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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On November 27 2013 04:41 TheYango wrote: Obviously OGN should use the Chinese tournament servers that are always like a month late with patches.  Do they have accounts for that server? | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Sure it's not hard if they really wanna do it. Think Yango was mocking them. CLG got unlocked accts on the chinese server to scrim when they were in OGN. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
From my games and from watching streams, usually only bot lane go double relics nowaday. I barely see 2-1-2 anymore. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
At the same time though, I'm interested to see how the koreans adapt to S4. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Self mystery gifting is here, includes Riot skins (Nasus/Graves/Blitz) and TPA skins. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 27 2013 04:58 Requizen wrote: http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/26581-updated-the-legacy-vault-opens-for-a-limited-time Self mystery gifting is here, includes Riot skins (Nasus/Graves/Blitz) and TPA skins. I promised I wasn't going to buy any more RP this year. >.> | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On November 27 2013 05:00 wei2coolman wrote: I promised I wasn't going to buy any more RP this year. >.> Hot dang, I knew I should save my RP from the amex card for christmas time! | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I have red baron corki already(mystery gift OP), and I don't play a lot of the other ones. Still waiting for the january sale(team spirit anivia!) Somewhat tempted to splurge for Riot Nasus and some of the TPA skins though. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
On November 27 2013 05:00 wei2coolman wrote: I promised I wasn't going to buy any more RP this year. >.> edit ; wups didn't see the entire quote soz | ||
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 27 2013 04:35 TheYango wrote: Riot's making the same mistake everyone else is overly attributing a lot of how things play right now to the overtuned Relic Shield. It's a large part, but it's not the only thing. I'd say the combined effect of underleveled bonus XP in jungle and assist streak bonus gold is higher. The bonus jungle XP and assist streak gold are contributing factors, but their impact doesn't surface until at least 10 or so minutes into the game. The first part of the problem is that the balance between jungling and laning has been destroyed by the new support items (regardless of Relic Shield being overtuned) and also the relics. Before: A second support had no income of their own and the enemy jungler's income + map control offset the small farm impact on the top lane. After: The second support has equal income to an AFK farming jungler and a ganking jungler either makes kills happen or falls behind. Remove the new support items and junglers would still be necessary instead of optional/suboptimal, even with assist streaks and catchup XP. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On November 27 2013 05:35 Seuss wrote: The bonus jungle XP and assist streak gold are contributing factors, but their impact doesn't surface until at least 10 or so minutes into the game. The first part of the problem is that the balance between jungling and laning has been destroyed by the new support items (regardless of Relic Shield being overtuned) and also the relics. Before: A second support had no income of their own and the enemy jungler's income + map control offset the small farm impact on the top lane. After: The second support has equal income to an AFK farming jungler and a ganking jungler either makes kills happen or falls behind. Remove the new support items and junglers would still be necessary instead of optional/suboptimal, even with assist streaks and catchup XP. I agree that Relics Shield is op for bot lane, but how does a support can have higher income than a jungler? A duo lane with relic will give a support generously maximum 15 gp10, which means 90 gold/min. A jungler can get at least 90 gold/min by just killing wolf and wraith camp, he doesn't even need to be afk. A golem camp alone worths 70gold. Not to mention camp bounty goes up every minute while lane minion's bounty goes up every 3 minute. Even in the situation where the jungler overgank and fail at farm, he only needs 2 minute of power jungle to catch up to the support. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
The support was ahead by ~2k gold. Assist streaks are simply too high, they're the only reason junglers believe they have more gold currently: because either they get fed so they're rich, or they aren't and they benefit from the assist streaks, giving them a fuckton of gold anyway. I never really feel richer at all (more exp though, yeah) until the teamfights break out. (Also screw the Sona/Ezreal/Singed/Rengar game, no wonder I don't get assists as Brand when they engage 3v5 or 4v5 as I'm catching up to them. T_T) | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On November 27 2013 05:57 canikizu wrote: I agree that Relics Shield is op for bot lane, but how does a support can have higher income than a jungler? A duo lane with relic will give a support generously maximum 15 gp10, which means 90 gold/min. A jungler can get at least 90 gold/min by just killing wolf and wraith camp, he doesn't even need to be afk. A golem camp alone worths 70gold. Not to mention camp bounty goes up every minute while lane minion's bounty goes up every 3 minute. Even in the situation where the jungler overgank and fail at farm, he only needs 2 minute of power jungle to catch up to the support. Assist streaks are a bit OP on anyone who naturally gets a lot of assists which gives supports more gold than any jungler who can't easily farm 3-5 assists in a fight. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
What i feel in this new patch is that the exp levels are alot more flattened than they were s3. creeps giving less exp and jungle giving more exp if you're low level makes everyone stay in close range of exp, makes supports life alot easier now that they're not 6 levels behind solos now. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On November 27 2013 05:59 TheYango wrote: A support can start the game with auxiliary gp10 from other sources (not just the Relic Shield), while a jungler cannot do the same without negatively impacting his ability to jungle. Yeah, but even that is the cases (rune + mastery = 5.25+1.5 = 6.75 gp10), the gold/min difference still not better than a jungler who can farm 3 monster camps once a while. On November 27 2013 06:00 Ghost-z wrote: Assist streaks are a bit OP on anyone who naturally gets a lot of assists which gives supports more gold than any jungler who can't easily farm 3-5 assists in a fight. We are talking about early game. You don't usually get assist streak early game (unless the lane is crazy, I doubt you can see more than 2,3 kill from both sides by 10 minutes). Moreover, because of the nature of the duo bot 2v2, it's harder to score kills/assist without the jungler assist most of the time. So there's no statistic to back up duo bot usually has more kill in laning phrase than other lanes. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
In order to min/max team fight gold you would want to only let the carries get kills so the other 3 could stack the assist bonus (which is 30-60 gold each from a vacuum). They improved support gold from masteries and items vastly so I don't see why this mechanic needs to exist if only to promote the solo Q masses to team fight more often for the bonus gold. edit: From the Wiki + Show Spoiler + Scoring an assist will grant a certain amount of gold. Gold equal to 50% of the amount the killer receives is put in a pot which is split equally among all champions who scored an assist. This percentage (50%) applies before 20 minutes and then linearly increase up to 80% at 35 minutes. If players have 2 more assists than kills they earn 30 additional gold per assist. Additional assists increase this bonus by 15 Gold, capping at 60 gold. This gold cannot be more than the original value of the kill. | ||
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