and throughout LoL the oldschool stuff is usually the most ridiculous. You are dismissing it without even trying it, playing it. I understand conventional wisdom says you play AD sion you get butt fucked and lose hard. I dunno, if you just spend that 1200 gold on Dblades you just lose, straight up. You can win hard early with that 1200 gold being Rings. And you go into the mid game with a much better shield and much stronger stun. It gives you a buffer. I'm saying it works well at mid gold RIGHT NOW. And I am saying that I am bad, and I want someone to try it at higher than mid gold right now, because it very well might be really really good. I understand what conventional wisdom says. I understand why historically AD Sion is bad. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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wei2coolman
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Shikyo
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He absolutely decimated anything that would fight him head on, but one stun and he's gone. I don't see why this would have changed. I played vs AD Sion only once solo top recently(like the last year), he didn't accomplish anything IIRC. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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Shikyo
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sylverfyre
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On December 16 2013 12:15 ticklishmusic wrote: There was that one game S2 semis where M5 decided to draft a no-CC comp vs. Stanley's Nidalee. I thought that game taught the world to always play with CC or get destroyed. On the other hand, you have the Mundo (and to a lesser extent Olaf) problem where CC doesn't really work. The "epic comeback" game of M5 vs CLG EU was also all-slows from M5, except for Lee's ult. | ||
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Shikyo
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Mundo on the other hand is kind of dumb. Malzahar is good vs him still. Why does no one pick Malzahar btw? I think it's been one of my more successful AP mids the few times I played as him. Peels like a baws. | ||
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