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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
November 22 2013 03:47 GMT
#481
so i am completely lost in this preseason as a support.

what should I be doing?
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 22 2013 03:47 GMT
#482
Champ sounds pretty fun.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 22 2013 03:52 GMT
#483
On November 22 2013 12:47 koreasilver wrote:
Champ sounds pretty fun.

And that is all I care about. I play a game, not a sport.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 22 2013 03:55 GMT
#484
On November 22 2013 12:46 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 12:15 cLutZ wrote:
On November 22 2013 11:47 cLutZ wrote:
Uhhg. So the new champion is either another AD Assassin (we have too many already), or a Melle AD "carry" (no place in the game).



Haha. And confirmed manaless. AHAHAHAHA.


source?i don't have time to catch up 4000000 pages of this thread

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=43207477#post43207477

On November 22 2013 12:47 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 11:47 cLutZ wrote:
Uhhg. So the new champion is either another AD Assassin (we have too many already), or a Melle AD "carry" (no place in the game).



Riven says hi, I find a place just fine thank you very much.

Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 12:20 Alzadar wrote:
On November 22 2013 11:24 Gahlo wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-reveal/yasuo-unforgiven-revealed
Oh look, now I can live out my advent children omnislash fantasy in league.


Passive: Yasuo's critical strike chance is doubled.

Seriously, what?

I feel like Riot's balance team has 0 communication with Riot's champion design teams.


Can I point you to this champion named Tryndamere, who has a passive that, with proper itemization, is 100% GUARANTEED crit chance on EVERY SINGLE AA?

As for Yasuo himself, he strikes me as a Riven-esque character; someone who you are meant to weave your skills in with AA, then if done right, Omnislash the entire team while they're in mid-air, eat massive damage, and if they survive has significantly reduced armor vs. Yasuo afterwards for a few seconds.

Also, reading his lore:

" However, his fate was changed forever when Noxus invaded."

Someone's seen ATLA too much. Hell, the champion's skillset revolves around using wind technique elements. And if confirmed as manaless, this would be the first resourceless champion in a fair while, right? And isn't Yasuo also designed by the same person who made Riven and Trynd?


Riven is Assassin/Bruiser. This champ, by virtue of the passive is more likely to be Zed/Trynd.
Freeeeeeedom
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
November 22 2013 03:56 GMT
#485
On November 22 2013 12:36 Scip wrote:
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On November 22 2013 12:34 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On NACL, TBD just bought a 4 relic start (only mid lane didn't buy it).

Guess lanes are now 2/1/2.

if you can force a 1v2 2v1 at first

While that is the case, relic currently greatly stands out over the other gold gen items. Even in a 2v2, both champs grabbing a relic is a possibility.

Also, TBD vs ggLA, Arthelon builds a Tri-hat Quad-Hat and Roberto picks up a Zhonyas.

My troll senses are tingling.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 22 2013 03:56 GMT
#486
On November 22 2013 12:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 12:47 koreasilver wrote:
Champ sounds pretty fun.

And that is all I care about. I play a game, not a sport.

That's what SC2 is for
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 03:58:33
November 22 2013 03:57 GMT
#487
Ye, we played quite a few ranked5s today and it our bot lane liked double relic starts the best
Jinx going Ranaan's I think, do her side-attacks splash when she has her thing active?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 04:01:21
November 22 2013 03:57 GMT
#488
On November 22 2013 12:47 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 11:47 cLutZ wrote:
Uhhg. So the new champion is either another AD Assassin (we have too many already), or a Melle AD "carry" (no place in the game).



Riven says hi, I find a place just fine thank you very much.

Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 12:20 Alzadar wrote:
On November 22 2013 11:24 Gahlo wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-reveal/yasuo-unforgiven-revealed
Oh look, now I can live out my advent children omnislash fantasy in league.


Passive: Yasuo's critical strike chance is doubled.

Seriously, what?

I feel like Riot's balance team has 0 communication with Riot's champion design teams.


Can I point you to this champion named Tryndamere, who has a passive that, with proper itemization, is 100% GUARANTEED crit chance on EVERY SINGLE AA?

As for Yasuo himself, he strikes me as a Riven-esque character; someone who you are meant to weave your skills in with AA, then if done right, Omnislash the entire team while they're in mid-air, eat massive damage, and if they survive has significantly reduced armor vs. Yasuo afterwards for a few seconds.

Also, reading his lore:

" However, his fate was changed forever when Noxus invaded."

