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On December 05 2013 04:35 Requizen wrote:
Consider this: there is a chance that Riot is going to implement an in-game (in-client, anyway) stream service. This means that they can potentially feature any LCS player's stream at any time.
If that's their intention I say it's retarded for them to do this in a manner related in any way to streaming rather than scaling their spectator mode to be usable on a larger scale appropriate to stream/tournament viewership.
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On December 05 2013 04:35 Ethelis wrote:
BW isn't forbidden right?!?!? It's time...
inb4 Riot contracts Savior to play in the LCS.
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On December 05 2013 04:35 Ethelis wrote:
BW isn't forbidden right?!?!? It's time...
Yes it is. The whole Starcraft franchise is forbidden.
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On December 05 2013 04:35 NotYango wrote:
How does SC2's lore compete directly against LoL? How does Diablo's lore compete against LoL in a way PoE's doesn't?
And any resemblance of WoW to LoL is largely because of how LoL borrowed mechanics to emulate WoW, not the reverse.
Because Heroes of the Storm :p
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On December 05 2013 04:38 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:35 NotYango wrote:
How does SC2's lore compete directly against LoL? How does Diablo's lore compete against LoL in a way PoE's doesn't?
And any resemblance of WoW to LoL is largely because of how LoL borrowed mechanics to emulate WoW, not the reverse. Because Heroes of the Storm :p
Touche.
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On December 05 2013 04:37 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:35 Ethelis wrote:
BW isn't forbidden right?!?!? It's time... inb4 Riot contracts Savior to play in the LCS.
all hail ma bonjangle
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On December 05 2013 04:29 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:14 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:12 Dusty wrote:On December 05 2013 04:07 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:03 Dan HH wrote:
I'm not even arguing whether it's right or not, I'm just saying they're doing what any company does in that position and I don't consider it newsworthy. It is newsworthy when they are the only company in this industry that does it. On December 05 2013 04:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
Does anyone remember when the curse pros were playing and promoting infinite crisis? I even remember Elementz casting it.
I think Riot wants to prevent that from happening in the future. So long as they don't falsely state that they're playing LoL when they're actually playing IC, that's actually still technically ok. They're also the only company that puts pro players on contracts, and gives them huge amounts of publicity/salary. Come on man, use your head. You're sponsored by Subway? Don't eat shit from McDonalds in public, do it in your own privacy or something. Sponsored by Nike? Don't wear shit from Reebok or whatever. This isn't crazy or some bullshit move by Riot to control eSports and become the Fourth Reich, they're making sure that LCS players have guidelines, and one of those is to not give other companies and games more exposure while drawing in a mostly League of Legends player audience. Yes that's fine. My point is that there's no way anyone can pass this off as not newsworthy or not worth discussing because it's standard practice in other industries. There's very much discussion to be had here PRECISELY because Riot is in such a unique position. I don't have a problem with it being discussed. You may have not realized this yet if you haven't been browsing around in the last couple of hours but this is the most popular news story about League of Legends in its history. And that's what I find absurd.
There hasn't been a company that makes a game EVER try to control literally every aspect of the community. Riot controls the competitive scene, the casual community within reddit, and this is making moves to control the last element, the streaming community. Its a big deal whenever ANY company strives for a monopoly.
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On December 05 2013 04:37 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:35 Requizen wrote:
Consider this: there is a chance that Riot is going to implement an in-game (in-client, anyway) stream service. This means that they can potentially feature any LCS player's stream at any time.
If that's their intention I say it's retarded for them to do this in a manner related in any way to streaming rather than scaling their spectator mode to be usable on a larger scale appropriate to stream/tournament viewership.
It's more likely that they allow in game youtube streaming. More so than starting their own streaming service.
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is this real life? they are nerfing Oracle's lense cd and duration???? thing already feel underpowered as fuck.
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On December 05 2013 04:40 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:29 Dan HH wrote:On December 05 2013 04:14 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:12 Dusty wrote:On December 05 2013 04:07 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:03 Dan HH wrote:
I'm not even arguing whether it's right or not, I'm just saying they're doing what any company does in that position and I don't consider it newsworthy. It is newsworthy when they are the only company in this industry that does it. On December 05 2013 04:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
Does anyone remember when the curse pros were playing and promoting infinite crisis? I even remember Elementz casting it.
