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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
On November 22 2013 14:19 phyvo wrote: No, riot has to nerf everything. All the AP mids going bot must suffer and feel the same pain supports have felt... All hail the second coming of AD mids. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Support rush gp item -> Banner of Command Jungle rushes jungle item -> Ohmwrecker 15 minutes, all mid and shove it down their throats, grab their blue and dragon | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On November 22 2013 14:21 Requizen wrote: Wriggles losing lifesteal really sucks, although the AS is pretty decent. Lifesteal on wriggles sucked. You pretty much always wish the vamp scepter was in a different item. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I want the silliness to last forever | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 22 2013 13:29 Scip wrote: Stonewall did and complained and bitched all throughout the 11 minute video, you should watch it, it's hilarious hahaha 2-1-2 lanes, neither team bothered to get both buffs. Imagine if the only role I play stopped existing, that would be lobstronomous The funny part was when everyone was making fun of the video. It's probably less so jungling now so much as it's going to be roaming 2ndry support if these supports really are gaining so much gold. Also for tourneys like ogn, when they switching over? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 22 2013 13:35 Zdrastochye wrote: If Riot saw people abandoning jungle altogether, do you really think they wouldn't try to buff it up to make jungling more viable? Really Scip, sometimes I wonder... It's pretty funny, they tried so hard in season 1 to try and make jungling optional, and now, 3 seasons later when it's no longer a part of their gameplay design goals, they finally succeeded. EDIT: Or maybe it was a part of their goals the whole time. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 22 2013 15:04 TheYango wrote: It's pretty funny, they tried so hard in season 1 to try and make jungling optional, and now, 3 seasons later when it's no longer a part of their gameplay design goals, they finally succeeded. EDIT: Or maybe it was a part of their goals the whole time. Riot has a funny history of wanting something, and doing the exact opposite. eg. percent health dmg, sustain, etc etc. Support going to be the favorite role now, it's like mid lane, without having to cs. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 22 2013 13:28 TheLink wrote: Nothing to do with champion numbers. Team Liquid just hates Riot's constant ham-handed attempts to make melee AD glass cannon champions (me included). Yes. We Do. Because they are either current Talon/Yi/Fiora (bad) or Zed/Trynd (op/up at the same time!). On November 22 2013 13:53 Ryuu314 wrote: eh. Personally I think the melee ad carry label is a stupid classification. If you're an AD melee champ you either build and play like an assassin or you build/play like a bruiser. Example: Master Yi can build glass cannon, but then he needs to play like an assassin. Go after isolated targets/ join fights after all the scary abilities have been blown and clean up w/ ult. Or you play like a bruiser and build slightly tankier. Master Yi is a bad assassin. He is an ADC who is super snowbally. Like a Jinx who could only execute. TL is skeptical about this champion because it is a Melle, Manaless, AD who is supposed to use Crit. There is almost no way to make him more difficult to balance. The closest thing is Tryndamere who is an ass in soloqueue, and bad in competitive. Depending, he could also be like Zed, who is terror in Competitive. On November 22 2013 14:13 thenexusp wrote: If it turns out that "traditional" supports turn out to be unviable after these changes, I will eat a sock if Riot doesn't just buff the "traditional" supports so they do become viable. Really? I would expect.... On November 22 2013 14:19 phyvo wrote: No, riot has to nerf everything. All the AP mids going bot must suffer and feel the same pain supports have felt... This. Goodbye Orianna mid. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Shameless plug :p | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Pantheon support is new meta, imo. 100% winrate imo. Source; My last three Normals. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
New item lets him pick up stacks while still shuttling farm to the ADC. T.R.O.L.L.S. somehow beat the meta by like a year. Good work Monte. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Then season 4 they create like 20 gp items that give more gold than going philo/kage/hog would have ever given. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
Also, games are so flushed with gold compared to before. There will need to be tuning for this. Also, Veigar support no longer troll, and Morg support is finally getting the respect it deserves. On November 22 2013 15:56 ticklishmusic wrote: Riot complained about gp5 and threw out or nerfed most of them Then season 4 they create like 20 gp items that give more gold than going philo/kage/hog would have ever given. The main reason these GP/10 are better from a design standpoint in that there is conditionality for the majority of the gold gen, and there needs to be some active gameplay to it. You can't just sit on the items somewhere and rice gold. Basically from a design perspective, it's passive vs active gold generation, Spellthiefs in particular, and while Nomad's is passive its conditionality and stats (same with Kages) relegates it for supports alone. Relic just stands out because more gold gen, free/easy last hits, and very relevant stats for EVERYONE (hp/hp regen), which is allowing basically every role besides mid to pick it up (top if jangler decides to take the 2-1-2 route). | ||
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
On November 22 2013 15:56 Lord Tolkien wrote: Honestly, if Riot doesn't immediately hit Relic/Targon's very soon, I'll eat a sock (ok not rly). It's just far too overtuned compared to other GP/10, and currently suffocating other starts (4 relic starts are going to be pretty damn common this patch). It should be viable still, Also, Veigar support no longer troll, and Morg support is finally getting the respect it deserves. Morg support didn't really deserve respect before, when you're only building boots, sightstone and oracles, she doesn't really do much once the laning phase ends. And she struggles a bit if she can't get an early chalice (I'm sure it's not required, but it does make her waaaay more annoying in lane). .... but ye she's pretty nice now http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23192784#history PS: Called it. >_> | ||
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