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On December 05 2013 03:18 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:
It depends on how you view player/organization relationship with Riot in regards to LCS. If they're being paid for strictly the tourney Riot should have no right to claim what the players can or can nit stream. However if you view the players strictly as promotional employees of Riot, then Riot has the right to pull this shit.
Imo this was one of the fears I had of a centralized western scene whem LCS was announced. I don't see what's wrong though. Basically what I get from the list is: - There's no restriction if you're non-LCS players. - If you are LCS players and stream your game under League of Legends twitch category, then don't play other games at the same time or right after the session.- LCS players still can play other games, as long as they label their stream appropriately in the right category.
Very specific games. They can play anything not on the list (which is Blizzard games and MOBAs)
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On December 05 2013 03:22 PrinceXizor wrote:
TIL that Req is being a professional Lol player when he streams.
streamers =/= pros. a pro who streams isn't streaming pro play. a streamers product is NOT the game. its the streamer. otherwise you wouldn't see certain streamers of a game watched over another of the same game. if the product was the game being streamed, then you'd expect all streamers of a game to have roughly equal viewers.
You forgot this part:
On December 05 2013 03:17 Ketara wrote:
I don't think people should be trying to argue that Riot somehow doesn't pay them to stream, therefor shouldn't be dictating what they stream. That sounds really naive to me.
Riot is playing them to be professional LoL players. While they're streaming LoL, they are publically being professional LoL players, so Riot is paying them to do that and can dictate what they're allowed to do while they do it.
They also probably can't wear a Valve T shirt to LCS events, it's the same sort of thing.
I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid.
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Well on the plus side basically no-one actually seems offended so it can die a quiet death in a few hours. Also drunk scarra is on point so on the whole I call worth.
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On December 05 2013 03:24 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:18 canikizu wrote:On December 05 2013 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:
It depends on how you view player/organization relationship with Riot in regards to LCS. If they're being paid for strictly the tourney Riot should have no right to claim what the players can or can nit stream. However if you view the players strictly as promotional employees of Riot, then Riot has the right to pull this shit.
Imo this was one of the fears I had of a centralized western scene whem LCS was announced. I don't see what's wrong though. Basically what I get from the list is: - There's no restriction if you're non-LCS players. - If you are LCS players and stream your game under League of Legends twitch category, then don't play other games at the same time or right after the session.- LCS players still can play other games, as long as they label their stream appropriately in the right category. Very specific games. They can play anything not on the list (which is Blizzard games and MOBAs)
The most stand-out example to me is that PoE is ok, but D3 is not, with the only real relevant distinction being that D3 is a Blizzard game.
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On December 05 2013 03:22 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:17 Ketara wrote:
I don't think people should be trying to argue that Riot somehow doesn't pay them to stream, therefor shouldn't be dictating what they stream. That sounds really naive to me.
Riot is playing them to be professional LoL players. While they're streaming LoL, they are publically being professional LoL players, so Riot is paying them to do that and can dictate what they're allowed to do while they do it.
They also probably can't wear a Valve T shirt to LCS events, it's the same sort of thing. TIL that Req is being a professional Lol player when he streams. streamers =/= pros. a pro who streams isn't streaming pro play. a streamers product is NOT the game. its the streamer. otherwise you wouldn't see certain streamers of a game watched over another of the same game. if the product was the game being streamed, then you'd expect all streamers of a game to have roughly equal viewers.
That's not the same though. I'm not sponsored by or paid by Riot. Riot pays LCS players to play the game, to be professional players. When you're under someone's payroll, a general clause you'll see in a contract is that you can't do anything or work for anyone that would promote a competitor or competing company. That's how businesses work.