I think Riot wants to prevent that from happening in the future. So long as they don't falsely state that they're playing LoL when they're actually playing IC, that's actually still technically ok. They're also the only company that puts pro players on contracts, and gives them huge amounts of publicity/salary. Come on man, use your head. You're sponsored by Subway? Don't eat shit from McDonalds in public, do it in your own privacy or something. Sponsored by Nike? Don't wear shit from Reebok or whatever. This isn't crazy or some bullshit move by Riot to control eSports and become the Fourth Reich, they're making sure that LCS players have guidelines, and one of those is to not give other companies and games more exposure while drawing in a mostly League of Legends player audience. Yes that's fine. My point is that there's no way anyone can pass this off as not newsworthy or not worth discussing because it's standard practice in other industries. There's very much discussion to be had here PRECISELY because Riot is in such a unique position. I don't have a problem with it being discussed. You may have not realized this yet if you haven't been browsing around in the last couple of hours but this is the most popular news story about League of Legends in its history. And that's what I find absurd. There hasn't been a company that makes a game EVER try to control literally every aspect of the community. Riot controls the competitive scene, the casual community within reddit, and this is making moves to control the last element, the streaming community. Its a big deal whenever ANY company strives for a monopoly.
seriously?
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On December 05 2013 04:35 NotYango wrote:
How does SC2's lore compete directly against LoL? How does Diablo's lore compete against LoL in a way PoE's doesn't?
And any resemblance of WoW to LoL is largely because of how LoL borrowed mechanics to emulate WoW, not the reverse.
Probably because it's a popular RP-funtime basis. But really, it's obviously about Blizzard and Dota2 etc and the quest for more $$. It's not a a decision I find very appealing, but it's totally in keeping with the misinterpreted preaching of Adam Smith.
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On December 05 2013 04:40 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:29 Dan HH wrote:On December 05 2013 04:14 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:12 Dusty wrote:On December 05 2013 04:07 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:03 Dan HH wrote:
I'm not even arguing whether it's right or not, I'm just saying they're doing what any company does in that position and I don't consider it newsworthy. It is newsworthy when they are the only company in this industry that does it. On December 05 2013 04:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
Does anyone remember when the curse pros were playing and promoting infinite crisis? I even remember Elementz casting it.
I think Riot wants to prevent that from happening in the future. So long as they don't falsely state that they're playing LoL when they're actually playing IC, that's actually still technically ok. They're also the only company that puts pro players on contracts, and gives them huge amounts of publicity/salary. Come on man, use your head. You're sponsored by Subway? Don't eat shit from McDonalds in public, do it in your own privacy or something. Sponsored by Nike? Don't wear shit from Reebok or whatever. This isn't crazy or some bullshit move by Riot to control eSports and become the Fourth Reich, they're making sure that LCS players have guidelines, and one of those is to not give other companies and games more exposure while drawing in a mostly League of Legends player audience. Yes that's fine. My point is that there's no way anyone can pass this off as not newsworthy or not worth discussing because it's standard practice in other industries. There's very much discussion to be had here PRECISELY because Riot is in such a unique position. I don't have a problem with it being discussed. You may have not realized this yet if you haven't been browsing around in the last couple of hours but this is the most popular news story about League of Legends in its history. And that's what I find absurd. There hasn't been a company that makes a game EVER try to control literally every aspect of the community. Riot controls the competitive scene, the casual community within reddit, and this is making moves to control the last element, the streaming community. Its a big deal whenever ANY company strives for a monopoly.
When the companies don't get involved, we complain they don't care or don't get it or don't want their game to succeed. When the companies get involved, we complain they're a controlling monopoly. This is damned if you do, damned if you don't, I think. I don't think there is evidence that Riot is suffocating the community.
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On December 05 2013 04:44 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:40 PrinceXizor wrote:On December 05 2013 04:29 Dan HH wrote:On December 05 2013 04:14 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:12 Dusty wrote:On December 05 2013 04:07 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:03 Dan HH wrote:
I'm not even arguing whether it's right or not, I'm just saying they're doing what any company does in that position and I don't consider it newsworthy. It is newsworthy when they are the only company in this industry that does it. On December 05 2013 04:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
Does anyone remember when the curse pros were playing and promoting infinite crisis? I even remember Elementz casting it.
