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On December 09 2013 07:12 turdburgler wrote:
you think 5% cdr makes a shit of difference at the plat level? my go to support build on leona/thresh/taric is ice gauntlet > frozen heart and SV. plus masteries thats like 60% cdr.
on the big expensive defensive items, the cdr is almost an afterthought, they are just that good even without it. or i guess more to the point, theres nothing else thats anywhere near as good.
Of course it makes a difference. It's half a second off the cooldown of a 10s cd skill.
I've lost teamfights because my ult was up 4 seconds too late.
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wow.. complexity and quantic both out of the running for LCS. I'm sure complexity as an organization is pretty pissed off, and I bet the plane ride back to Korea will be pretty awkward for quantic..
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On December 09 2013 08:04 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 07:12 turdburgler wrote:
you think 5% cdr makes a shit of difference at the plat level? my go to support build on leona/thresh/taric is ice gauntlet > frozen heart and SV. plus masteries thats like 60% cdr.
on the big expensive defensive items, the cdr is almost an afterthought, they are just that good even without it. or i guess more to the point, theres nothing else thats anywhere near as good. Of course it makes a difference. It's half a second off the cooldown of a 10s cd skill. I've lost teamfights because my ult was up 4 seconds too late.
but what would you have had instead. i mean like lets say you have the option of a kindlegem or something of roughly similar value, blasting wand or whatever. would that 0.5 seconds be more decisive than 40 ap. my point is that while all stats matter, the 'core' defensive items you see game after game are so good already, even if you reduced their cdr or move it around, it wouldnt change a thing.
the alternative is something like you mentioned like some cdr on randiums, but thats just a straight up buff for a minor bit of ocd.
even in the exact example you gave an amp tome is just as likely to be as effective as that cdr you are willing to pay for.
On December 09 2013 08:06 Perplex wrote:
wow.. complexity and quantic both out of the running for LCS. I'm sure complexity as an organization is pretty pissed off, and I bet the plane ride back to Korea will be pretty awkward for quantic..
i really dislike the quantic team. they seem to want to tell mutually exclusive story lines. they want you to root for them as the underdogs, playing qualifiers against a demoted team, struggling to go pro in the NA LCS. while at the same time they want to be all "korean hype train" like they just deserve an LCS slot because obv korean racial. really rustles my jimmies. also locodoco is such a whiny little child when he streams.
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On December 09 2013 08:16 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 08:04 Shikyo wrote:On December 09 2013 07:12 turdburgler wrote:
you think 5% cdr makes a shit of difference at the plat level? my go to support build on leona/thresh/taric is ice gauntlet > frozen heart and SV. plus masteries thats like 60% cdr.
on the big expensive defensive items, the cdr is almost an afterthought, they are just that good even without it. or i guess more to the point, theres nothing else thats anywhere near as good. Of course it makes a difference. It's half a second off the cooldown of a 10s cd skill. I've lost teamfights because my ult was up 4 seconds too late. but what would you have had instead. i mean like lets say you have the option of a kindlegem or something of roughly similar value, blasting wand or whatever. would that 0.5 seconds be more decisive than 40 ap. my point is that while all stats matter, the 'core' defensive items you see game after game are so good already, even if you reduced their cdr or move it around, it wouldnt change a thing. the alternative is something like you mentioned like some cdr on randiums, but thats just a straight up buff for a minor bit of ocd. even in the exact example you gave an amp tome is just as likely to be as effective as that cdr you are willing to pay for.
As I specifically said, I would like it to be in the Randuins Omen with the Randuins Omen costing like 300 more than currently so that I could cap CDR with Spirit Visage and Brutalizer or Iceborn Gauntlet.
The reason it'd be Randuin's Omen would again specifically be because Randuin's Omen has actually had CDR in the past.
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It's not like there isn't an option out there already for "Armor + CDR + Attack speed reduction" >_>
Yeah I get that it's nice having the numbers line up, but if you really want numbers to line up, it's actually pretty easily to rune for 5% CDR and be at 10% baseline, or just get 0 offensive masteries and load up on more defense masteries or something.
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God, these Spring Promos are ruining my predictions.
Korean hype train derailed, dang.
Also, Arthelon actually performing. i...TBD pls.
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Have the promo games/series actually been fun/interesting to watch? And what teams have made it so far? Feel free to spoiler text it if need be.
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With the issues of some ADCs now having with soloing junglers, shouldn't Quinn become more popular? I mean, she basically destroys junglers/bruisers 1v1, her entire kit is designed to do just that.
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Man, warmogs is just terrible. Even Mundos arent buying it at a 4th, 5th, 6th item.
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well why would i pick quinn over vayne if i wanted to kill tanky bruisers
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On December 09 2013 10:12 cLutZ wrote:
Man, warmogs is just terrible. Even Mundos arent buying it at a 4th, 5th, 6th item.