Someone's seen ATLA too much. Hell, the champion's skillset revolves around using wind technique elements. And if confirmed as manaless, this would be the first resourceless champion in a fair while, right? And isn't Yasuo also designed by the same person who made Riven and Trynd?


Nope, Yasuo is designed by CertainlyT, who also designed Thresh, Zed, Darius and Zyra. kit will be broken....
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=41108058#41108058

on another note, support too hard. was fine being ward bitch with oracles and carrying game by wining vision allowing for picks and for team not being retarded. now too confused, what do i buy with all this money? thoughts on best gp item, and other support items (banner, crucible, ohmwrecker LOL)
i want nobody nobody but you! *clap* *clap*- wonder girls
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
November 22 2013 04:00 GMT
#489
On November 22 2013 12:57 nobodywonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 12:47 Kinie wrote:

Riven says hi, I find a place just fine thank you very much.

On November 22 2013 12:20 Alzadar wrote:
On November 22 2013 11:24 Gahlo wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-reveal/yasuo-unforgiven-revealed
Oh look, now I can live out my advent children omnislash fantasy in league.


Passive: Yasuo's critical strike chance is doubled.

Seriously, what?

I feel like Riot's balance team has 0 communication with Riot's champion design teams.


Can I point you to this champion named Tryndamere, who has a passive that, with proper itemization, is 100% GUARANTEED crit chance on EVERY SINGLE AA?

As for Yasuo himself, he strikes me as a Riven-esque character; someone who you are meant to weave your skills in with AA, then if done right, Omnislash the entire team while they're in mid-air, eat massive damage, and if they survive has significantly reduced armor vs. Yasuo afterwards for a few seconds.

Also, reading his lore:

" However, his fate was changed forever when Noxus invaded."

Someone's seen ATLA too much. Hell, the champion's skillset revolves around using wind technique elements. And if confirmed as manaless, this would be the first resourceless champion in a fair while, right? And isn't Yasuo also designed by the same person who made Riven and Trynd?


Nope, Yasuo is designed by CertainlyT, who also designed Thresh, Zed, Darius and Zyra. kit will be broken....
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=41108058#41108058


Thank you for correcting me. And yeah, I'm expecting his kit to be broken OP, or broken UP at launch on PBE. If his shield passive scales off AD and they can properly keep the wind debuff on enemies so he can Omnislash them all, then I think he'll be decent.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
November 22 2013 04:01 GMT
#490
On November 22 2013 12:47 jpak wrote:
so i am completely lost in this preseason as a support.

what should I be doing?

Play somebody tanky. Buy a sightstone and the relic one, get the scrying thing to keep your bush clear. Build like a tanky top. Farm jungle in midgame.Collect wins from anyone trying to cling on to the idea of a caster support.

But most importantly: constantly bitch at you team to ward and ping to tell them where to place them (make them do their own lane wards).

Ap mid's are also even stronger as supports, in particular fiddle with the free gold is plain silly.

The amount of gold from the kage's replacement is feels ridiculous, you can easily get 1.5k gold+ from it, even if it's worse than the other gold items it is at least fun. I need to stop buying wards when i back out of habit, it's wasting so much gold.
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Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
November 22 2013 04:03 GMT
#491
On November 22 2013 12:47 jpak wrote:
so i am completely lost in this preseason as a support.

what should I be doing?


Step 1) Always buy Relic Shield. Even if you'd rather have one of the other final items like Shurs, start the game with Relic.

Step 2) Play Morgana.**
Step 3) ???
Step 4) Profit.


*I'm 6-1 with Morgana Support so far (low gold), 13-2 on the PBE too though that obviously means way less.. It's kind of cheap, trade hard. Even if you lose lane we all know Morgana can be a beast in teamfights. She can just stay in so long and provide so much swing. Etc. Morgana. :D

**Other supports probably work too, but get Relic Shield. It's broken and I have no idea how it got to live.
3.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
November 22 2013 04:09 GMT
#492
Yeah support Morgana is pretty godly now that you can afford Zhonyas, especially since a sudden surge in leona after this patch. Support Annie is hilarious now, Dcap-void support annie blowing squishies up in team fights is so stupid
Platinum Support GOD
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
November 22 2013 04:13 GMT
#493
On November 22 2013 12:47 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 11:47 cLutZ wrote:
Uhhg. So the new champion is either another AD Assassin (we have too many already), or a Melle AD "carry" (no place in the game).



Riven says hi, I find a place just fine thank you very much.

Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 12:20 Alzadar wrote:
On November 22 2013 11:24 Gahlo wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-reveal/yasuo-unforgiven-revealed
Oh look, now I can live out my advent children omnislash fantasy in league.


