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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On December 28 2013 01:23 ArchAngelSC wrote: I'll be honest. I've seen no difference in peoples skill level all the way from silver up to plat 1. I don't understand why people say things like this. Does it make you feel good to be that egotistical? There's a big difference in peoples skill level between bronze 5 and bronze 1, not to mention silver to plat. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On December 28 2013 01:27 Ketara wrote: I don't understand why people say things like this. Does it make you feel good to be that egotistical? There's a big difference in peoples skill level between bronze 5 and bronze 1, not to mention silver to plat. There is a difference, although it isn't immediately clear to me despite watching my friend(who is rather bad at the game) drop from bronze 1(placement) to bronze 4/5 after about 200 games. Clearly there is some mechanic that allows him to differentiate him from the perma bronze 5's, but I couldn't tell you what it was. Among his numerous mistakes though are - turning off gold on last hits "I don't want to see how bad I'm farming" - right clicking and hoping that the creeps get last hit. He'll click on the one that's getting low, but the concept of pressing S or walking back and forth for timing seems lost to him - Not trading. A support taps him and he immediately runs away.(this one is huge). Always loses trades to aggressive players unless he has massive creep advantage. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
The fact of the matter is, bronze 1 players are in bronze 1 and not bronze 5 because they can consistently beat bronze 5 players. There must be obvious skill differential between them to have such discrepency in ranking. | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On December 28 2013 01:27 Ketara wrote: I don't understand why people say things like this. Does it make you feel good to be that egotistical? There's a big difference in peoples skill level between bronze 5 and bronze 1, not to mention silver to plat. What separates them then? Being more shitty than the others? I'm not being egotistical, but I seriously cannot separate them. I've seen gold 1 players do equally retarded stuff that a bronze 5 would do. While it's easier to win games in bronze/silver (better game understanding profits), it's the same problems you face in all 3 tiers; people can't act on their own and rely heavily on massive aggressiveness to win games prior to 30 minutes otherwise most games usually get dragged to late-game. You can be skeptical, I'm just sharing my knowledge and I'm 100% sure that if there really was something unique seperating a bronze from a gold, i would definitely have noticed it long ago. On December 28 2013 01:48 Sufficiency wrote: To say from x to y are all the same because you are z is elitist. You are just saying you are good and everyone else is trash a la doublelift style. The fact of the matter is, bronze 1 players are in bronze 1 and not bronze 5 because they can consistently beat bronze 5 players. There must be obvious skill differential between them to have such discrepency in ranking. I'm not saying this, because I was diamond 1, but because the data/knowledge i obtained from spamming smurf games justifies what I'm trying to say. It's rather easy to witness it first-hand because you're able to chat and because of my own comfortably skill, It's not hard to make conclusions. Try it yourself. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On December 28 2013 01:54 Sufficiency wrote: You put a gold 1 player in bronze 5 games and he will carry the game and win 80%+ of the time with ease. Just like you would if you were in a gold 5 game. Again, the gold 1 player is not gold 1 purely due to luck. Gold 1 is there because they consistently farm better and make fewer mistakes than a low gold/silver/bronze player. It's not any one thing that gets people there. One guy might have gold 3 laning, but plat 3 shot calling, and because of that he still wins a lot of his games despite losing lane because he can get the team to listen to him. For higher level players, it really is difficult to differentiate on the basis of skill without looking at stuff like CS numbers and watching how the team as a whole makes decisions because we can see so many mistakes being made. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On December 28 2013 02:21 Nos- wrote: That diamond only forum sounds pretty good right now, if only so we won't have to read this pointless "discussion" sounds like a place for people to stroke their epeens when they get a little down to me | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 28 2013 02:21 Nos- wrote: That diamond only forum sounds pretty good right now, if only so we won't have to read this pointless "discussion" What if we made a Diamond-only Off-Topic Discussion? | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On December 28 2013 01:48 Sponkz wrote: What separates them then? Being more shitty than the others? I'm not being egotistical, but I seriously cannot separate them. I've seen gold 1 players do equally retarded stuff that a bronze 5 would do. While it's easier to win games in bronze/silver (better game understanding profits), it's the same problems you face in all 3 tiers; people can't act on their own and rely heavily on massive aggressiveness to win games prior to 30 minutes otherwise most games usually get dragged to late-game. You can be skeptical, I'm just sharing my knowledge and I'm 100% sure that if there really was something unique seperating a bronze from a gold, i would definitely have noticed it long ago. I'm not saying this, because I was diamond 1, but because the data/knowledge i obtained from spamming smurf games justifies what I'm trying to say. It's rather easy to witness it first-hand because you're able to chat and because of my own comfortably skill, It's not hard to make conclusions. Try it yourself. I think the big keyword in your statement is "unique". Yes, players from bronze to gold do equally retarded stuff, but there is still a rather massive difference in quantity. You can also look at it from a more positive side: Lower ranked players sometimes do very epic plays just as pro players do, but the consistency/quantity of those plays per game is massively different. It's like doing the right thing from time to time vs doing it almost all the time and having the right conception about a couple of things vs having the right conception about 10 times more things. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 28 2013 02:41 NotYango wrote: What if we made a Diamond-only Off-Topic Discussion? But then there would only be wood league pokemon and katawa shoujo discussions. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
Poll: Ever shy away from an allies hazard due to rarely playing with it.? All the time. (1) Every now and then. (5) Nevah. (0) NOXUS, woah woah woah, how does he do it? (1) 7 total votes Your vote: Ever shy away from an allies hazard due to rarely playing with it.? (Vote): All the time. If so, who/what? I've been known to walk around my ally's Wall of Pain. Oh, and jungle Olafs in general. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Many gold players are willing to group and push or follow calls when someone fed is making them. That's much harder in lower leagues. Other than basic laning there's not a lot of difference. The map presence that smurfs have compared to actual gold/plat shitters is obvious. *edit - I stand in the enemy lux laser on aram thinking I'm all good. | ||
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