EPT[Patch 3.14] PreSeason 4 General Discussion - Page 20
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Kupon3ss
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 22 2013 09:03 Perplex wrote: Someone MUST have sweeper. Lategame is impossible without sweeper now that oracles is gone. Clearing vision is really really hard, not sure how I feel about the complete removal of oracles It was the only way to give supports and junglers with no support on their teams gold. On November 22 2013 08:56 Zdrastochye wrote: I hit plenty of full channel nados, it's easy in team fights because people don't think to dodge it, or you can cast it from fog. I disagree. It is a bit lackluster but that's because in a teamfight you'll rarely charge it to full. It goes on cooldown when you let it go and you want the better aim of casting it sooner most of the time. The range from the fully charged Q is nice but most of the time you can't guess where someone a screen away is going to be like 6 seconds later. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It'd actually make a lot of sense, tbh. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 22 2013 09:57 UnKooL wrote: Supports are getting too much gold, they are second ap carry or tank top status atm. And everyone has to buy wards, nobody can blame the support now if theres no wards on the map lol. They kind of are, but junglers are kinda gated by having poor stats on some of their items. So while they have more gold, they can still be as weak as a laner with the same gold. Eg. If Yi could get an IE instead of wriggles first, he would. All the support items have actives though so it's hard to say for them. On November 22 2013 10:01 TheYango wrote: The support items favoring supports staying in lane with a laner really bothers me. 50% bonus XP for champs that are lower level than jungle monsters heavily incentivizes the support being the one to farm them since they are only ones that are consistently below average level every game. NOT having someone benefiting from that 50% bonus midgame seems really wasteful. sauce? The targon's item seems to favor a meta other than adc + support. Since it requires you to split farm to make the best use of it. ADC still get some gold from targon if their support last hits but I was trying it out today and I don't know if my blitz used it to full effect since I was ranged and took most of the minions. That and ADC really want gold. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Context: Junglers who fall behind had no opportunity to catch up, so now Jungle monsters grant bonus XP to champions who are lower level than the monster they killed. Jungle monsters grant 50% bonus XP per level to lower-level champions, up to a cap It's supposed to help junglers catch up, but what it means is by midgame, the most efficient person to have farming jungle is the support because they're getting 50% bonus XP per level for free just by being lower level. Given how Relic Shield can still be fully utilized even if you're only sometimes in lanes, and Golem Spirit can be fully utilized even if you're only sometimes farming jungle, it could actually be very realistic. | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
On November 22 2013 10:18 AsnSensation wrote: So glad I stayed up a bit later tonight, oddone+xpecials duo top is the greatest thing at the moment Thx, will check ^^ | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
On November 22 2013 10:13 TheYango wrote: TBH I would love it if it turned out that Relic Shield was the best gold item for Junglers and Golem Spirit was the best gold item for supports. It'd actually make a lot of sense, tbh. not even close double relic shield start is insane can reach around 1k gold in 20-25 minutes so crazy | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 22 2013 10:24 Slayer91 wrote: not even close double relic shield start is insane can reach around 1k gold in 20-25 minutes so crazy In either case, the change to jungle camps means that it's most efficient for your lowest level champ to be the one farming jungle. Anyone else farming them is a waste of a very large amount of XP. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 22 2013 10:22 TheYango wrote: Read the patch notes: It's supposed to help junglers catch up, but what it means is by midgame, the most efficient person to have farming jungle is the support because they're getting 50% bonus XP per level for free just by being lower level. Given how Relic Shield can still be fully utilized even if you're only sometimes in lanes, and Golem Spirit can be fully utilized even if you're only sometimes farming jungle, it could actually be very realistic. Right. It doesn't look like it'll be a full 50% though. And supports might not have enough damage to farm them. Maybe if they're severely underleveled, someone else could feed them jungle creeps, but that seems inefficient because then it takes 2 people's time. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Even if it caps at like +100% XP for being 2 levels behind, that already means you pretty much never want to have someone who's not getting that bonus XP farming camps. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
On November 22 2013 10:25 TheYango wrote: In either case, the change to jungle camps means that it's most efficient for your lowest level champ to be the one farming jungle. Anyone else farming them is a waste of a very large amount of XP. it awkward to have your spuport farm minions, its too slow unless the jungler follows you around similarly jungler can't afford to not get golem spirit for farming creeps | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
So are most people just starting with the new support items? I feel like that's fine in soloq, but the lack of wards to start feels weirdddd | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 22 2013 10:28 TheYango wrote: I read that as being more than 50%. It's 50% bonus PER LEVEL, meaning that it's 50% for being 1 level behind, 100% bonus for being 2 levels behind, etc. up to a cap so you're not getting +500% bonus XP or something. Even if it caps at like +100% XP for being 2 levels behind, that already means you pretty much never want to have someone who's not getting that bonus XP farming camps. Wow that's crazy. I misread. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 22 2013 10:28 Slayer91 wrote: it awkward to have your spuport farm minions, its too slow unless the jungler follows you around similarly jungler can't afford to not get golem spirit for farming creeps It's awkward for standard supports to farm jungle. I don't see a lot of currently "non-standard" supports having trouble farming jungle. Fiddle stands out because being 2 levels behind and draining a Wight to death for a whole wave of solo XP sounds pretty good to me. | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
But in a game today the opponent dc for like 8 min then did a full clear and was lvl 7 (the same as our jungler) so its really insane. And we lost the game also, i felt so baddd | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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trollbone
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