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On November 22 2013 13:29 Scip wrote:
Stonewall did and complained and bitched all throughout the 11 minute video, you should watch it, it's hilarious
hahaha 2-1-2 lanes, neither team bothered to get both buffs. Imagine if the only role I play stopped existing, that would be lobstronomous
If Riot saw people abandoning jungle altogether, do you really think they wouldn't try to buff it up to make jungling more viable? Really Scip, sometimes I wonder...
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On November 22 2013 13:29 Scip wrote:
Stonewall did and complained and bitched all throughout the 11 minute video, you should watch it, it's hilarious
hahaha 2-1-2 lanes, neither team bothered to get both buffs. Imagine if the only role I play stopped existing, that would be lobstronomous
as long as targon is unchanged and the exp from behind thing stays the same I see absolutely no reason for there to be a full-time jungler.
Honestly, I think Riot really dropped the ball on these changes. More support gold sounds cool, but then when you add in all the nerfs to traditional supports across the board, plus the fact that non-traditional supports scale better with items, Riot basically just wiped out an entire group of champions from viability. Then the jungle changes honestly hurt junglers more than anything since Targon is just so damn good, while the jungle gold items are meh especially with the gold/exp nerfs to all the jungle camps.
On November 22 2013 13:35 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 13:29 Scip wrote:
Stonewall did and complained and bitched all throughout the 11 minute video, you should watch it, it's hilarious
hahaha 2-1-2 lanes, neither team bothered to get both buffs. Imagine if the only role I play stopped existing, that would be lobstronomous If Riot saw people abandoning jungle altogether, do you really think they wouldn't try to buff it up to make jungling more viable? Really Scip, sometimes I wonder...
Well, to be fair jungling was never an intended part of the game, at least from Riot's point of view.
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This now showing up on PBE is understandable, the people there are awful. What I want to know: How did this not show up in the pro trials?
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On November 22 2013 13:38 Gahlo wrote:
This now showing up on PBE is understandable, the people there are awful. What I want to know: How did this not show up in the pro trials?
Small sample size of games + I'm willing to bet there were some changes between pro trials and release. Besides, just because you're a pro player doesn't necessarily mean you'll have the imagination/theory-crafting ability to think up of these things.
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good thing tower give less gold+a lot of free wards means I don't have to care about my towers being pushed down when I jungle
I still like my hyperfarm style
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On November 22 2013 13:28 TheLink wrote:
Nothing to do with champion numbers. Team Liquid just hates Riot's constant ham-handed attempts to make melee AD glass cannon champions (me included).
eh. Personally I think the melee ad carry label is a stupid classification. If you're an AD melee champ you either build and play like an assassin or you build/play like a bruiser.
Example: Master Yi can build glass cannon, but then he needs to play like an assassin. Go after isolated targets/ join fights after all the scary abilities have been blown and clean up w/ ult. Or you play like a bruiser and build slightly tankier.
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How would you classify splitpush tryndamere then
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I think the new champion is purely designed to make someone that Ghostblade actually works well on. His Q and E must have very short cooldowns and be pretty weak, which seems kind of cool though. Like and AD caster version of Ryze.
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On November 22 2013 13:55 Scip wrote:
How would you classify splitpush tryndamere then
an annoying pain in the ass.
more seriously, a bruiser. The greater the defensive steroids, the more offensive items you can build on a melee champ. Tryn has arguably the strongest defensive steroid in the game, allowing him to build no defensive items outside maybe QSS. Aatrox is similar - teams like to build him reasonably tanky, but he's been built glass cannon before with reasonably success.
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1) How viable do you guys think it is to have adc's firstbuy the executioner item?
2) I'm really having a lot of fun with alistar, and with the new ally minion kill/when behind in levels near ally, gain exp masteries is a roam/jungle ali viable again? I've only played a handful of games with him in ~silver 3 running flash/tp and i've just been doing a blue leash->roam party, which is pretty fun, but I don't know if it's viable with people that are good T-T
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On November 22 2013 12:57 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 12:47 Kinie wrote:On November 22 2013 11:47 cLutZ wrote:
Uhhg. So the new champion is either another AD Assassin (we have too many already), or a Melle AD "carry" (no place in the game).