Passive: Yasuo's critical strike chance is doubled.

Seriously, what?

I feel like Riot's balance team has 0 communication with Riot's champion design teams.


Can I point you to this champion named Tryndamere, who has a passive that, with proper itemization, is 100% GUARANTEED crit chance on EVERY SINGLE AA?


Tryndamere has to stack his passive, which is likely to take ~15 auto-attacks from zero. Yasuo's passive will essentially give him a fully charged Tryndamere passive at all times as soon as he comples a crit item.

Yes, he could still be "balanced" (in terms of winrate) in spite of that, mostly due to being a melee squishy. That wouldn't change the fact that getting straight up double value from items is really poor design and incredibly obnoxious to play against, without actually being a fun mechanic or interesting in any way. Tryndamere at least has the stacking mechanic and is very weak when his Fury is depleted.
I am the Town Medic.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 22 2013 04:14 GMT
#494
On November 22 2013 11:02 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 10:22 TheYango wrote:
Read the patch notes:
Context: Junglers who fall behind had no opportunity to catch up, so now Jungle monsters grant bonus XP to champions who are lower level than the monster they killed.

Jungle monsters grant 50% bonus XP per level to lower-level champions, up to a cap

It's supposed to help junglers catch up, but what it means is by midgame, the most efficient person to have farming jungle is the support because they're getting 50% bonus XP per level for free just by being lower level.

Given how Relic Shield can still be fully utilized even if you're only sometimes in lanes, and Golem Spirit can be fully utilized even if you're only sometimes farming jungle, it could actually be very realistic.


Why the hell did they think it was too hard for junglers to get back in the game anyway?

<_<

Brutal. All that change does for junglers is reduce jungler skill gap, as far as I am concerned. Unless they massively changed gold generation.

lol
because it was really hard to come back from the jungle
the further you fell back the slower you killed jungle creeps the further you fell back
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 22 2013 04:26 GMT
#495
On November 22 2013 13:13 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 12:47 Kinie wrote:
On November 22 2013 11:47 cLutZ wrote:
Uhhg. So the new champion is either another AD Assassin (we have too many already), or a Melle AD "carry" (no place in the game).



Riven says hi, I find a place just fine thank you very much.

On November 22 2013 12:20 Alzadar wrote:
On November 22 2013 11:24 Gahlo wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-reveal/yasuo-unforgiven-revealed
Oh look, now I can live out my advent children omnislash fantasy in league.


Passive: Yasuo's critical strike chance is doubled.

Seriously, what?

I feel like Riot's balance team has 0 communication with Riot's champion design teams.


Can I point you to this champion named Tryndamere, who has a passive that, with proper itemization, is 100% GUARANTEED crit chance on EVERY SINGLE AA?


Tryndamere has to stack his passive, which is likely to take ~15 auto-attacks from zero. Yasuo's passive will essentially give him a fully charged Tryndamere passive at all times as soon as he comples a crit item.

Yes, he could still be "balanced" (in terms of winrate) in spite of that, mostly due to being a melee squishy. That wouldn't change the fact that getting straight up double value from items is really poor design and incredibly obnoxious to play against, without actually being a fun mechanic or interesting in any way. Tryndamere at least has the stacking mechanic and is very weak when his Fury is depleted.

geezus. can we refrain from all this op/up talk about champions when we haven't even seen any numbers yet? for all we know the rest of his kit has shit numbers, or he has low as fuck base stats, or whatever.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
November 22 2013 04:28 GMT
#496
Nothing to do with champion numbers. Team Liquid just hates Riot's constant ham-handed attempts to make melee AD glass cannon champions (me included).
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 22 2013 04:28 GMT
#497
Anyone done Yi jungle yet?
It's your boy Guzma!
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 04:31:29
November 22 2013 04:29 GMT
#498
Stonewall did and complained and bitched all throughout the 11 minute video, you should watch it, it's hilarious

hahaha 2-1-2 lanes, neither team bothered to get both buffs. Imagine if the only role I play stopped existing, that would be lobstronomous
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
November 22 2013 04:33 GMT
#499
On November 22 2013 13:29 Scip wrote:
Stonewall did and complained and bitched all throughout the 11 minute video, you should watch it, it's hilarious

hahaha 2-1-2 lanes, neither team bothered to get both buffs. Imagine if the only role I play stopped existing, that would be lobstronomous

Seriously. It was so nice to always get your position in soloq...
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 22 2013 04:33 GMT
#500
Stonewall complaining about things isn't new.
It's your boy Guzma!
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