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On December 05 2013 03:24 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:18 canikizu wrote:On December 05 2013 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:
It depends on how you view player/organization relationship with Riot in regards to LCS. If they're being paid for strictly the tourney Riot should have no right to claim what the players can or can nit stream. However if you view the players strictly as promotional employees of Riot, then Riot has the right to pull this shit.
Imo this was one of the fears I had of a centralized western scene whem LCS was announced. I don't see what's wrong though. Basically what I get from the list is: - There's no restriction if you're non-LCS players. - If you are LCS players and stream your game under League of Legends twitch category, then don't play other games at the same time or right after the session.- LCS players still can play other games, as long as they label their stream appropriately in the right category. Very specific games. They can play anything not on the list (which is Blizzard games and MOBAs)
Specific games or not is irrelevant, it's reasonable to expect them to target some popular games or same category games. It's not like players cannot play those games. They can still play those games if they want.
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maybe some of the more curveball choices on the list is just to make it less obvious that its all an anti blizzard move. if the list just said D3 SC2 HotS then people would be a lot more outraged. its all part of the master plan
On December 05 2013 03:30 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:27 turdburgler wrote:
which means this isnt about games that compete with lol, its about companies that comepte with riot
I think that's exactly the implication. The only problem with that line of thinking is that CSGO (and hell, every Valve game that's not DotA 2) is fair game, despite Valve probably being the company in most direct competition with Riot in this sphere.
until this week no one thought CS;GO was worth talking about i guess. dat dreamhack doe
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On December 05 2013 03:26 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:21 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 05 2013 03:19 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:15 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 05 2013 03:14 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On December 05 2013 03:00 Requizen wrote:
Is it possible that this is just more Slasher sensationalist bullshit? Guardsman Bob was removed from the Featured Streamers list because he streamed one of those games. Yes, Gman Bob. Nicest fucking streamer out there. I'm leaning towards this being serious. If that's the case, I'm pretty ticked. I stood by rito when LCS first came out and there was that whole kerfuffle of teams allegedly being pressured by Riot to drop DotA 2 squads because there wasn't any concrete evidence save (quite abit) of hearsay. This? While I understand why, it's just currently kinda (really) petty. Perhaps we can look forward to LoL TCG coming out soon. Wait wait wait, they dropped bob?! He's like the nicest guy. He's the freakin Mr. Rodger's of League of legends. He should be hired by Riot to do videos to send to people who get banned with tips on how not to be a jerk of a human. I guess the big question is does Riot pay them to stream? If not then to hell with them as Conan the barbarian would say. Bob was a featured streamer which means that Riot would promote his stream. It doesn't make sense for Riot to promote his stream if he is going to play other games. I have a serious doubt that games like Scrolls,Civ5, and Hearthstone are going to steal away all of Leagues playerbase. Acting like jerks however..well actually most likely it doesn't matter what they act like EA still sells plenty. Nonetheless it's not making them look good in my eyes. in the video game industry, every game is your competitor...even if it isn't a direct competitor. That is a complete fallacy.
He's right, only Blizzard games and mobas are competitors according to Riot, also World of Tanks
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Soo...if RIOT catches oh, say...Bjergsen streaming a game of Hearthstone they're going to ban him from the LCS? Yup, I can foresee that being a popular move, lol. Maybe you could remove say, Daydreaming and people won't care but, any of the players on a top team? LOL, I'm pretty sure the players have the power there. In fact if RIOT basically ever tried to enforce this, they'd probably just destroy their competitive scene in one fell swoop. What an absurdly dumb thing to put in.
