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On December 05 2013 03:07 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:05 Ghost-z wrote:On December 05 2013 03:01 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 02:56 Ketara wrote:
Not that I agree with it. If they want to restrict what the LCS players stream in between solo queue games, maybe the queue times shouldn't be 10 minutes long. But I don't think it's particularly surprising or worth much hatred. It's pretty normal business practice and was probably in the contracts last year, it's just Hearthstone that's making it something worth talking about. The thing that leaves a bad taste is how it's targeted at a laundry list of specific games rather than generally targeting other games--that's what makes it seem douchey. If you just say "Games" then you have to specify what is a "Game". Like would streaming solitaire fall under a blanket "games" genre. It's very bad to use any general or blanket terms in a legal contract. You could just do it the other way. Instead of stating what they can't stream, just state what they can. It would be the same as having a "blanket ban" but without the general terms.
No, that's even worse. Are you allowed to stream yourself playing with your cats? Are you allowed you stream yourself picking your nose?
If the clause is "The only games you are allowed to stream are LoL and solitaire" you still have to define what a "game" is, it doesn't solve any problems. If you write "The only thing you are allowed to stream is LoL and solitaire" you exclude things like playing with your cats.
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It depends on how you view player/organization relationship with Riot in regards to LCS. If they're being paid for strictly the tourney Riot should have no right to claim what the players can or can nit stream. However if you view the players strictly as promotional employees of Riot, then Riot has the right to pull this shit.
Imo this was one of the fears I had of a centralized western scene whem LCS was announced.
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On December 05 2013 03:14 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On December 05 2013 03:00 Requizen wrote:
Is it possible that this is just more Slasher sensationalist bullshit? Guardsman Bob was removed from the Featured Streamers list because he streamed one of those games. Yes, Gman Bob. Nicest fucking streamer out there. I'm leaning towards this being serious. If that's the case, I'm pretty ticked. I stood by rito when LCS first came out and there was that whole kerfuffle of teams allegedly being pressured by Riot to drop DotA 2 squads because there wasn't any concrete evidence save (quite abit) of hearsay. This? While I understand why, it's just currently kinda (really) petty. Perhaps we can look forward to LoL TCG coming out soon. Wait wait wait, they dropped bob?! He's like the nicest guy. He's the freakin Mr. Rodger's of League of legends. He should be hired by Riot to do videos to send to people who get banned with tips on how not to be a jerk of a human. I guess the big question is does Riot pay them to stream? If not then to hell with them as Conan the barbarian would say.
Bob was a featured streamer which means that Riot would promote his stream. It doesn't make sense for Riot to promote his stream if he is going to play other games.
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On December 05 2013 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:
It depends on how you view player/organization relationship with Riot in regards to LCS. If they're being paid for strictly the tourney Riot should have no right to claim what the players can or can nit stream. However if you view the players strictly as promotional employees of Riot, then Riot has the right to pull this shit.
Imo this was one of the fears I had of a centralized western scene whem LCS was announced.
This is precisely what I was trying to say, but way more concise and clear.
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On December 05 2013 03:00 Requizen wrote:
Is it possible that this is just more Slasher sensationalist bullshit?
Is water wet?
On December 05 2013 03:10 Requizen wrote:
Hm, both Desert and Commando Garen on sale. Which to buy?
Rugged.
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if the players are actually bothered by this they need to actually act as a group to get it changed. LCS cant work if every team withdraws. but instead they will do what theyve always done. keep quiet and stay riots bitches and its the consumer getting hurt in the end.
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I don't think people should be trying to argue that Riot somehow doesn't pay them to stream, therefor shouldn't be dictating what they stream. That sounds really naive to me.
Riot is playing them to be professional LoL players. While they're streaming LoL, they are publically being professional LoL players, so Riot is paying them to do that and can dictate what they're allowed to do while they do it.
They also probably can't wear a Valve T shirt to LCS events, it's the same sort of thing.
If you want to argue that it's douchey, I think that's a much better argument and can get behind that.
