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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:00 Kupon3ss wrote: Its not malicious, its just doing business, just ask Pendragon It seems like a lot of their business moves with regards to competitions is straight out of a seminar about the tactics of coke/microsoft/walmart/koch tactics. i just don't know if riot is big enough to pay the cost in PR that these moves have. especially if it keeps happening. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:52 Dan HH wrote: How the fuck is that "news" the #1 link on all of Reddit right now? It's like people never saw a contract before Because most of reddit hasn't or rushed to the bottom to click the "I accept" button. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:01 PrinceXizor wrote: It seems like a lot of their business moves with regards to competitions is straight out of a seminar about the tactics of coke/microsoft/walmart/koch tactics. i just don't know if riot is big enough to pay the cost in PR that these moves have. especially if it keeps happening. I believe the term in poker is "overplaying your hand." | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
I think Riot wants to prevent that from happening in the future. | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:01 wei2coolman wrote: Unfun mechanics!!! we believe this change will help in separating the good TOXIC GAMEPLAY NO COUNTERPLAYs from the great ones | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9163 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:53 wei2coolman wrote: Cuz, leveraging contracts in such a way that controls employee's free time is a dick move. It's completely standard for entertainment/sports/public people in general. Yeah your average company won't care if you endorse their competition because you have no advertising power, unlike a streamer with thousands of concurrent viewers. I'm not even arguing whether it's right or not, I'm just saying they're doing what any company does in that position and I don't consider it newsworthy. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:58 Numy wrote: Riot has done enough of these "retarded" moves that makes it hard to believe it's not malicious. Also it's kind of hard to make a players union for LoL since Riot are the only people actually doing anything with it(They kind of made sure of that). A general "esports player union" i think makes a lot of sense though. Think Koreans tried this but not sure if it collapsed there is one league which you can play in and support yourself as a League player NA and EU -- LCS - RIOT gives them salary to pay living expenses and get to the venue to play in LCS - If you win LCS you dont need the salary - you cant play LCS without it. So the question really is: Does RIOT pay LCS players a salary to play in LCS or to promote and play League of Legends as a sole video game sponsorship? As far as I understood, they pay them to play in LCS not to stream League. If they paid them XX$ to stream league this makes sense. If they pay them XX$ to play in the LCS then it does not make sense. That is the whole issue. My understanding is they get paid to play in LCS and their streams are personal. They dont get paid to Stream league of legends by RIOT [i]while[i/] being in LCS. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:52 Dan HH wrote: How the fuck is that "news" the #1 link on all of Reddit right now? It's like people never saw a contract before because in ESPORTS you never do see contracts? ;p | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:03 nojitosunrise wrote: Does anyone remember when the curse pros were playing and promoting infinite crisis? I even remember Elementz casting it. I think Riot wants to prevent that from happening in the future. That not the issue though because RIOT doesnt own Curse. RIOT pays them to play LCS no? | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
Should've reported his ass. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:03 Dan HH wrote: It's completely standard for entertainment/sports/public people in general. Yeah your average company won't care if you endorse their competition because you have no advertising power, unlike a streamer with thousands of concurrent viewers. I'm not even arguing whether it's right or not, I'm just saying they're doing what any company does in that position and I don't consider it newsworthy. For me, it's more so how much Riot is paying the players. If they were playing the players like 100k a year, I wouldn't have an issue with them manipulating what a player can or can not stream. But they're not paid nearly enough to justify Riot's hold over what a player can stream on their free time. | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:03 Dan HH wrote: I'm not even arguing whether it's right or not, I'm just saying they're doing what any company does in that position and I don't consider it newsworthy. It is newsworthy when they are the only company in this industry that does it. On December 05 2013 04:03 nojitosunrise wrote: Does anyone remember when the curse pros were playing and promoting infinite crisis? I even remember Elementz casting it. I think Riot wants to prevent that from happening in the future. So long as they don't falsely state that they're playing LoL when they're actually playing IC, that's actually still technically ok. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:06 ZeromuS wrote: That not the issue though because RIOT doesnt own Curse. RIOT pays them to play LCS no? I think it was during the LCS? So it would make sense that Riot wouldn't want their Team promoting a MOBA while they are paying Curse a sum of money. | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:03 nojitosunrise wrote: Does anyone remember when the curse pros were playing and promoting infinite crisis? I even remember Elementz casting it. I think Riot wants to prevent that from happening in the future. Or maybe they want Diamondprox to stop cheating in Hearthstone tournaments and this is the crazy indirect Riot solution to it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:08 Swords wrote: Or maybe they want Diamondprox to stop cheating in Hearthstone tournaments and this is the crazy indirect Riot solution to it. When in doubt, blame the Russians. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:07 NotYango wrote: It is newsworthy when they are the only company in this industry that does it. So long as they don't falsely state that they're playing LoL when they're actually playing IC, that's actually still technically ok. Aren't they the only company in this industry that is salarying players to the degree that they are? Wouldn't it therefore be logical that there are elements of that arrangement that are unique to the company doing it? | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:08 Swords wrote: Or maybe they want Diamondprox to stop cheating in Hearthstone tournaments and this is the crazy indirect Riot solution to it. I still can't believe he did something like that. | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
It also still doesn't mean that it's "not newsworthy" or "not worth discussing" like several apologists in this thread keep making it out to be. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:07 NotYango wrote: It is newsworthy when they are the only company in this industry that does it. So long as they don't falsely state that they're playing LoL when they're actually playing IC, that's actually still technically ok. They're also the only company that puts pro players on contracts, and gives them huge amounts of publicity/salary. Come on man, use your head. You're sponsored by Subway? Don't eat shit from McDonalds in public, do it in your own privacy or something. Sponsored by Nike? Don't wear shit from Reebok or whatever. This isn't crazy or some bullshit move by Riot to control eSports and become the Fourth Reich, they're making sure that LCS players have guidelines, and one of those is to not give other companies and games more exposure while drawing in a mostly League of Legends player audience. | ||
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
On December 05 2013 03:56 suicideyear wrote: if league of legends was as big in EU and NA in korea (i mean like TV revenue and shit) maybe a players union would be something to consider, but as it is? laughable, that shit would kill League faster than if Riot tried its hardest to maybe in the future Nah, I doubt players give enough of a shit about something like a players union, most professional video gamers are probably more interested in the money/fame/game to have time to unionize. I mean they probably spend like 10+ hours playing games, and considering that most pro gamers are just out of high school or dropped out of college, I wouldn't expect that they'd be super hyped to organize something serious like a player's union with stuff like paperwork involved. Although, I admit a player's union would be very powerful, imagine the backlash to Riot if hypothetically, TSM were to retaliate against the Hearthstone ban. | ||
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