There is no way this doesn't get retracted in less than like 12 hours. Impossible to enforce, hugely against the community will, etc
I predict a 'this was only a preliminary contract that was leaked and this provision was removed upon consulting with our LCS players and teams'
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On December 05 2013 03:32 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:26 Numy wrote:On December 05 2013 03:21 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 05 2013 03:19 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:15 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 05 2013 03:14 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On December 05 2013 03:00 Requizen wrote:
Is it possible that this is just more Slasher sensationalist bullshit? Guardsman Bob was removed from the Featured Streamers list because he streamed one of those games. Yes, Gman Bob. Nicest fucking streamer out there. I'm leaning towards this being serious. If that's the case, I'm pretty ticked. I stood by rito when LCS first came out and there was that whole kerfuffle of teams allegedly being pressured by Riot to drop DotA 2 squads because there wasn't any concrete evidence save (quite abit) of hearsay. This? While I understand why, it's just currently kinda (really) petty. Perhaps we can look forward to LoL TCG coming out soon. Wait wait wait, they dropped bob?! He's like the nicest guy. He's the freakin Mr. Rodger's of League of legends. He should be hired by Riot to do videos to send to people who get banned with tips on how not to be a jerk of a human. I guess the big question is does Riot pay them to stream? If not then to hell with them as Conan the barbarian would say. Bob was a featured streamer which means that Riot would promote his stream. It doesn't make sense for Riot to promote his stream if he is going to play other games. I have a serious doubt that games like Scrolls,Civ5, and Hearthstone are going to steal away all of Leagues playerbase. Acting like jerks however..well actually most likely it doesn't matter what they act like EA still sells plenty. Nonetheless it's not making them look good in my eyes. in the video game industry, every game is your competitor...even if it isn't a direct competitor. That is a complete fallacy. He's right, only Blizzard games and mobas are competitors according to Riot, also World of Tanks
Wouldn't that mean i'm right! Dammit man :>
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Given the community outrage, that's the most likely outcome.
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On December 05 2013 03:27 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:24 Gahlo wrote:On December 05 2013 03:22 PrinceXizor wrote:
TIL that Req is being a professional Lol player when he streams.
streamers =/= pros. a pro who streams isn't streaming pro play. a streamers product is NOT the game. its the streamer. otherwise you wouldn't see certain streamers of a game watched over another of the same game. if the product was the game being streamed, then you'd expect all streamers of a game to have roughly equal viewers. You forgot this part: On December 05 2013 03:17 Ketara wrote:
I don't think people should be trying to argue that Riot somehow doesn't pay them to stream, therefor shouldn't be dictating what they stream. That sounds really naive to me.
Riot is playing them to be professional LoL players. While they're streaming LoL, they are publically being professional LoL players, so Riot is paying them to do that and can dictate what they're allowed to do while they do it.
They also probably can't wear a Valve T shirt to LCS events, it's the same sort of thing. I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid. So riot is paying them to be professional lol players 24/7? you get that every other employment contract is only for the duration of work hours. Riot only pays them to play the games during tournaments and do interviews and other things like that. riot doesn't enforce practice hours, or anything else, so any non tournament time is the players own business. I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid.
You get that employment contracts can easily stipulate what employees are allowed to do off-hours right? There's nothing against the law about that. For example, in software, it is pretty common to forbid employees to work for competitors, even off-hours.
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On December 05 2013 03:27 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:24 Gahlo wrote:On December 05 2013 03:22 PrinceXizor wrote:
TIL that Req is being a professional Lol player when he streams.
streamers =/= pros. a pro who streams isn't streaming pro play. a streamers product is NOT the game. its the streamer. otherwise you wouldn't see certain streamers of a game watched over another of the same game. if the product was the game being streamed, then you'd expect all streamers of a game to have roughly equal viewers. You forgot this part: On December 05 2013 03:17 Ketara wrote:
I don't think people should be trying to argue that Riot somehow doesn't pay them to stream, therefor shouldn't be dictating what they stream. That sounds really naive to me.
Riot is playing them to be professional LoL players. While they're streaming LoL, they are publically being professional LoL players, so Riot is paying them to do that and can dictate what they're allowed to do while they do it.