Riven says hi, I find a place just fine thank you very much. On November 22 2013 12:20 Alzadar wrote:Passive: Yasuo's critical strike chance is doubled. Seriously, what? I feel like Riot's balance team has 0 communication with Riot's champion design teams. Can I point you to this champion named Tryndamere, who has a passive that, with proper itemization, is 100% GUARANTEED crit chance on EVERY SINGLE AA? As for Yasuo himself, he strikes me as a Riven-esque character; someone who you are meant to weave your skills in with AA, then if done right, Omnislash the entire team while they're in mid-air, eat massive damage, and if they survive has significantly reduced armor vs. Yasuo afterwards for a few seconds. Also, reading his lore: " However, his fate was changed forever when Noxus invaded." Someone's seen ATLA too much. Hell, the champion's skillset revolves around using wind technique elements. And if confirmed as manaless, this would be the first resourceless champion in a fair while, right? And isn't Yasuo also designed by the same person who made Riven and Trynd? Nope, Yasuo is designed by CertainlyT, who also designed Thresh, Zed, Darius and Zyra. kit will be broken.... http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=41108058#41108058on another note, support too hard. was fine being ward bitch with oracles and carrying game by wining vision allowing for picks and for team not being retarded. now too confused, what do i buy with all this money? thoughts on best gp item, and other support items (banner, crucible, ohmwrecker LOL)
rofl that champion list, god have mercy
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On November 22 2013 13:55 Scip wrote:
How would you classify splitpush tryndamere then
Balanced. :p
Two initial thoughts so far. Its clear who the fuck has never played support or bought a ward in their life atm.
Even with a free ward, map is dark. Also clear when your with someone who doesnt read patch notes. Had a vayne say in all chat "report zyra csing" the other team just lol"d as did ours.
My other thought is my disdain for jungle item changes. It takes 10 minutes after geting golem to just pay back the stats lost, which means until around 22~mins your weaker then last season, though i cant comment on new camp location too few games.
I guess i have a third initial thought. Whoever was the one at riot to believe this "catch up" exp was a good idea is mentally retarded.
I do like more gold on support, this way i can be content with anyrole and feel i can have decent influence over the result of the match.
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On November 22 2013 13:59 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 13:55 Scip wrote:
How would you classify splitpush tryndamere then an annoying pain in the ass. more seriously, a bruiser. The greater the defensive steroids, the more offensive items you can build on a melee champ. Tryn has arguably the strongest defensive steroid in the game, allowing him to build no defensive items outside maybe QSS. Aatrox is similar - teams like to build him reasonably tanky, but he's been built glass cannon before with reasonably success.
He plays very differently in teamfights from all the bruisers
more specifically he doesn't teamfight
your classification is pretty incomplete and/or too vague I'd say
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Straying rather close to the forbidden glasscannon -> bruiser -> tank spectrum. 
Are these NACL matches actually worth anything? wondering if all this trolling is with something on the line.
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On November 22 2013 13:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
Honestly, I think Riot really dropped the ball on these changes. More support gold sounds cool, but then when you add in all the nerfs to traditional supports across the board, plus the fact that non-traditional supports scale better with items, Riot basically just wiped out an entire group of champions from viability. Then the jungle changes honestly hurt junglers more than anything since Targon is just so damn good, while the jungle gold items are meh especially with the gold/exp nerfs to all the jungle camps.
If it turns out that "traditional" supports turn out to be unviable after these changes, I will eat a sock if Riot doesn't just buff the "traditional" supports so they do become viable.