I think Riot wants to prevent that from happening in the future. So long as they don't falsely state that they're playing LoL when they're actually playing IC, that's actually still technically ok. They're also the only company that puts pro players on contracts, and gives them huge amounts of publicity/salary. Come on man, use your head. You're sponsored by Subway? Don't eat shit from McDonalds in public, do it in your own privacy or something. Sponsored by Nike? Don't wear shit from Reebok or whatever. This isn't crazy or some bullshit move by Riot to control eSports and become the Fourth Reich, they're making sure that LCS players have guidelines, and one of those is to not give other companies and games more exposure while drawing in a mostly League of Legends player audience. Yes that's fine. My point is that there's no way anyone can pass this off as not newsworthy or not worth discussing because it's standard practice in other industries. There's very much discussion to be had here PRECISELY because Riot is in such a unique position. I don't have a problem with it being discussed. You may have not realized this yet if you haven't been browsing around in the last couple of hours but this is the most popular news story about League of Legends in its history. And that's what I find absurd. There hasn't been a company that makes a game EVER try to control literally every aspect of the community. Riot controls the competitive scene, the casual community within reddit, and this is making moves to control the last element, the streaming community. Its a big deal whenever ANY company strives for a monopoly. When the companies don't get involved, we complain they don't care or don't get it or don't want their game to succeed. When the companies get involved, we complain they're a controlling monopoly. This is damned if you do, damned if you don't, I think. I don't think there is evidence that Riot is suffocating the community.
LOL I don't see how you can possibly try to paint this as two extremes.
There's definitely a huge middle ground you are choosing to ignore.
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but those arent the only 2 options, the third is the 'passion project' style where they dump money in but allow freedom because its not their main concern or source of income, which is the image lots of companies like riot like to cultivate, that they just love gaming! and esports!
so its only fair that they get shit when their actions and words dont line up.
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On December 05 2013 04:44 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:40 PrinceXizor wrote:On December 05 2013 04:29 Dan HH wrote:On December 05 2013 04:14 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:12 Dusty wrote:On December 05 2013 04:07 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:03 Dan HH wrote:
I'm not even arguing whether it's right or not, I'm just saying they're doing what any company does in that position and I don't consider it newsworthy. It is newsworthy when they are the only company in this industry that does it. On December 05 2013 04:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
Does anyone remember when the curse pros were playing and promoting infinite crisis? I even remember Elementz casting it.
I think Riot wants to prevent that from happening in the future. So long as they don't falsely state that they're playing LoL when they're actually playing IC, that's actually still technically ok. They're also the only company that puts pro players on contracts, and gives them huge amounts of publicity/salary. Come on man, use your head. You're sponsored by Subway? Don't eat shit from McDonalds in public, do it in your own privacy or something. Sponsored by Nike? Don't wear shit from Reebok or whatever. This isn't crazy or some bullshit move by Riot to control eSports and become the Fourth Reich, they're making sure that LCS players have guidelines, and one of those is to not give other companies and games more exposure while drawing in a mostly League of Legends player audience. Yes that's fine. My point is that there's no way anyone can pass this off as not newsworthy or not worth discussing because it's standard practice in other industries. There's very much discussion to be had here PRECISELY because Riot is in such a unique position. I don't have a problem with it being discussed. You may have not realized this yet if you haven't been browsing around in the last couple of hours but this is the most popular news story about League of Legends in its history. And that's what I find absurd. There hasn't been a company that makes a game EVER try to control literally every aspect of the community. Riot controls the competitive scene, the casual community within reddit, and this is making moves to control the last element, the streaming community. Its a big deal whenever ANY company strives for a monopoly. When the companies don't get involved, we complain they don't care or don't get it or don't want their game to succeed. When the companies get involved, we complain they're a controlling monopoly. This is damned if you do, damned if you don't, I think. I don't think there is evidence that Riot is suffocating the community.
whats the positive difference for the community with this rule than without it? its not positive for the community, its positive for riots income in theory. which is why its not a move to get involved for the community, but for riot to control more aspects of the LoL community to limit exposure to rival companies, for profit. LoL wasn't inherently worse before these contracts were put out.
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On December 05 2013 04:40 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:40 PrinceXizor wrote:On December 05 2013 04:29 Dan HH wrote:On December 05 2013 04:14 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:12 Dusty wrote:On December 05 2013 04:07 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:03 Dan HH wrote:
I'm not even arguing whether it's right or not, I'm just saying they're doing what any company does in that position and I don't consider it newsworthy. It is newsworthy when they are the only company in this industry that does it. On December 05 2013 04:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
Does anyone remember when the curse pros were playing and promoting infinite crisis? I even remember Elementz casting it.