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On December 05 2013 03:15 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:14 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On December 05 2013 03:00 Requizen wrote:
Is it possible that this is just more Slasher sensationalist bullshit? Guardsman Bob was removed from the Featured Streamers list because he streamed one of those games. Yes, Gman Bob. Nicest fucking streamer out there. I'm leaning towards this being serious. If that's the case, I'm pretty ticked. I stood by rito when LCS first came out and there was that whole kerfuffle of teams allegedly being pressured by Riot to drop DotA 2 squads because there wasn't any concrete evidence save (quite abit) of hearsay. This? While I understand why, it's just currently kinda (really) petty. Perhaps we can look forward to LoL TCG coming out soon. Wait wait wait, they dropped bob?! He's like the nicest guy. He's the freakin Mr. Rodger's of League of legends. He should be hired by Riot to do videos to send to people who get banned with tips on how not to be a jerk of a human. I guess the big question is does Riot pay them to stream? If not then to hell with them as Conan the barbarian would say. Bob was a featured streamer which means that Riot would promote his stream. It doesn't make sense for Riot to promote his stream if he is going to play other games.
Why doesn't it make sense? He's still playing LoL for the majority of the time. He's still a super nice guy people look up to and associate with LoL. Things aren't as cut and dry as "oh he streamed hearthstone therefore he must go". Pretty sure he'll still be a plus for Riot even if he did stream another game inbetween. All this does is anger the community and his fans while doing nothing for riot.
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On December 05 2013 02:42 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 01:35 obesechicken13 wrote:I don't know if Riot was aware how much they were buffing Taric this season. I think they were, and they really worried he'd be weak in the current patch where supports get more gold because they heard "Taric scales poorly into late game." He did, but they gave him a lot of cooldown and armor pen for free this patch. On another note, does anyone else think that the game has had a negative power creep since s2? Rammus is really strong right now, by winrate. (probably partly because he's simple to play). I'm looking at the patch notes and at one point Rammus had more armor on his W and a longer Q, but he also got more movement speed on Q initially, and some mana and QoL changes. I'm wondering how strong he would be if they reverted all the changes they made to Rammus since 1.0.0.132 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Rammus/BackgroundThen again, Anivia hasn't been changed in years and her win rate has not changed afaik. They're aware. A few days after the patch somebody was crying in the official GD about how Janna's WR was dropping and Taric's was skyrocketing. Morello said they were aware of the trend and would act accordingly if it kept going. These are the current nerfs to him on the PBE.. + Show Spoiler +Taric
Shatter ( W ) armor reduction ratio reduced to .05 from .1 of Taric's armor
Shatter ( W ) base armor reduction reduced to 5/10/15/20/25 from 10/15/20/25/30
I don't see the issue.
I mean before 3.14 was released and they had time to analyze.
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On December 05 2013 03:17 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:15 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 05 2013 03:14 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On December 05 2013 03:00 Requizen wrote:
Is it possible that this is just more Slasher sensationalist bullshit? Guardsman Bob was removed from the Featured Streamers list because he streamed one of those games. Yes, Gman Bob. Nicest fucking streamer out there. I'm leaning towards this being serious. If that's the case, I'm pretty ticked. I stood by rito when LCS first came out and there was that whole kerfuffle of teams allegedly being pressured by Riot to drop DotA 2 squads because there wasn't any concrete evidence save (quite abit) of hearsay. This? While I understand why, it's just currently kinda (really) petty. Perhaps we can look forward to LoL TCG coming out soon. Wait wait wait, they dropped bob?! He's like the nicest guy. He's the freakin Mr. Rodger's of League of legends. He should be hired by Riot to do videos to send to people who get banned with tips on how not to be a jerk of a human. I guess the big question is does Riot pay them to stream? If not then to hell with them as Conan the barbarian would say. Bob was a featured streamer which means that Riot would promote his stream. It doesn't make sense for Riot to promote his stream if he is going to play other games. Why doesn't it make sense? He's still playing LoL for the majority of the time. He's still a super nice guy people look up to and associate with LoL. Things aren't as cut and dry as "oh he streamed hearthstone therefore he must go". Pretty sure he'll still be a plus for Riot even if he did stream another game inbetween. All this does is anger the community and his fans while doing nothing for riot.
He apparently begged real nicely and they put him back on, but that just goes to show how serious they are.
I mean...BOB. Dat playlist.
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On December 05 2013 03:13 Ghost-z wrote:
you won't see LoL and Dota at the same LAN event.
God forbid you see Tekken and Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat at the same event, along with Hori and Mad Catz.
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On December 05 2013 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:
It depends on how you view player/organization relationship with Riot in regards to LCS. If they're being paid for strictly the tourney Riot should have no right to claim what the players can or can nit stream. However if you view the players strictly as promotional employees of Riot, then Riot has the right to pull this shit.
Imo this was one of the fears I had of a centralized western scene whem LCS was announced.
I don't see what's wrong though. Basically what I get from the list is:
- There's no restriction if you're non-LCS players.