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hahaha this game makes me think of just how viable might Anivia become
you might not win but you'll never lose
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On November 22 2013 14:07 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 13:59 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 22 2013 13:55 Scip wrote:
How would you classify splitpush tryndamere then an annoying pain in the ass. more seriously, a bruiser. The greater the defensive steroids, the more offensive items you can build on a melee champ. Tryn has arguably the strongest defensive steroid in the game, allowing him to build no defensive items outside maybe QSS. Aatrox is similar - teams like to build him reasonably tanky, but he's been built glass cannon before with reasonably success. He plays very differently in teamfights from all the bruisers more specifically he doesn't teamfight your classification is pretty incomplete and/or too vague I'd say
that's fair enough. Tryn's a bit of an oddity. There's not really any champ similar to him except maybe AD nidalee when she was still a thing.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is the hatred for "melee ad carries" that build glass cannon seems really odd to me when we already have champs like Riven and Jax who build purely offensive items for their first few items and people have no issues with calling them bruisers.
On November 22 2013 14:13 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 13:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
Honestly, I think Riot really dropped the ball on these changes. More support gold sounds cool, but then when you add in all the nerfs to traditional supports across the board, plus the fact that non-traditional supports scale better with items, Riot basically just wiped out an entire group of champions from viability. Then the jungle changes honestly hurt junglers more than anything since Targon is just so damn good, while the jungle gold items are meh especially with the gold/exp nerfs to all the jungle camps. If it turns out that "traditional" supports turn out to be unviable after these changes, I will eat a sock if Riot doesn't just buff the "traditional" supports so they do become viable.
That's kinda what I'm hoping for. To be honest, I was really surprised that Riot didn't just straight up buff traditional supports in the first place, especially considering how non-traditional supports have already been gaining popularity. Namely Annie and Zyra support.
I can also see Riot scaling back on the increased gold changes.
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On November 22 2013 14:02 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 12:57 nobodywonder wrote:On November 22 2013 12:47 Kinie wrote:On November 22 2013 11:47 cLutZ wrote:
Uhhg. So the new champion is either another AD Assassin (we have too many already), or a Melle AD "carry" (no place in the game).
Riven says hi, I find a place just fine thank you very much. On November 22 2013 12:20 Alzadar wrote:Passive: Yasuo's critical strike chance is doubled. Seriously, what? I feel like Riot's balance team has 0 communication with Riot's champion design teams. Can I point you to this champion named Tryndamere, who has a passive that, with proper itemization, is 100% GUARANTEED crit chance on EVERY SINGLE AA? As for Yasuo himself, he strikes me as a Riven-esque character; someone who you are meant to weave your skills in with AA, then if done right, Omnislash the entire team while they're in mid-air, eat massive damage, and if they survive has significantly reduced armor vs. Yasuo afterwards for a few seconds. Also, reading his lore: " However, his fate was changed forever when Noxus invaded." Someone's seen ATLA too much. Hell, the champion's skillset revolves around using wind technique elements. And if confirmed as manaless, this would be the first resourceless champion in a fair while, right? And isn't Yasuo also designed by the same person who made Riven and Trynd? Nope, Yasuo is designed by CertainlyT, who also designed Thresh, Zed, Darius and Zyra. kit will be broken.... http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=41108058#41108058on another note, support too hard. was fine being ward bitch with oracles and carrying game by wining vision allowing for picks and for team not being retarded. now too confused, what do i buy with all this money? thoughts on best gp item, and other support items (banner, crucible, ohmwrecker LOL) rofl that champion list, god have mercy
He made interesting and unique champions.
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All those champions are really cool
especially Thresh and Zyra
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On November 22 2013 14:13 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 13:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
Honestly, I think Riot really dropped the ball on these changes. More support gold sounds cool, but then when you add in all the nerfs to traditional supports across the board, plus the fact that non-traditional supports scale better with items, Riot basically just wiped out an entire group of champions from viability. Then the jungle changes honestly hurt junglers more than anything since Targon is just so damn good, while the jungle gold items are meh especially with the gold/exp nerfs to all the jungle camps. If it turns out that "traditional" supports turn out to be unviable after these changes, I will eat a sock if Riot doesn't just buff the "traditional" supports so they do become viable.
No, riot has to nerf everything.
All the AP mids going bot must suffer and feel the same pain supports have felt...
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