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On December 05 2013 03:21 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:19 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:15 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 05 2013 03:14 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On December 05 2013 03:00 Requizen wrote:
Is it possible that this is just more Slasher sensationalist bullshit? Guardsman Bob was removed from the Featured Streamers list because he streamed one of those games. Yes, Gman Bob. Nicest fucking streamer out there. I'm leaning towards this being serious. If that's the case, I'm pretty ticked. I stood by rito when LCS first came out and there was that whole kerfuffle of teams allegedly being pressured by Riot to drop DotA 2 squads because there wasn't any concrete evidence save (quite abit) of hearsay. This? While I understand why, it's just currently kinda (really) petty. Perhaps we can look forward to LoL TCG coming out soon. Wait wait wait, they dropped bob?! He's like the nicest guy. He's the freakin Mr. Rodger's of League of legends. He should be hired by Riot to do videos to send to people who get banned with tips on how not to be a jerk of a human. I guess the big question is does Riot pay them to stream? If not then to hell with them as Conan the barbarian would say. Bob was a featured streamer which means that Riot would promote his stream. It doesn't make sense for Riot to promote his stream if he is going to play other games. I have a serious doubt that games like Scrolls,Civ5, and Hearthstone are going to steal away all of Leagues playerbase. Acting like jerks however..well actually most likely it doesn't matter what they act like EA still sells plenty. Nonetheless it's not making them look good in my eyes. in the video game industry, every game is your competitor...even if it isn't a direct competitor.
That is a complete fallacy.
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On December 05 2013 03:25 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:24 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2013 03:18 canikizu wrote:On December 05 2013 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:
It depends on how you view player/organization relationship with Riot in regards to LCS. If they're being paid for strictly the tourney Riot should have no right to claim what the players can or can nit stream. However if you view the players strictly as promotional employees of Riot, then Riot has the right to pull this shit.
Imo this was one of the fears I had of a centralized western scene whem LCS was announced. I don't see what's wrong though. Basically what I get from the list is: - There's no restriction if you're non-LCS players. - If you are LCS players and stream your game under League of Legends twitch category, then don't play other games at the same time or right after the session.- LCS players still can play other games, as long as they label their stream appropriately in the right category. Very specific games. They can play anything not on the list (which is Blizzard games and MOBAs) The most stand-out example to me is that PoE is ok, but D3 is not, with the only real relevant distinction being that D3 is a Blizzard game.
They can play Hex but not Hearthstone. Blanket ban on Blizzard games just seems weird. I guess they want to distance any potential connection to Heroes. Meh.
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On December 05 2013 03:23 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:21 Gahlo wrote:On December 05 2013 03:17 obesechicken13 wrote:On December 05 2013 02:42 Gahlo wrote:On December 05 2013 01:35 obesechicken13 wrote:I don't know if Riot was aware how much they were buffing Taric this season. I think they were, and they really worried he'd be weak in the current patch where supports get more gold because they heard "Taric scales poorly into late game." He did, but they gave him a lot of cooldown and armor pen for free this patch. On another note, does anyone else think that the game has had a negative power creep since s2? Rammus is really strong right now, by winrate. (probably partly because he's simple to play). I'm looking at the patch notes and at one point Rammus had more armor on his W and a longer Q, but he also got more movement speed on Q initially, and some mana and QoL changes. I'm wondering how strong he would be if they reverted all the changes they made to Rammus since 1.0.0.132 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Rammus/BackgroundThen again, Anivia hasn't been changed in years and her win rate has not changed afaik. They're aware. A few days after the patch somebody was crying in the official GD about how Janna's WR was dropping and Taric's was skyrocketing. Morello said they were aware of the trend and would act accordingly if it kept going. These are the current nerfs to him on the PBE.. + Show Spoiler +Taric
Shatter ( W ) armor reduction ratio reduced to .05 from .1 of Taric's armor
Shatter ( W ) base armor reduction reduced to 5/10/15/20/25 from 10/15/20/25/30
I don't see the issue. I mean before 3.14 was released and they had time to analyze. PBE players are sub bronze quality. I doubt 1% of them even play support let alone test changes. why you gotta be mean to bronzies, everyone below diamond 1 is shit anyway. they would need to invite very high ranked players to get any feeling for balance.
Sub bronze. As in, if you could be below bronze, they would be there. The vast majority of people that play on the PBE do so because they have a massive entitlement complex, and as a result a really shitty game mentality, and can get all the champs & skins their hearts desire for free.
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The thing is, Riot was initially just compensating players to play in a tourney. The tourney (LCS) itself was a marketing tool. The difference now is Riot is expanding their "relationship", by pulling the contract strings and expanding the marketing tool of the LCS all the way to the players.
The difference between sponsorship and initial Riot relationship with LCS orgs/players, was that sponsorship pays the teams to rep their gear/product. Riot was paying orgs/players to play in a tournament.
