Manaless top laners have just pushed out mana based because they don't suffer as badly in 1v2(can ALWAYS use skills to lasthit/clear with minimal repercussions), almost every single mana based champion right now loses in top to a manaless(olaf, maybe nasus and singed in the right matchups are exceptions), and in general, manaless right now is all the rage because you can stay in lane indefinitely and always be ready for a fight so long as you have sustain. And even if you're behind against a mana user, unless they have a hydra, they'll eventually run out of mana to keep pushing.

Crusnik

United States5378 Posts

December 12 2013 22:10 GMT

#22

Fiddle nerfs, luci nerfs, taric nerfs, I can finally play Varus/Trist while Lucian is open and not feel guilty!

JK, still gotta play the black man and ride his insane AD scaling to victory

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

December 12 2013 22:10 GMT

#23

I'm kinda on the fence about that Fiddle fear nerf. On one hand, it's fucking annoying and super strong. On the other, it's arguably the strongest and most consistent part of his kit and I don't like how hard Riot is nerfing it.

Zess

Adun Toridas!9144 Posts

December 12 2013 22:11 GMT

#24

On December 13 2013 07:03 Fusilero wrote:

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After olaf riot are terrified of touching any overwhelmingly strong top laner in case he ends up being olaf'd.
That being said olaf is a viably strong pick that doesn't seem overpowering now... so I guess rito pulled it off in the end?

Have you been watching OGN?

Olaf is one of the top contested picks and absolutely crushes people.

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

December 12 2013 22:13 GMT

#25

On December 13 2013 07:11 xes wrote:

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Have you been watching OGN?

Olaf is one of the top contested picks and absolutely crushes people.

Well, I mean I guess not as bad as the start of S3 1v5 tank olaf. IT'S PROGRESS GODDAMNIT.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

December 12 2013 22:13 GMT

#26

On December 13 2013 07:11 xes wrote:

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Have you been watching OGN?

Olaf is one of the top contested picks and absolutely crushes people.

His winrate is rather mediocre though.

Also, does the Rammus change mean that he can now have W active while rolling?

AsnSensation

Germany24009 Posts

December 12 2013 22:19 GMT

#27

I love this

"Which weighs more Riven, your blade or your past?" OUUUCH

JonnyLaw

United States3482 Posts

December 12 2013 22:20 GMT

#28

On December 13 2013 07:13 Ryuu314 wrote:

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His winrate is rather mediocre though.

Also, does the Rammus change mean that he can now have W active while rolling?

Olaf is not mindless to play and is strong. It's the same reason his win rate was low before they nerfed him.

I think you're right on the Rammus change.

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

December 12 2013 22:23 GMT

#29

On December 13 2013 07:01 krndandaman wrote:
Decent patch with decent nerfs/buffs.

I wish they nerfed the manaless tank top FOTMs though. Also lol@ no annie nerf.
I wish they buffed other adc's in general instead of nerfing lucian/sivir

adcs so weak mang

i honestly believe there is a whole trove of AP mids who could play the support role at least as well as annie, the thing about annie is that shes so easy to play. so i doubt we will see any real nerfs to annie as shes supposed to be easy to play.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

December 12 2013 22:23 GMT

#30

On December 13 2013 07:05 GhandiEAGLE wrote:

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But they did improve Riven's running animation. +1

if the visual update team is the track record, they don't know how to make a good run animation.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

December 12 2013 22:23 GMT

#31

On December 13 2013 07:20 JonnyLaw wrote:

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Olaf is not mindless to play and is strong. It's the same reason his win rate was low before they nerfed him.

I think you're right on the Rammus change.

I was speaking specifically about his OGN winrate. Before the pre-rework Olaf nerf, his solo q winrate was terrible, but competitive pick/ban and winrate were incredibly high. Now in OGN, Olaf has a 5% pickrate as a solo laner and 45% pick/ban rate as a jungler with a 50% winrate. That's really not that bad when you compare that to Lee Sin's 70% pick/ban rate with 50% winrate or Elise's staggering 90% pick/ban rate with 82% winrate.

On a separate note, I'm really disappointed that Janna received virtually no buffs/changes.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

December 12 2013 22:24 GMT

#32

Rammus and Fiddle nerfed. Fuck you Riot. I mean, fuck you hard.

On the other hand the assist scaling gold removed is a smart decision.

krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

December 12 2013 22:27 GMT

#33

--- Nuked ---

Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

December 12 2013 22:30 GMT

#34

"Hey guys, we reworked Sivir's kit!"
*proceeds to shit on her ult*
"Hey guys, we reworked Sivir's kit and gave her a makover!"
*proceed to shit on her ult*

Never change, Rita.

GeneralStan

United States4789 Posts

December 12 2013 22:30 GMT

#35

Pantheon

W - Aegis of Zeonia

Now can be cast on enemy minions and jungle monster

Change of the patch imo.

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

December 12 2013 22:31 GMT

#36

literally a game changer.

also i like how they tried to make the change to jannas ult a buff in response to her being bad, and not something they would have done anyway.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

December 12 2013 22:32 GMT

#37

also where are the god damn rune changes? are they cancelled? can we at least get an idea of whats goin on.

arb

Noobville17922 Posts

December 12 2013 22:34 GMT

#38

Swain (Torment)

no longer works with ignite, serious?

Fusilero

United Kingdom50293 Posts

December 12 2013 22:36 GMT

#39

On December 13 2013 07:34 arb wrote:
Swain (Torment)

no longer works with ignite, serious?

Yep, I think they wanted ignite to be consistent or something so they removed it from damage amplification. I don't get why they felt the need to do it but there you are.