Definitely.
If I was at Randuins + Sunfire + Visage + Golem, I would buy Banshee's Veil over Warmogs every time.
On December 09 2013 10:16 FinestHour wrote:
well why would i pick quinn over vayne if i wanted to kill tanky bruisers
They're pretty different. Vayne cannot blind for example.
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On December 09 2013 10:12 cLutZ wrote:
Man, warmogs is just terrible. Even Mundos arent buying it at a 4th, 5th, 6th item.
Go figure when every resist source gives HP, people have zero need to buy a pure HP item.
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On December 09 2013 10:24 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 10:12 cLutZ wrote:
Man, warmogs is just terrible. Even Mundos arent buying it at a 4th, 5th, 6th item. Go figure when every resist source gives HP, people have zero need to buy a pure HP item.
I know, but it just feels bizarre.
Also, how buying an early chainvest doesn't make me immune to all ins from Garen.
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On December 09 2013 10:21 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 10:12 cLutZ wrote:
Man, warmogs is just terrible. Even Mundos arent buying it at a 4th, 5th, 6th item. Definitely. If I was at Randuins + Sunfire + Visage + Golem, I would buy Banshee's Veil over Warmogs every time. Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 10:16 FinestHour wrote:
well why would i pick quinn over vayne if i wanted to kill tanky bruisers They're pretty different. Vayne cannot blind for example.
? rofl ok 1.5 second blind when most bruisers and junglers use abilities for majority of their dmg
vayne can turn untargetable and has a stun you know
at least wait for some pro do some cheesy mid top play first
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On December 09 2013 10:16 FinestHour wrote:
well why would i pick quinn over vayne if i wanted to kill tanky bruisers
Vayne gets true damage on every third shot on the same target, which combined with BotRK is what let's her chunk down most champs. Tanky bruisers circumnavigate this issue by having a large enough shield (Riven) or getting so much HP thru items like Sunfire and Randuins they can dive to the back line and start whacking on Vayne while still dealing good damage, forcing her to peel away or disengage. Quinn can sorta get around it by ulting to get increased MS plus that AoE circle once she exits bird form, or using E to disengage, or Q to blind the tank and swerve around him. Vayne has to use a lot more (botrk active, her ult + Q, condemn) to do the same thing, which are things shed rather use on the enemy back line to build up that passive of hers.
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On December 09 2013 08:16 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 08:04 Shikyo wrote:On December 09 2013 07:12 turdburgler wrote:
you think 5% cdr makes a shit of difference at the plat level? my go to support build on leona/thresh/taric is ice gauntlet > frozen heart and SV. plus masteries thats like 60% cdr.
on the big expensive defensive items, the cdr is almost an afterthought, they are just that good even without it. or i guess more to the point, theres nothing else thats anywhere near as good. Of course it makes a difference. It's half a second off the cooldown of a 10s cd skill. I've lost teamfights because my ult was up 4 seconds too late. but what would you have had instead. i mean like lets say you have the option of a kindlegem or something of roughly similar value, blasting wand or whatever. would that 0.5 seconds be more decisive than 40 ap. my point is that while all stats matter, the 'core' defensive items you see game after game are so good already, even if you reduced their cdr or move it around, it wouldnt change a thing. the alternative is something like you mentioned like some cdr on randiums, but thats just a straight up buff for a minor bit of ocd. even in the exact example you gave an amp tome is just as likely to be as effective as that cdr you are willing to pay for. Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 08:06 Perplex wrote:
wow.. complexity and quantic both out of the running for LCS. I'm sure complexity as an organization is pretty pissed off, and I bet the plane ride back to Korea will be pretty awkward for quantic.. i really dislike the quantic team. they seem to want to tell mutually exclusive story lines. they want you to root for them as the underdogs, playing qualifiers against a demoted team, struggling to go pro in the NA LCS. while at the same time they want to be all "korean hype train" like they just deserve an LCS slot because obv korean racial. really rustles my jimmies. also locodoco is such a whiny little child when he streams.
Wings is probably thee worst streamer for whining during a game. I use to watch him but after a bit it really started to bug me
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Erm, Vayne has better disengage with stealth+Condemn.
Valor gets crushed by slows, and it's really not at all useful in teamfights unless you somehow end up initiating with something like an Ori ball on you, for split pushing, or for roaming. Or cleaning up.
You can blind and E away when not in Valor form, yes.
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In a 1v1 the Valor form is crazy powerful.
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On December 09 2013 11:26 Shikyo wrote:
In a 1v1 the Valor form is crazy powerful.
Ulted vayne is way stronger though
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Vayne outduels Quinn, I'm not sure how that's even a conversation topic.
Quinn has a stronger early game and a weaker late game, IMO.
Also ult adds a lot of roaming potential.
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