If anything this is similar to Riot balancing philosophy, rather than fix the actual issues (long ass queue times at high elo), they rather just make a terribly complex and stupid rule that does nothing to actually address the issues. #RiotLogic
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On December 05 2013 03:25 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:24 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2013 03:18 canikizu wrote:On December 05 2013 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:
It depends on how you view player/organization relationship with Riot in regards to LCS. If they're being paid for strictly the tourney Riot should have no right to claim what the players can or can nit stream. However if you view the players strictly as promotional employees of Riot, then Riot has the right to pull this shit.
Imo this was one of the fears I had of a centralized western scene whem LCS was announced. I don't see what's wrong though. Basically what I get from the list is: - There's no restriction if you're non-LCS players. - If you are LCS players and stream your game under League of Legends twitch category, then don't play other games at the same time or right after the session.- LCS players still can play other games, as long as they label their stream appropriately in the right category. Very specific games. They can play anything not on the list (which is Blizzard games and MOBAs) The most stand-out example to me is that PoE is ok, but D3 is not, with the only real relevant distinction being that D3 is a Blizzard game.
the even stranger part is PoE is free to play, making it a direct competitor to league of legends.
which means this isnt about games that compete with lol, its about companies that compete with riot
/tin foil hat
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On December 05 2013 03:24 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:22 PrinceXizor wrote:
TIL that Req is being a professional Lol player when he streams.
streamers =/= pros. a pro who streams isn't streaming pro play. a streamers product is NOT the game. its the streamer. otherwise you wouldn't see certain streamers of a game watched over another of the same game. if the product was the game being streamed, then you'd expect all streamers of a game to have roughly equal viewers. You forgot this part: Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:17 Ketara wrote:
I don't think people should be trying to argue that Riot somehow doesn't pay them to stream, therefor shouldn't be dictating what they stream. That sounds really naive to me.
Riot is playing them to be professional LoL players. While they're streaming LoL, they are publically being professional LoL players, so Riot is paying them to do that and can dictate what they're allowed to do while they do it.
They also probably can't wear a Valve T shirt to LCS events, it's the same sort of thing. I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid.
So riot is paying them to be professional lol players 24/7?
you get that every other employment contract is only for the duration of work hours. Riot only pays them to play the games during tournaments and do interviews and other things like that. riot doesn't enforce practice hours, or anything else, so any non tournament time is the players own business.
I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid.
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On December 05 2013 03:26 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:25 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 03:24 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2013 03:18 canikizu wrote:On December 05 2013 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:
It depends on how you view player/organization relationship with Riot in regards to LCS. If they're being paid for strictly the tourney Riot should have no right to claim what the players can or can nit stream. However if you view the players strictly as promotional employees of Riot, then Riot has the right to pull this shit.
Imo this was one of the fears I had of a centralized western scene whem LCS was announced. I don't see what's wrong though. Basically what I get from the list is: - There's no restriction if you're non-LCS players. - If you are LCS players and stream your game under League of Legends twitch category, then don't play other games at the same time or right after the session.- LCS players still can play other games, as long as they label their stream appropriately in the right category. Very specific games. They can play anything not on the list (which is Blizzard games and MOBAs) The most stand-out example to me is that PoE is ok, but D3 is not, with the only real relevant distinction being that D3 is a Blizzard game. They can play Hex but not Hearthstone. Blanket ban on Blizzard games just seems weird. I guess they want to distance any potential connection to Heroes. Meh.
Hex you can make the argument that the game is not popular enough to warrant Riot sanctioning.
On December 05 2013 03:13 Ghost-z wrote:
This is exactly how profession business contracts work in the real world. There's no difference. You can't have Pepsi and Coke in the same establishment, you won't see LoL and Dota at the same LAN event. Profession athletes with uniforms sponsored by Nike can't have a Rebok logo on their socks even if Nike never provides them with socks. They have to wear plain white/black socks.
And yet people always have to refer to non-E-sports examples because nobody else in professional gaming does this bullshit.
I don't know about you, but I don't want my TOs/game devs to run their business like Coke and Pepsi.
Dreamhack runs LoL and Dota together just fine.