- If you are LCS players and stream your game under League of Legends twitch category, then don't play other games at the same time or right after the session.
- LCS players still can play other games, as long as they label their stream appropriately in the right category.
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On December 05 2013 03:15 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:14 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On December 05 2013 03:00 Requizen wrote:
Is it possible that this is just more Slasher sensationalist bullshit? Guardsman Bob was removed from the Featured Streamers list because he streamed one of those games. Yes, Gman Bob. Nicest fucking streamer out there. I'm leaning towards this being serious. If that's the case, I'm pretty ticked. I stood by rito when LCS first came out and there was that whole kerfuffle of teams allegedly being pressured by Riot to drop DotA 2 squads because there wasn't any concrete evidence save (quite abit) of hearsay. This? While I understand why, it's just currently kinda (really) petty. Perhaps we can look forward to LoL TCG coming out soon. Wait wait wait, they dropped bob?! He's like the nicest guy. He's the freakin Mr. Rodger's of League of legends. He should be hired by Riot to do videos to send to people who get banned with tips on how not to be a jerk of a human. I guess the big question is does Riot pay them to stream? If not then to hell with them as Conan the barbarian would say. Bob was a featured streamer which means that Riot would promote his stream. It doesn't make sense for Riot to promote his stream if he is going to play other games.
I have a serious doubt that games like Scrolls,Civ5, and Hearthstone are going to steal away all of Leagues playerbase. Acting like jerks however..well actually most likely it doesn't matter what they act like EA still sells plenty. Nonetheless it's not making them look good in my eyes.
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Well, if someone ever throw me the " all esport should work together" argument, I think I have the perfect answer lol.
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On December 05 2013 03:17 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 02:42 Gahlo wrote:On December 05 2013 01:35 obesechicken13 wrote:I don't know if Riot was aware how much they were buffing Taric this season. I think they were, and they really worried he'd be weak in the current patch where supports get more gold because they heard "Taric scales poorly into late game." He did, but they gave him a lot of cooldown and armor pen for free this patch. On another note, does anyone else think that the game has had a negative power creep since s2? Rammus is really strong right now, by winrate. (probably partly because he's simple to play). I'm looking at the patch notes and at one point Rammus had more armor on his W and a longer Q, but he also got more movement speed on Q initially, and some mana and QoL changes. I'm wondering how strong he would be if they reverted all the changes they made to Rammus since 1.0.0.132 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Rammus/BackgroundThen again, Anivia hasn't been changed in years and her win rate has not changed afaik. They're aware. A few days after the patch somebody was crying in the official GD about how Janna's WR was dropping and Taric's was skyrocketing. Morello said they were aware of the trend and would act accordingly if it kept going. These are the current nerfs to him on the PBE.. + Show Spoiler +Taric
Shatter ( W ) armor reduction ratio reduced to .05 from .1 of Taric's armor
Shatter ( W ) base armor reduction reduced to 5/10/15/20/25 from 10/15/20/25/30
I don't see the issue. I mean before 3.14 was released and they had time to analyze.
PBE players are sub bronze quality. I doubt 1% of them even play support let alone test changes.
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On December 05 2013 03:19 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:15 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 05 2013 03:14 Parnage wrote:On December 05 2013 03:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On December 05 2013 03:00 Requizen wrote:
Is it possible that this is just more Slasher sensationalist bullshit? Guardsman Bob was removed from the Featured Streamers list because he streamed one of those games. Yes, Gman Bob. Nicest fucking streamer out there. I'm leaning towards this being serious. If that's the case, I'm pretty ticked. I stood by rito when LCS first came out and there was that whole kerfuffle of teams allegedly being pressured by Riot to drop DotA 2 squads because there wasn't any concrete evidence save (quite abit) of hearsay. This? While I understand why, it's just currently kinda (really) petty. Perhaps we can look forward to LoL TCG coming out soon. Wait wait wait, they dropped bob?! He's like the nicest guy. He's the freakin Mr. Rodger's of League of legends. He should be hired by Riot to do videos to send to people who get banned with tips on how not to be a jerk of a human. I guess the big question is does Riot pay them to stream? If not then to hell with them as Conan the barbarian would say. Bob was a featured streamer which means that Riot would promote his stream. It doesn't make sense for Riot to promote his stream if he is going to play other games. I have a serious doubt that games like Scrolls,Civ5, and Hearthstone are going to steal away all of Leagues playerbase. Acting like jerks however..well actually most likely it doesn't matter what they act like EA still sells plenty. Nonetheless it's not making them look good in my eyes.
in the video game industry, every game is your competitor...even if it isn't a direct competitor.