They also probably can't wear a Valve T shirt to LCS events, it's the same sort of thing. I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid. So riot is paying them to be professional lol players 24/7? you get that every other employment contract is only for the duration of work hours. Riot only pays them to play the games during tournaments and do interviews and other things like that. riot doesn't enforce practice hours, or anything else, so any non tournament time is the players own business. I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid.
They don't stop being pro LoL players when a scrim hours are over. Keep in mind that the Riot LCS salary is supposed to go towards housing and the like for the non-Dyrus and Doublelift level streamers. Athletes of traditional sports have restrictions on the analogue of this type of thing in their contracts. This isn't anything new.
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finally, our first major shitstorm of season 4
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On December 05 2013 03:32 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:26 Numy wrote:On December 05 2013 03:21 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 05 2013 03:19 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:15 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 05 2013 03:14 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On December 05 2013 03:00 Requizen wrote:
Is it possible that this is just more Slasher sensationalist bullshit? Guardsman Bob was removed from the Featured Streamers list because he streamed one of those games. Yes, Gman Bob. Nicest fucking streamer out there. I'm leaning towards this being serious. If that's the case, I'm pretty ticked. I stood by rito when LCS first came out and there was that whole kerfuffle of teams allegedly being pressured by Riot to drop DotA 2 squads because there wasn't any concrete evidence save (quite abit) of hearsay. This? While I understand why, it's just currently kinda (really) petty. Perhaps we can look forward to LoL TCG coming out soon. Wait wait wait, they dropped bob?! He's like the nicest guy. He's the freakin Mr. Rodger's of League of legends. He should be hired by Riot to do videos to send to people who get banned with tips on how not to be a jerk of a human. I guess the big question is does Riot pay them to stream? If not then to hell with them as Conan the barbarian would say. Bob was a featured streamer which means that Riot would promote his stream. It doesn't make sense for Riot to promote his stream if he is going to play other games. I have a serious doubt that games like Scrolls,Civ5, and Hearthstone are going to steal away all of Leagues playerbase. Acting like jerks however..well actually most likely it doesn't matter what they act like EA still sells plenty. Nonetheless it's not making them look good in my eyes. in the video game industry, every game is your competitor...even if it isn't a direct competitor. That is a complete fallacy. He's right, only Blizzard games and mobas are competitors according to Riot, also World of Tanks
Not all Mobas though.
Strife and 300 Heroes are fair game.
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If somebody makes a thread announcing Requizens LCS team with an MS paint logo and silly quotes etc I will love them forever.
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On December 05 2013 03:33 Amethyst21 wrote:
Soo...if RIOT catches oh, say...Bjergsen streaming a game of Hearthstone they're going to ban him from the LCS? Yup, I can foresee that being a popular move, lol. Maybe you could remove say, Daydreaming and people won't care but, any of the players on a top team? LOL, I'm pretty sure the players have the power there. In fact if RIOT basically ever tried to enforce this, they'd probably just destroy their competitive scene in one fell swoop. What an absurdly dumb thing to put in.
There is no way this doesn't get retracted in less than like 12 hours. Impossible to enforce, hugely against the community will, etc
I predict a 'this was only a preliminary contract that was leaked and this provision was removed upon consulting with our LCS players and teams'
they will most likely be hit with fines or game bans.
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This wouldn't even be a big deal if this was a requirement for ALL streamers to be listed as a "riot featured streamer" since that makes sense and controls their own image. but contractually preventing a player from doing that even as a non riot featured streamer leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
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On December 05 2013 03:36 Requizen wrote:Team Dicks for LCS S5 We'll perform better than VES at least + Show Spoiler +
Yo, when am I getting my tryout?
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On December 05 2013 03:33 Amethyst21 wrote:
Soo...if RIOT catches oh, say...Bjergsen streaming a game of Hearthstone they're going to ban him from the LCS? Yup, I can foresee that being a popular move, lol. Maybe you could remove say, Daydreaming and people won't care but, any of the players on a top team? LOL, I'm pretty sure the players have the power there. In fact if RIOT basically ever tried to enforce this, they'd probably just destroy their competitive scene in one fell swoop. What an absurdly dumb thing to put in.
