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remedium
United States939 Posts
At first glance, this streaming thing seems to be existing in extremely nebulous legal territory. Other professional sports have clauses restricting athletes activities - notably things such as Dez Bryant having a curfew, Ben Roethelgibebrebrs not being allowed to go skiing, etc. However, those contracts are negotiated. To my knowledge, Riot contracts are unilaterally created, with the players and organizations not having a seat at the proverbial table. | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:12 Dusty wrote: They're also the only company that puts pro players on contracts, and gives them huge amounts of publicity/salary. Come on man, use your head. You're sponsored by Subway? Don't eat shit from McDonalds in public, do it in your own privacy or something. Sponsored by Nike? Don't wear shit from Reebok or whatever. This isn't crazy or some bullshit move by Riot to control eSports and become the Fourth Reich, they're making sure that LCS players have guidelines, and one of those is to not give other companies and games more exposure while drawing in a mostly League of Legends player audience. Yes that's fine. My point is that there's no way anyone can pass this off as not newsworthy or not worth discussing because it's standard practice in other industries. There's very much discussion to be had here PRECISELY because Riot is in such a unique position. | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:10 nojitosunrise wrote: I still can't believe he did something like that. Eh, I was a little surprised he'd stoop to actual cheating, but this is the same guy who says he thinks flaming people is an integral part of playing games, made rude gestures at a Korean team after beating them, and called someone a retard in all chat during a tournament before they hid all chat from the audience. Diamondprox is incredibly talented, but he's definitely an asshole. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:09 Takkara wrote: Aren't they the only company in this industry that is salarying players to the degree that they are? Wouldn't it therefore be logical that there are elements of that arrangement that are unique to the company doing it? They aren't paying the players that much. Only the recent amateur teams are getting significant chunk of their income from Riot. And these players don't even get the stream views for Riot to pull this shit. They're targeting big streamers, like WT/qtpie/Bjergsen/TOO/Dyrus, etc etc. Big players are from teams likes TSM/CLG/Curse/Dig/EG/Fnatic, etc etc. make majority of their money through team contract, not Riot income. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:15 Kennigit wrote: Neoillusions did you see how much i've been defending Riot and League today?? #basedkennigit | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:08 nojitosunrise wrote: I think it was during the LCS? So it would make sense that Riot wouldn't want their Team promoting a MOBA while they are paying Curse a sum of money. Oh or how about a guy who isnt paid by RIOT at all being threatened with a similar threat? http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1s38ea/lcs_2014_contract_stipulates_players_cannot/cdtgg9d Good old reddit. Guardsmanbob cant stream those games or he gets unfeatured :D -_- | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:15 Kennigit wrote: Neoillusions did you see how much i've been defending Riot and League today?? helps that your on riots payroll doe. ;D | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:17 ZeromuS wrote: Oh or how about a guy who isnt paid by RIOT at all being threatened with a similar threat? http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1s38ea/lcs_2014_contract_stipulates_players_cannot/cdtgg9d Good old reddit. Guardsmanbob cant stream those games or he gets unfeatured :D -_- Well, to play devil's advocate. Why should Riot feature Guardsmanbob if he isn't playing their game? I know it's way more complex than that, but it isn't his right to have Riot feature him, it's something he earns by playing League. It'd be a little weird for Riot to have a featured stream and then to tune in and find Hearthstone. Again, the easy solution is fix queue times, and this whole thing could be avoided. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:19 Swords wrote: Well, to play devil's advocate. Why should Riot feature Guardsmanbob if he isn't playing their game? I know it's way more complex than that, but it isn't his right to have Riot feature him, it's something he earns by playing League. Its more the fact that he was given an ultimatum similar to players. I mean if he had the option to not be featured during his non LoL time that would be the more elegant solution wouldnt it? Surely it cant be that hard to manage a stream and what game you are playing, we do it on TL. Click a button to say hey im streaming lol - boom up on riots page he goes. Streaming diablo or something different? The dude doesnt click the button -_- | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:17 ZeromuS wrote: Oh or how about a guy who isnt paid by RIOT at all being threatened with a similar threat? http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1s38ea/lcs_2014_contract_stipulates_players_cannot/cdtgg9d Good old reddit. Guardsmanbob cant stream those games or he gets unfeatured :D -_- Why would Riot feature a streamer who isn't playing their game? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:21 obesechicken13 wrote: @[Dicks]Requizen, I know you want to be secretive but can you give us any hints on new strategies you may be bringing into S4? I hear [Dicks] has been playing a lot of All for One Teemo on customs. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
If that's true, that seems to drift into some really nebulous and legally tenuous waters. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:18 turdburgler wrote: helps that your on riots payroll doe. ;D I think everyone looks like a Riot employee if you compared them against TB haha | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:21 ZeromuS wrote: Its more the fact that he was given an ultimatum similar to players. I mean if he had the option to not be featured during his non LoL time that would be the more elegant solution wouldnt it? Surely it cant be that hard to manage a stream and what game you are playing, we do it on TL. Click a button to say hey im streaming lol - boom up on riots page he goes. Streaming diablo or something different? The dude doesnt click the button -_- Yea, I definitely agree this wasn't the elegant solution to their problem. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:17 ZeromuS wrote: Oh or how about a guy who isnt paid by RIOT at all being threatened with a similar threat? http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1s38ea/lcs_2014_contract_stipulates_players_cannot/cdtgg9d Good old reddit. Guardsmanbob cant stream those games or he gets unfeatured :D -_- ??? Riot features him out of their niceness or whatever, for his League of Legends gameplay, not for his Hearthstone/DotA/whatever gameplay. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
I totally understand Riot not wanting their employees to stream other MOBAs. | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:22 Takkara wrote: Update: Slasher changes his article to state that LCS players cannot stream the aforementioned titles EVER, not just adjacent to LoL. If that's true, that seems to drift into some really nebulous and legally tenuous waters. Well, which is it? Have there been any statements by Riot yet? Or are we just going by Slasher's "totally unbiased" reporting? | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On December 05 2013 04:22 Takkara wrote: Update: Slasher changes his article to state that LCS players cannot stream the aforementioned titles EVER, not just adjacent to LoL. If that's true, that seems to drift into some really nebulous and legally tenuous waters. This makes NO sense. Why isn't he posting the contract as a whole so we can see the whole picture? its borderline retarded to post pieces of a contract. They work together as a whole. | ||
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