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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 00:16:11
December 16 2013 00:15 GMT
#601
So what would a bird team look like? Anivia mid, Quinn jungle, Fiddle support, Swain top, Sivir ADC? I'm not sure if Sivir counts but she does look like a turkey, can't be that far off...

I guess Ashe would be a better fit. Or Quinn ADC; Udyr jungle(Phoenix)...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Micromnky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States262 Posts
December 16 2013 00:20 GMT
#602
Anivia support, Swain Mid, Quinn Top, Ashe ADC, Fiddle jung, or maybe even Shyv...Dragons have wings, y'know
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 16 2013 00:43 GMT
#603
Cool to see that Kwan Yu joins the fray, in terms of RotTK skins. Idk why they haven't done Yuan-Te yet though, its not like he's the main character or anything...
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
December 16 2013 00:45 GMT
#604
Kayle and Morgana have wings too
And all is illuminated.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 16 2013 01:05 GMT
#605
On December 16 2013 08:57 Shikyo wrote:
Not comparable at all. Vayne is terrible. I consider her a free loss every time she's in my team. In toplane she's super easy to beat by like, any toplaner with a speedboost or gapcloser. Or magic. Or anything.

Vayne top actually does really well against current fotm toplaner (with exception to rango). It's sort of tricky though, thr laning phase is a tight rope walk, you can't make a single mistake kiting in lane otherwise the lane snowballs real hard on you.
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 01:10:02
December 16 2013 01:09 GMT
#606
On December 16 2013 10:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 08:57 Shikyo wrote:
Not comparable at all. Vayne is terrible. I consider her a free loss every time she's in my team. In toplane she's super easy to beat by like, any toplaner with a speedboost or gapcloser. Or magic. Or anything.

Vayne top actually does really well against current fotm toplaner (with exception to rango). It's sort of tricky though, thr laning phase is a tight rope walk, you can't make a single mistake kiting in lane otherwise the lane snowballs real hard on you.

Well maybe I'm a bit biased. I've played Fiora vs Vayne twice and both were a complete stomp. I also have my doubts about her being able to stop champions from just pushing the lane in because she's terrible at waveclearing, Shyvana comes to mind. I also don't see how she handles Riven at all. I guess she does well against Yasuo...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 01:13:18
December 16 2013 01:10 GMT
#607
Well no shit. Fiora isn't part of fotm top laners. Fiora shits on vayne. I'm talking bout renekton/mundo/shyvana.

The biggest thing bout vayne top lane is she breaks the stupid unkillable top lane meta.
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 01:15:11
December 16 2013 01:12 GMT
#608
On December 16 2013 10:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Well no shit. Fiora isn't part of fotm top laners. Fiora shits on vayne. I'm talking bout renekton/mundo/shyvana

I don't consider Mundo a FotM toplaner.

Swain also shits on Vayne.
Oh and I completely disagree with her beating Shyvana. Shyvana could lasthit even when I dunked half her hp with Swain when she came close, Vayne cannot touch her.

I consider Nasus a FotM toplaner, beats Vayne. Jax beats Vayne
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 01:15:09
December 16 2013 01:14 GMT
#609
On December 16 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 10:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Well no shit. Fiora isn't part of fotm top laners. Fiora shits on vayne. I'm talking bout renekton/mundo/shyvana

I don't consider Mundo a FotM toplaner.

Swain also shits on Vayne.

Huh? Did you not watch any of battle of the atlantic?
liftlift > tsm
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
December 16 2013 01:15 GMT
#610
On December 16 2013 09:15 Shikyo wrote:
So what would a bird team look like? Anivia mid, Quinn jungle, Fiddle support, Swain top, Sivir ADC? I'm not sure if Sivir counts but she does look like a turkey, can't be that far off...

I guess Ashe would be a better fit. Or Quinn ADC; Udyr jungle(Phoenix)...


Not this again. I'm sure we had this discussion around the time quinn came out.
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 16 2013 01:15 GMT
#611
On December 16 2013 10:14 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
On December 16 2013 10:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Well no shit. Fiora isn't part of fotm top laners. Fiora shits on vayne. I'm talking bout renekton/mundo/shyvana

I don't consider Mundo a FotM toplaner.

