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I learnt that there's a Diamond I guy who jungles Teemo... wut.
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England706 Posts
On November 26 2013 23:00 Alaric wrote:I learnt that there's a Diamond I guy who jungles Teemo... wut. I tried that the other day. It's surprisingly op if you can get the ganks off o.O
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Wriggles cost buffed, now only 1650 gold. What's the break even point for wriggles currently? Like how long do you have to farm jungle constantly to net more gold than the other jungle items?
edit: Late game the conservation passive falls off while wriggles 40% scales with monsters so maybe sitting on madreds for 20 minutes then going wriggles but then you're giving up so much map pressure. Conservation is just too good synergy with ganking.
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England706 Posts
On November 26 2013 23:42 Ghost-z wrote: Wriggles cost buffed, now only 1650 gold. What's the break even point for wriggles currently? Like how long do you have to farm jungle constantly to net more gold than the other jungle items? Have they changed the combat stats on it? Cause if not then it's still a shitty item with stats that no one really uses, which means you're buying it purely to farm which is never a good idea.
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On November 26 2013 23:42 Ghost-z wrote: Wriggles cost buffed, now only 1650 gold. What's the break even point for wriggles currently? Like how long do you have to farm jungle constantly to net more gold than the other jungle items?
edit: Late game the conservation passive falls off while wriggles 40% scales with monsters so maybe sitting on madreds for 20 minutes then going wriggles but then you're giving up so much map pressure. Conservation is just too good synergy with ganking.
Late game the jungler gets no jungle creeps.
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Honestly, they should change the jungler items (SS and Madreds) to be buyable at Lvl 1 like the new support items. The current system is lame and the jungle just gets more tedious with every incarnation.
There is really no reason the have the jungle monsters take so long and do so much damage early game only to have the rewards be so much greater (with less effort) later on.
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Brilliant idea! Riot should make Wriggles build from a sightstone (not ruby) and that way it can fit into its niche and lore of warding the jungles. I really think they should buff its ward passive to make the item unique. Supports won't buy into it because of the limit of 1 gold item so they'll still upgrade to ruby sightstone.
20 Armor 200 HP Wards+Maim+Gold Passives 1800 Gold
edit: this would probably have to nerf lee sin again
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On November 26 2013 23:55 cLutZ wrote: Honestly, they should change the jungler items (SS and Madreds) to be buyable at Lvl 1 like the new support items. The current system is lame and the jungle just gets more tedious with every incarnation.
There is really no reason the have the jungle monsters take so long and do so much damage early game only to have the rewards be so much greater (with less effort) later on. They are? Machete....they gave it 5 health on hit now.
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On November 26 2013 23:40 ArchAngelSC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 23:00 Alaric wrote:I learnt that there's a Diamond I guy who jungles Teemo... wut. I tried that the other day. It's surprisingly op if you can get the ganks off o.O Had one in normals once, but the guy was only low Gold. Still hilarious, the ganks with Move Quick and red buff are surprisingly effective and he's a nightmare post-6 if he places his mushrooms well. Plus with his passive he just hides if you invade him and you've got to gtfo before his allies collapse on you.
I'd never have thought it could be effective enough to land you in Diamond I though.
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I personally am ok with Wriggles remaining a terrible item for terrible people who play terrible jungles like Yi. It's nice to have the certainty that someone is an idiot instead of merely the suspicion.
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I don't think I can ever get used to support Annie flash-1shotting the enemy ADC. How does that make any sense?
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On November 27 2013 00:56 Shikyo wrote: I don't think I can ever get used to support Annie flash-1shotting the enemy ADC. How does that make any sense?
That's what she does with mid lane. Now that she has free money, she can do it anywhere!
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On November 27 2013 00:34 Haiq343 wrote: I personally am ok with Wriggles remaining a terrible item for terrible people who play terrible jungles like Yi. It's nice to have the certainty that someone is an idiot instead of merely the suspicion. It's amazing how every time a jungler is an idiot they have Wriggles Lantern in their inventory.
On November 27 2013 00:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 00:56 Shikyo wrote: I don't think I can ever get used to support Annie flash-1shotting the enemy ADC. How does that make any sense? That's what she does with mid lane. Now that she has free money, she can do it anywhere! Mm I think that as a concept Relic Shield is a nice item, lets the support farm a little without the ADC yelling at them, but currently by 20min you get like 76 free minion kills, plenty of which being cannon minions. I mean, that's like... a bit over half a decent ADC's farm back in 2010.
I imagine even going Leblanc and 1shotting enemy ADCs should be viable for support.
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United States23745 Posts
Mathies has some catching up to do on that Syndra player.
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On November 27 2013 01:03 onlywonderboy wrote:Mathies has some catching up to do on that Syndra player. Damn, 2000+ Fiora games. I'm only at 161 and I consider myself rather dedicated.
Wait what the hell. Most Amumu games is only 559? And by AZINGY of all people?
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On November 27 2013 00:34 Haiq343 wrote: I personally am ok with Wriggles remaining a terrible item for terrible people who play terrible jungles like Yi. It's nice to have the certainty that someone is an idiot instead of merely the suspicion.
mobilities wriggles and double swords. the mark of a pro yi
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It's sad seeing the most dedicated Viktor player being plat 5. Really shows you how the few people who excelled at him during S2 pretty much dropped him S3 =(
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On November 26 2013 23:42 Ghost-z wrote: Wriggles cost buffed, now only 1650 gold. What's the break even point for wriggles currently? Like how long do you have to farm jungle constantly to net more gold than the other jungle items?
edit: Late game the conservation passive falls off while wriggles 40% scales with monsters so maybe sitting on madreds for 20 minutes then going wriggles but then you're giving up so much map pressure. Conservation is just too good synergy with ganking. Fucking forever. By the time Wriggles starts kicking in the other lanes are taking your camps. If you're nice you'll never get blues. I had like 180 gold at one point with wriggles yesterday. I thought it was bugged. Then I went to do like 2 more camps but my laners want red and a big golem to finish IE. I doubt I made back like 400 gold from the wriggles (1k gold from jungle post wriggles). Wriggles is just a tax item. You get it so the jungle camps don't kill you while you clear them.
It gives shitty stats and isn't very cost efficient once you leave PvE mode. The wards are nice, but definitely do not redeem the item. I have a hard time thinking of champions that would want it as a first item. Most junglers are melee and melee damage threats get kited so they can't reliably use the move speed. I guess you could get it on Xin or Jungle Twitch or Kayle since they have range but even on them they'd be better off getting the elder lizard or spectral wraith since 25% aspd for 1800 gold is nothing.
On November 27 2013 01:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:It's sad seeing the most dedicated Viktor player being plat 5. Really shows you how the few people who excelled at him during S2 pretty much dropped him S3 =( That doesn't say anything about his viability.
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On November 27 2013 01:05 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 01:03 onlywonderboy wrote:Mathies has some catching up to do on that Syndra player. Damn, 2000+ Fiora games. I'm only at 161 and I consider myself rather dedicated. Wait what the hell. Most Amumu games is only 559? And by AZINGY of all people? They have more games on 1 champion than I have from normal+ranked+customs+whatever else you want to put in there. That's a little crazy.
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