There is no way this doesn't get retracted in less than like 12 hours. Impossible to enforce, hugely against the community will, etc
I predict a 'this was only a preliminary contract that was leaked and this provision was removed upon consulting with our LCS players and teams'
Qtpie's response was "Riot can suck my dick"
Of course he plays Spelunky and Final Fantasy so I think he's safe.
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On December 05 2013 03:36 Requizen wrote:Team Dicks for LCS S5 We'll perform better than VES at least + Show Spoiler +
dicks everywhere~
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On December 05 2013 03:34 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:27 PrinceXizor wrote:On December 05 2013 03:24 Gahlo wrote:On December 05 2013 03:22 PrinceXizor wrote:
TIL that Req is being a professional Lol player when he streams.
streamers =/= pros. a pro who streams isn't streaming pro play. a streamers product is NOT the game. its the streamer. otherwise you wouldn't see certain streamers of a game watched over another of the same game. if the product was the game being streamed, then you'd expect all streamers of a game to have roughly equal viewers. You forgot this part: On December 05 2013 03:17 Ketara wrote:
I don't think people should be trying to argue that Riot somehow doesn't pay them to stream, therefor shouldn't be dictating what they stream. That sounds really naive to me.
Riot is playing them to be professional LoL players. While they're streaming LoL, they are publically being professional LoL players, so Riot is paying them to do that and can dictate what they're allowed to do while they do it.
They also probably can't wear a Valve T shirt to LCS events, it's the same sort of thing. I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid. So riot is paying them to be professional lol players 24/7? you get that every other employment contract is only for the duration of work hours. Riot only pays them to play the games during tournaments and do interviews and other things like that. riot doesn't enforce practice hours, or anything else, so any non tournament time is the players own business. I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid. You get that employment contracts can easily stipulate what employees are allowed to do off-hours right? There's nothing against the law about that. For example, in software, it is pretty common to forbid employees to work for competitors, even off-hours.
The problem is Riot contract money isn't enough to justify them interfering with people's free time. The contract is small time money, especially for the big money earners. Majority of pros make their money off team contract money, not Riot contract money.
On December 05 2013 03:37 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:33 Amethyst21 wrote:
Soo...if RIOT catches oh, say...Bjergsen streaming a game of Hearthstone they're going to ban him from the LCS? Yup, I can foresee that being a popular move, lol. Maybe you could remove say, Daydreaming and people won't care but, any of the players on a top team? LOL, I'm pretty sure the players have the power there. In fact if RIOT basically ever tried to enforce this, they'd probably just destroy their competitive scene in one fell swoop. What an absurdly dumb thing to put in.
There is no way this doesn't get retracted in less than like 12 hours. Impossible to enforce, hugely against the community will, etc
I predict a 'this was only a preliminary contract that was leaked and this provision was removed upon consulting with our LCS players and teams' Qtpie's response was "Riot can suck my dick" Of course he plays Spelunky and Final Fantasy so I think he's safe.
And this is why Qtpie is a god.
EDIT:also, Dusty HOW YOU LIVE FROM THAT QTPIE DIVE?!
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On December 05 2013 03:34 thenexusp wrote:
You get that employment contracts can easily stipulate what employees are allowed to do off-hours right? There's nothing against the law about that. For example, in software, it is pretty common to forbid employees to work for competitors, even off-hours.
Yeah. but streaming another game isn't employment or even working for a competitor. Streamers product they market to viewers is THEMSELVES, their personality, antics. ect. people watch scarra stream for scarra, not to watch league of legends. they want to watch SCARRA. Stream numbers don't drop when streamers are playing whatever anime rhythm game of the month comes on in between queues. the viewers are there for the person, not the game. So streaming would be more analogous to a programmer being forbidden from doing stand up about programming in their free time.
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ye but as i already stated, players are little mind controlled bitches. even players dont want a players union, thats how dumb your average esports player is.
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