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On December 05 2013 03:15 wei2coolman wrote:
It depends on how you view player/organization relationship with Riot in regards to LCS. If they're being paid for strictly the tourney Riot should have no right to claim what the players can or can nit stream. However if you view the players strictly as promotional employees of Riot, then Riot has the right to pull this shit.
Imo this was one of the fears I had of a centralized western scene whem LCS was announced.
Please don't conflate "have a right to" and "is right to". Riot has every right to restrict who they pay based on anything they want (as long as it's not a protected class -- race, gender, etc.) Riot has the right to not sign someone because they stream dota, and they have the right to not sign someone because they like the Jets. There is no law that says that Riot must uphold free speech or that things you do outside of your normal employment duties cannot affect your employment. Even if Riot was paying them solely for the tourney they are allowed to have a clause that says "by the way, if you played dota in public in the past 3 months you can't attend" and it would be perfectly legal.
Of course, many of the things listed above are not right to do, from a moral/ethical standpoint. But they do have the right to do them.
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On December 05 2013 03:17 Ketara wrote:
I don't think people should be trying to argue that Riot somehow doesn't pay them to stream, therefor shouldn't be dictating what they stream. That sounds really naive to me.
Riot is playing them to be professional LoL players. While they're streaming LoL, they are publically being professional LoL players, so Riot is paying them to do that and can dictate what they're allowed to do while they do it.
They also probably can't wear a Valve T shirt to LCS events, it's the same sort of thing.
TIL that Req is being a professional Lol player when he streams.
streamers =/= pros. a pro who streams isn't streaming pro play. a streamers product is NOT the game. its the streamer. otherwise you wouldn't see certain streamers of a game watched over another of the same game. if the product was the game being streamed, then you'd expect all streamers of a game to have roughly equal viewers.
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On December 05 2013 03:21 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:17 obesechicken13 wrote:On December 05 2013 02:42 Gahlo wrote:On December 05 2013 01:35 obesechicken13 wrote:I don't know if Riot was aware how much they were buffing Taric this season. I think they were, and they really worried he'd be weak in the current patch where supports get more gold because they heard "Taric scales poorly into late game." He did, but they gave him a lot of cooldown and armor pen for free this patch. On another note, does anyone else think that the game has had a negative power creep since s2? Rammus is really strong right now, by winrate. (probably partly because he's simple to play). I'm looking at the patch notes and at one point Rammus had more armor on his W and a longer Q, but he also got more movement speed on Q initially, and some mana and QoL changes. I'm wondering how strong he would be if they reverted all the changes they made to Rammus since 1.0.0.132 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Rammus/BackgroundThen again, Anivia hasn't been changed in years and her win rate has not changed afaik. They're aware. A few days after the patch somebody was crying in the official GD about how Janna's WR was dropping and Taric's was skyrocketing. Morello said they were aware of the trend and would act accordingly if it kept going. These are the current nerfs to him on the PBE.. + Show Spoiler +Taric
Shatter ( W ) armor reduction ratio reduced to .05 from .1 of Taric's armor
Shatter ( W ) base armor reduction reduced to 5/10/15/20/25 from 10/15/20/25/30
I don't see the issue. I mean before 3.14 was released and they had time to analyze. PBE players are sub bronze quality. I doubt 1% of them even play support let alone test changes.
why you gotta be mean to bronzies, everyone below diamond 1 is shit anyway. they would need to invite very high ranked players to get any feeling for balance.
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On December 05 2013 03:22 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:17 Ketara wrote:
I don't think people should be trying to argue that Riot somehow doesn't pay them to stream, therefor shouldn't be dictating what they stream. That sounds really naive to me.
Riot is playing them to be professional LoL players. While they're streaming LoL, they are publically being professional LoL players, so Riot is paying them to do that and can dictate what they're allowed to do while they do it.
They also probably can't wear a Valve T shirt to LCS events, it's the same sort of thing. TIL that Req is being a professional Lol player when he streams. streamers =/= pros. a pro who streams isn't streaming pro play. a streamers product is NOT the game. its the streamer. otherwise you wouldn't see certain streamers of a game watched over another of the same game. if the product was the game being streamed, then you'd expect all streamers of a game to have roughly equal viewers.
OMG, Requizen signed an LCS contract?!
Congrats dude! What team are you on?
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