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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 24 2013 22:34 GMT
#1221
On November 25 2013 07:32 AsnSensation wrote:
in the defense tree, what's better the 4th point in tenacious or runic shield?


4th point in tenacious usually
Spaiku
Profile Joined July 2012
Spain1114 Posts
November 24 2013 22:42 GMT
#1222
On November 25 2013 07:34 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 07:32 AsnSensation wrote:
in the defense tree, what's better the 4th point in tenacious or runic shield?


4th point in tenacious usually

Agree, runic shield is good if you're going for some kind of lvl 1/2 all in but otherwise tenacious stats are much better
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 24 2013 22:50 GMT
#1223
On November 25 2013 07:32 JonnyLaw wrote:
Diana's q was so cheap and cleared waves so early. Then once she hit 6 she killed you.


Her shield at release was pretty bullshit too.

I remember all-inning one in my creep wave at level three as pantheon. Diana sat there, pressed W and just killed me.

lol. They nerfed her W's Damage, shield amount, and made it only refresh once instead of twice.
PhOeniX[MinD]
Profile Joined August 2008
361 Posts
November 24 2013 23:08 GMT
#1224
do you see double top happening or i am crazy and noob?
KT_FlaSh #1
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 24 2013 23:21 GMT
#1225
On November 25 2013 08:08 PhOeniX[MinD] wrote:
do you see double top happening or i am crazy and noob?


Depends.

Seems to me, that if you are facing double top and get a small advantage, you can just play super aggro without really any repercussions. Also, inevitably this jungle will get changed because right now it is once again not accomplishing a single goal laid out by Riot's pre-season team.
Freeeeeeedom
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 24 2013 23:36 GMT
#1226
On November 25 2013 07:00 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
best rule is to pick yorick and make every teamfight 10v5


You're up against Zilean, they all buy GA. 15v10 gg
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 24 2013 23:47 GMT
#1227
On November 25 2013 08:36 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 07:00 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
best rule is to pick yorick and make every teamfight 10v5


You're up against Zilean, they all buy GA. 15v10 gg


Nonono.

Its all about dat Shaco.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 25 2013 00:18 GMT
#1228
On November 25 2013 08:47 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 08:36 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 25 2013 07:00 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
best rule is to pick yorick and make every teamfight 10v5


You're up against Zilean, they all buy GA. 15v10 gg


Nonono.

Its all about dat Shaco.


You think you're team fighting, but really they're all backdooring your nexus.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 00:30:10
November 25 2013 00:29 GMT
#1229
On November 25 2013 07:22 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 07:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On November 25 2013 03:28 TheYango wrote:
On November 25 2013 02:32 Alzadar wrote:
You can't just say that without providing your own opinion...

Most obvious ones are Diana/Rengar.

Zyra had somewhat overtuned numbers, but that was it. Diana and Rengar fundamentally warped how the game was played and, drove the shift from how the game was played at Worlds to how the game was played at IPL5. Zyra's strength was more obvious, but Diana and Rengar were definitely more "overpowered".


Why was Diana so extreme? She's a little tankier than Katarina and Akali but I don't see how she's so fundamentally different from them that she warped the game and they didn't.

Rengar is obvious, don't need an explanation there lol


Diana kinda pioneered the "midlane assassin with infinite waveclear" thing. So, like, was the spiritual predecessor to our midlane problems: Assassins that cant be harassed out of lane with ease.

You're also forgetting how Diana's release base damages were so high that she should go GA first and still be a burst threat.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 25 2013 00:37 GMT
#1230
On November 25 2013 09:29 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 07:22 cLutZ wrote:
On November 25 2013 07:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On November 25 2013 03:28 TheYango wrote:
On November 25 2013 02:32 Alzadar wrote:
You can't just say that without providing your own opinion...

Most obvious ones are Diana/Rengar.