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Congrats to req for being apart of the lcs. Will support your team buddy
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On December 05 2013 03:28 Shelke14 wrote:
Congrats to req for being apart of the lcs. Will support your team buddy
Team Dicks
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On December 05 2013 03:27 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:25 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 03:24 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 05 2013 03:18 canikizu wrote:On December 05 2013 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:
It depends on how you view player/organization relationship with Riot in regards to LCS. If they're being paid for strictly the tourney Riot should have no right to claim what the players can or can nit stream. However if you view the players strictly as promotional employees of Riot, then Riot has the right to pull this shit.
Imo this was one of the fears I had of a centralized western scene whem LCS was announced. I don't see what's wrong though. Basically what I get from the list is: - There's no restriction if you're non-LCS players. - If you are LCS players and stream your game under League of Legends twitch category, then don't play other games at the same time or right after the session.- LCS players still can play other games, as long as they label their stream appropriately in the right category. Very specific games. They can play anything not on the list (which is Blizzard games and MOBAs) The most stand-out example to me is that PoE is ok, but D3 is not, with the only real relevant distinction being that D3 is a Blizzard game. the even stranger part is PoE is free to play, making it a direct competitor to league of legends. which means this isnt about games that compete with lol, its about companies that comepte with riot /tin foil hat
Riot actually making Online Card Game, and Action RPG.
/tinfoil hat
On December 05 2013 03:27 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:24 Gahlo wrote:On December 05 2013 03:22 PrinceXizor wrote:
TIL that Req is being a professional Lol player when he streams.
streamers =/= pros. a pro who streams isn't streaming pro play. a streamers product is NOT the game. its the streamer. otherwise you wouldn't see certain streamers of a game watched over another of the same game. if the product was the game being streamed, then you'd expect all streamers of a game to have roughly equal viewers. You forgot this part: On December 05 2013 03:17 Ketara wrote:
I don't think people should be trying to argue that Riot somehow doesn't pay them to stream, therefor shouldn't be dictating what they stream. That sounds really naive to me.
Riot is playing them to be professional LoL players. While they're streaming LoL, they are publically being professional LoL players, so Riot is paying them to do that and can dictate what they're allowed to do while they do it.
They also probably can't wear a Valve T shirt to LCS events, it's the same sort of thing. I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid. So riot is paying them to be professional lol players 24/7? you get that every other employment contract is only for the duration of work hours. Riot only pays them to play the games during tournaments and do interviews and other things like that. riot doesn't enforce practice hours, or anything else, so any non tournament time is the players own business. I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid.
To add on to this, the size of contract is also an issue.
If the majority of players income was paid by Riot, I don't think anyone would hold issue to Riot's contract changes. However, this is not the case for a lot of the pro gamers. People like voyboy, wt, bjergsen, qtpie, etc etc, all majority of their money off team contracts, and streaming, NOT Riot paid contracts.
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On December 05 2013 03:28 Shelke14 wrote:
Congrats to req for being apart of the lcs. Will support your team buddy
Yes Req, tell us more about your team.
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On December 05 2013 03:27 turdburgler wrote:
which means this isnt about games that compete with lol, its about companies that comepte with riot
I think that's exactly the implication.
The only problem with that line of thinking is that CSGO (and hell, every Valve game that's not DotA 2) is fair game, despite Valve probably being the company in most direct competition with Riot in this sphere.
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On December 05 2013 03:24 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:22 PrinceXizor wrote:
TIL that Req is being a professional Lol player when he streams.
streamers =/= pros. a pro who streams isn't streaming pro play. a streamers product is NOT the game. its the streamer. otherwise you wouldn't see certain streamers of a game watched over another of the same game. if the product was the game being streamed, then you'd expect all streamers of a game to have roughly equal viewers. You forgot this part: Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:17 Ketara wrote:
I don't think people should be trying to argue that Riot somehow doesn't pay them to stream, therefor shouldn't be dictating what they stream. That sounds really naive to me.
Riot is playing them to be professional LoL players. While they're streaming LoL, they are publically being professional LoL players, so Riot is paying them to do that and can dictate what they're allowed to do while they do it.
They also probably can't wear a Valve T shirt to LCS events, it's the same sort of thing. I honestly can't tell if you're being intentionally dumb or you just are that stupid.
All hail the true prince returned to vanquish this land of the way too icy men.
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