Swain also shits on Vayne.

Huh? Did you not watch any of battle of the atlantic?

judging by platinum soloq seen him twice in like 40 games, doesn't qualify
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 01:16:12
December 16 2013 01:15 GMT
#612
mundo top has been caught on in na for like 2 weeks already, clearly crumbzz was right eu meta behind har har.
Carrilord has arrived.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 16 2013 01:16 GMT
#613
On December 16 2013 10:15 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 10:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 16 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
On December 16 2013 10:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Well no shit. Fiora isn't part of fotm top laners. Fiora shits on vayne. I'm talking bout renekton/mundo/shyvana

I don't consider Mundo a FotM toplaner.

Swain also shits on Vayne.

Huh? Did you not watch any of battle of the atlantic?

judging by platinum soloq seen him twice in like 40 games, doesn't qualify

Why are we talking about lane matchups at platinum solo q level?
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 01:22:04
December 16 2013 01:17 GMT
#614
On December 16 2013 10:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 10:15 Shikyo wrote:
On December 16 2013 10:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 16 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
On December 16 2013 10:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Well no shit. Fiora isn't part of fotm top laners. Fiora shits on vayne. I'm talking bout renekton/mundo/shyvana

I don't consider Mundo a FotM toplaner.

Swain also shits on Vayne.

Huh? Did you not watch any of battle of the atlantic?

judging by platinum soloq seen him twice in like 40 games, doesn't qualify

Why are we talking about lane matchups at platinum solo q level?

Because that's the only place where Vayne top could be viable and that's also the only place I have experience of.

BTW I also disagree on her beating Mundo top.

Why? armor rune Mundo's not going to get pushed off the lane by a Vayne of all things, what with his passive and especially after 6. He might not kill Vayne if he aggresses on her, but Vayne cannot kill the Mundo either. Mundo's generally really good vs a double AD type comp which imo isn't even very viable. Vayne needs 3 hits at once to deal significant dmg to Mundo, which Mundo will just regen back up early on and which makes Vayne most likely miss some lasthits.

If Mundo wants to kill the Vayne for some reason, I guess he can pay 475 gold for the lens upgrade.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 01:22:54
December 16 2013 01:21 GMT
#615
On December 16 2013 10:17 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 10:16 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 16 2013 10:15 Shikyo wrote:
On December 16 2013 10:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 16 2013 10:12 Shikyo wrote:
On December 16 2013 10:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Well no shit. Fiora isn't part of fotm top laners. Fiora shits on vayne. I'm talking bout renekton/mundo/shyvana

I don't consider Mundo a FotM toplaner.

Swain also shits on Vayne.

Huh? Did you not watch any of battle of the atlantic?

judging by platinum soloq seen him twice in like 40 games, doesn't qualify

Why are we talking about lane matchups at platinum solo q level?

Because that's the only place where Vayne top could be viable and that's also the only place I have experience of.

BTW I also disagree on her beating Mundo top.

Quas played her top a couple times to varying degrees of success.

She does fine against mundo, just don't get hit by cleavers, and if you do, you have to disengage correctly with condem.
If mundo can't kill vayne, and vayne can farm.
Vayne with items is far more threatening than mundo with items. Though it definitely opens up issues with team comps with your jungler not being tanky enough.
liftlift > tsm
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 01:23:10
December 16 2013 01:22 GMT
#616
+ Show Spoiler +
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For you poor EU folks.

Vayne is pretty OK with just making it a farmfest vs. Mundo generally. It's just the tightrope of squishy vs. bruiser.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
December 16 2013 01:24 GMT
#617
Renekton Shyv and Mundo are the current 3 fotm top laners(with rango being 4th I believe) have yo been watching streams? Why are we comparing this to platinum solo q?
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 16 2013 01:25 GMT
#618
Swain doesn't count? Highest winrate in Korea etc. Btw beats all of those 3.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
December 16 2013 01:25 GMT
#619
Shikyo- plays one champion, authority on top lane.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
December 16 2013 01:26 GMT
#620
Because the world revolves around Shikyo.
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