Zyra had somewhat overtuned numbers, but that was it. Diana and Rengar fundamentally warped how the game was played and, drove the shift from how the game was played at Worlds to how the game was played at IPL5. Zyra's strength was more obvious, but Diana and Rengar were definitely more "overpowered".


Why was Diana so extreme? She's a little tankier than Katarina and Akali but I don't see how she's so fundamentally different from them that she warped the game and they didn't.

Rengar is obvious, don't need an explanation there lol


Diana kinda pioneered the "midlane assassin with infinite waveclear" thing. So, like, was the spiritual predecessor to our midlane problems: Assassins that cant be harassed out of lane with ease.

You're also forgetting how Diana's release base damages were so high that she should go GA first and still be a burst threat.


Well there is being OP, then there is being OP and bad for the game even when "balanced".
Freeeeeeedom
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 25 2013 00:43 GMT
#1231
On November 25 2013 09:18 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 08:47 iCanada wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:36 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 25 2013 07:00 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
best rule is to pick yorick and make every teamfight 10v5


You're up against Zilean, they all buy GA. 15v10 gg


Nonono.

Its all about dat Shaco.


You think you're team fighting, but really they're all backdooring your nexus.

lol
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 25 2013 01:00 GMT
#1232
Well we were 5 yorick vs 5 riven and it was just impossible. Couldn't catch them ever when we had the advantage and couldn't retreat ever when they had the advantage
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 25 2013 01:14 GMT
#1233
I just got Karma in ARAM. Would it be too much to ask to let her Mantra-W heal off of minions? You are wasting an ult after all.
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 25 2013 01:17 GMT
#1234
So you're here talking about free sustain and complaining about stuff and "toxic" design, and you think it'd be fair to let Karma heal herself for 40% of her missing health every 30s or so?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 25 2013 01:27 GMT
#1235
I thought until yesterday that Karma could still bank charges of Mantra...silly me
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 25 2013 01:40 GMT
#1236
On November 25 2013 10:17 Alaric wrote:
So you're here talking about free sustain and complaining about stuff and "toxic" design, and you think it'd be fair to let Karma heal herself for 40% of her missing health every 30s or so?


Just saying. Her W is really boring in ARAM. I guess I should have specified and moved my discussion to the super serious ARAM discussion guide.
Freeeeeeedom
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 01:58:18
November 25 2013 01:54 GMT
#1237
nvm
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
November 25 2013 01:55 GMT
#1238
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410406
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 25 2013 01:55 GMT
#1239
On November 25 2013 09:29 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 07:22 cLutZ wrote:
On November 25 2013 07:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On November 25 2013 03:28 TheYango wrote:
On November 25 2013 02:32 Alzadar wrote:
You can't just say that without providing your own opinion...

Most obvious ones are Diana/Rengar.

Zyra had somewhat overtuned numbers, but that was it. Diana and Rengar fundamentally warped how the game was played and, drove the shift from how the game was played at Worlds to how the game was played at IPL5. Zyra's strength was more obvious, but Diana and Rengar were definitely more "overpowered".


Why was Diana so extreme? She's a little tankier than Katarina and Akali but I don't see how she's so fundamentally different from them that she warped the game and they didn't.

Rengar is obvious, don't need an explanation there lol


Diana kinda pioneered the "midlane assassin with infinite waveclear" thing. So, like, was the spiritual predecessor to our midlane problems: Assassins that cant be harassed out of lane with ease.

You're also forgetting how Diana's release base damages were so high that she should go GA first and still be a burst threat.

Release diana so terror. It was like season 1 akali, except tankier and more absurd.
liftlift > tsm
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 25 2013 02:40 GMT
#1240
On November 25 2013 10:55 wei2coolman wrote:
Release diana so terror. It was like season 1 akali, except tankier and more absurd.


I said this back in august and dandel lon and sylverfyre called bull shit. I'll remember which posts to skip in gd.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=360629&currentpage=78#1556
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