EPTViktor couldn't buy 2 of them even if he wanted to. There's no reason to make it unique.
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
Viktor couldn't buy 2 of them even if he wanted to. There's no reason to make it unique. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On January 09 2014 22:49 Slayer91 wrote: so you're saying assassins are good against squishies with low mobility? thats kinda a case of all comps having ad but only some of them having assassins so you can't have like ziggs and an assassin without doing some weird shit or have only 1 tank and lots of farm dependent guysif you pick asssasin top your speech about team dependent and reliant on team formation and positioning is generally what I refer to as "you just cleaned up we did all the work" in games I agree 80%. MM most of the time feel more like sidekicks than playmakers. They are just that guy in the back who shoots arrows who is allowed to have a legolas moment when the stars align. There are a couple things that are asked from them in their role though. There's alot to say about how he uses his utility. There's quite a difference from your average soloq player using rocket jump offensively and a good player dodging skillshots with it and jumping to the exact position from where he can deal the most damage. You also rely on your mm to switch to the right targets in time and not tunnel vision, which is most of the time the one who's nearest (with a few exceptions) but you kind of depend on his good jundgement there. But in 99% of the time when you see a team getting "carried" by an MM, they set up the teamcomp for exactly that. I remember when eve mid was more popular and m5 picked xin and lee sin with alex ich on eve. The botlane was something and graves. The whole setup was for alex ich to carry though, because with the knockbacks from xinand lee they could split engagements into small skirmishes so eve can wreck havoc. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On January 10 2014 00:23 Dgiese wrote: Yeah but think of how op that extra pen on his mana is. Viktor the new anti-mage, penetrating your mana | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 10 2014 00:04 Alaric wrote: The item-duplicating glitches are over there on the AGDQ stream.  I meant magic pen! \ On January 10 2014 00:14 Ghost-z wrote: Viktor couldn't buy 2 of them even if he wanted to. There's no reason to make it unique. Well, what I meant is it can stack with Void Staff. If it went live they would have to give it the Aegis treatment. Or else youd have 65% Magic pen. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 09 2014 23:42 Sufficiency wrote: Yeah those numbers are grossly overtuned. Someone said this on the forum. The guy in charge of the viktor item rework said he gave them high numbers in order to test the concepts | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On January 10 2014 00:24 clickrush wrote: I agree 80%. MM most of the time feel more like sidekicks than playmakers. They are just that guy in the back who shoots arrows who is allowed to have a legolas moment when the stars align. There are a couple things that are asked from them in their role though. There's alot to say about how he uses his utility. There's quite a difference from your average soloq player using rocket jump offensively and a good player dodging skillshots with it and jumping to the exact position from where he can deal the most damage. You also rely on your mm to switch to the right targets in time and not tunnel vision, which is most of the time the one who's nearest (with a few exceptions) but you kind of depend on his good jundgement there. But in 99% of the time when you see a team getting "carried" by an MM, they set up the teamcomp for exactly that. I remember when eve mid was more popular and m5 picked xin and lee sin with alex ich on eve. The botlane was something and graves. The whole setup was for alex ich to carry though, because with the knockbacks from xinand lee they could split engagements into small skirmishes so eve can wreck havoc. you know calling them mm, despite whatever you may (mistakenly) believe, is really dumb right? no one else calls them that except ironically and the point of language is to communicate concepts across different individuals, not to stroke your own inflated ego so if everyone else calls them adc just call them adc instead of confusing me as to how matchmaking is a sidekick to playmaking. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
- sotag getting a kind of minor thornmail effect that works against neutrals -> the tradeoff should be between offense and defense and not clearspeed as well. - buff the really fun champions who have exciting moves and/or aggressive initiation like ali, blitz, ashe, janna, mao etc. I want so see more of them in pro level play and in general. - nerf innate sustain and healing across the board (and balance it out with something else). Sustain makes everything boring and slow. + Show Spoiler + yes I like playing gragas and sona, but not because they sustain, but because sona deals tons of damage in lane and pressures like crazy while having one of the strongest support ults. I rather have better base stats on her and gragas because of his sudden burst spikes and his in your face kind of playstyle. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On January 10 2014 01:58 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: you know calling them mm, despite whatever you may (mistakenly) believe, is really dumb right? no one else calls them that except ironically and the point of language is to communicate concepts across different individuals, not to stroke your own inflated ego so if everyone else calls them adc just call them adc instead of confusing me as to how matchmaking is a sidekick to playmaking. My hobby: queuing up for MM as a MM while eating M&M's and listening to Eminem via MediaMonkey a mm away from the Myanmar border while fellow TL poster mnm plays SK Terran. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On January 10 2014 02:05 clickrush wrote: here's my wishlist of changes for the next patch: - sotag getting a kind of minor thornmail effect that works against neutrals -> the tradeoff should be between offense and defense and not clearspeed as well. - buff the really fun champions who have exciting moves and/or aggressive initiation like ali, blitz, ashe, janna, mao etc. I want so see more of them in pro level play and in general. - nerf innate sustain and healing across the board (and balance it out with something else). Sustain makes everything boring and slow. + Show Spoiler + yes I like playing gragas and sona, but not because they sustain, but because sona deals tons of damage in lane and pressures like crazy while having one of the strongest support ults. I rather have better base stats on her and gragas because of his sudden burst spikes and his in your face kind of playstyle. ali is already really strong. and he happens to be good vs. Leona who is all over the goddamn place at the moment. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On January 10 2014 02:11 GrandInquisitor wrote: My hobby: queuing up for MM as a MM while eating M&M's and listening to Eminem via MediaMonkey a mm away from the Myanmar border while fellow TL poster mnm plays SK Terran. i got baited and outsmarted | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On January 10 2014 02:05 clickrush wrote: here's my wishlist of changes for the next patch: - sotag getting a kind of minor thornmail effect that works against neutrals -> the tradeoff should be between offense and defense and not clearspeed as well. - buff the really fun champions who have exciting moves and/or aggressive initiation like ali, blitz, ashe, janna, mao etc. I want so see more of them in pro level play and in general. - nerf innate sustain and healing across the board (and balance it out with something else). Sustain makes everything boring and slow. + Show Spoiler + yes I like playing gragas and sona, but not because they sustain, but because sona deals tons of damage in lane and pressures like crazy while having one of the strongest support ults. I rather have better base stats on her and gragas because of his sudden burst spikes and his in your face kind of playstyle. My wish list for the next patch is that all the season 3 and 4 changes are reverted and we go back to boring season 2 style so i can win more games than i do at the moment. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 10 2014 02:13 Scip wrote: They shouldn't give sotag minor thornmail effect, because the tradeoff should be between clear speed+dmg vs. survivability. That's one of the interesting things. Interesting POV. I kinda agree, particularly because offensively built junglers dont really exist anyways. Except Eve, kinda, but Eve feels less strong to me than I anticipated, but that might be the laning meta atm. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
SV too good, current nerf on ptr is acceptable. I don't think sunfire is too good but the nerf on ptr is acceptable. randuin's is too good, but wardens effect has already been nerfed too many times and it already costs 3000 gold I'm at a loss, perhaps ambient nerf will help here. rework executioners to not be unbuyable even vs. triple heal teams. mabye something that gives the stats of old double dorans(s2) and grevious wounds for ~1.3k gold I hate to get this theoretical but when talking about adc problems the other day in general I came to the personal conclusion that current Doran's blades are so bad they essentially kill all IE first builds, this item is interesting because not only is it a cheap bridge to getting your build going, but despite making going IE first safer if early team fights happen it does not make bottom lane a farm fest because trades would cancel the healing of one another. dfg cdr removal. it makes no sense this item does anything other than what it does, it should be a hard damage item only. Athenes to 50 ap. this item (basically) allows you to cast spells without mana management, needs to have more of a punishment for not going double doran into damage. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
When the word first appears just so I don't confuse you too much CSheep! (And so I don't get one of your smartass language rants anymore) <3 | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On January 10 2014 02:11 GrandInquisitor wrote: My hobby: queuing up for MM as a MM while eating M&M's and listening to Eminem via MediaMonkey a mm away from the Myanmar border while fellow TL poster mnm plays SK Terran. A nun and me, Annette O'Meade, and Ann, a maid, who are not your sea anenome enemies, had an enema with Eminem, an eminent MTV emissary -Stephen Pastis I have a few friends who call ADCs marksmen, but it's 100% sarcasm. I'm still waiting for the "new wave" of League players who leveled up using Marksmen. It'll be a sign. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On January 10 2014 02:20 cLutZ wrote: Interesting POV. I kinda agree, particularly because offensively built junglers dont really exist anyways. Except Eve, kinda, but Eve feels less strong to me than I anticipated, but that might be the laning meta atm. Kha'Zix always builds pure dmg, Vi and Elise both can build significant amount of dmg (Lizard Edler+bruta/Spectral Wraith+HG+Sorcs), Amumu is mostly built AP... I definitely wouldn't say that dmg junglers don't exist | ||
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