I think Riot wants to prevent that from happening in the future. So long as they don't falsely state that they're playing LoL when they're actually playing IC, that's actually still technically ok. They're also the only company that puts pro players on contracts, and gives them huge amounts of publicity/salary. Come on man, use your head. You're sponsored by Subway? Don't eat shit from McDonalds in public, do it in your own privacy or something. Sponsored by Nike? Don't wear shit from Reebok or whatever. This isn't crazy or some bullshit move by Riot to control eSports and become the Fourth Reich, they're making sure that LCS players have guidelines, and one of those is to not give other companies and games more exposure while drawing in a mostly League of Legends player audience. Yes that's fine. My point is that there's no way anyone can pass this off as not newsworthy or not worth discussing because it's standard practice in other industries. There's very much discussion to be had here PRECISELY because Riot is in such a unique position. I don't have a problem with it being discussed. You may have not realized this yet if you haven't been browsing around in the last couple of hours but this is the most popular news story about League of Legends in its history. And that's what I find absurd. There hasn't been a company that makes a game EVER try to control literally every aspect of the community. Riot controls the competitive scene, the casual community within reddit, and this is making moves to control the last element, the streaming community. Its a big deal whenever ANY company strives for a monopoly. seriously?
When the LoL subreddit was given a CSS update, the mods stated that they had been working with Riot on updating the subreddit. Not sure if they have any other role within the subreddit.
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On December 05 2013 04:22 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:21 obesechicken13 wrote:
@[Dicks]Requizen, I know you want to be secretive but can you give us any hints on new strategies you may be bringing into S4? I hear [Dicks] has been playing a lot of All for One Teemo on customs.
Gotta practice against All for One vs. Shyvana.
Speak of the devil...
On December 05 2013 04:35 Requizen wrote:
Consider this: there is a chance that Riot is going to implement an in-game (in-client, anyway) stream service. This means that they can potentially feature any LCS player's stream at any time.
What would it look like if an LCS player was playing Hearthstone or DotA2 on their stream, which is playing on LoL's platform?
Does it really matter? Will having Hearthstone or DotA2 in the client impact their bottom line that much? I honestly don't think so.
As far as I know, though, no LCS player streamed DotA2 before anyway, though I remember hearing in a Lumi interview that Link plays. The "worst" that I've seen happen was TSM streaming Smite in the downtime after Season 2 wrapped up.
It also reminds me of how you can play the PS4 in the Xbox One interface, lol.
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On December 05 2013 04:46 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 04:44 Takkara wrote:On December 05 2013 04:40 PrinceXizor wrote:On December 05 2013 04:29 Dan HH wrote:On December 05 2013 04:14 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:12 Dusty wrote:On December 05 2013 04:07 NotYango wrote:On December 05 2013 04:03 Dan HH wrote:
I'm not even arguing whether it's right or not, I'm just saying they're doing what any company does in that position and I don't consider it newsworthy. It is newsworthy when they are the only company in this industry that does it. On December 05 2013 04:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
Does anyone remember when the curse pros were playing and promoting infinite crisis? I even remember Elementz casting it.
I think Riot wants to prevent that from happening in the future. So long as they don't falsely state that they're playing LoL when they're actually playing IC, that's actually still technically ok. They're also the only company that puts pro players on contracts, and gives them huge amounts of publicity/salary. Come on man, use your head. You're sponsored by Subway? Don't eat shit from McDonalds in public, do it in your own privacy or something. Sponsored by Nike? Don't wear shit from Reebok or whatever. This isn't crazy or some bullshit move by Riot to control eSports and become the Fourth Reich, they're making sure that LCS players have guidelines, and one of those is to not give other companies and games more exposure while drawing in a mostly League of Legends player audience. Yes that's fine. My point is that there's no way anyone can pass this off as not newsworthy or not worth discussing because it's standard practice in other industries. There's very much discussion to be had here PRECISELY because Riot is in such a unique position. I don't have a problem with it being discussed. You may have not realized this yet if you haven't been browsing around in the last couple of hours but this is the most popular news story about League of Legends in its history. And that's what I find absurd. There hasn't been a company that makes a game EVER try to control literally every aspect of the community. Riot controls the competitive scene, the casual community within reddit, and this is making moves to control the last element, the streaming community. Its a big deal whenever ANY company strives for a monopoly. When the companies don't get involved, we complain they don't care or don't get it or don't want their game to succeed. When the companies get involved, we complain they're a controlling monopoly. This is damned if you do, damned if you don't, I think. I don't think there is evidence that Riot is suffocating the community. LOL I don't see how you can possibly try to paint this as two extremes. There's definitely a huge middle ground you are choosing to ignore.
And where is the evidence that we're not in that middle ground? PX seems to be making the claim that this contract is evidence of Riot taking control of the scene to form a monopoly, and that this follows from previous attempts to control the competitive scene and the casual community within Reddit. I don't see the evidence for any of that.
I see a company that is working on two tracks: trying to make money hand-over-fist and constantly nerding out about how big and successful and legitimate they can make an esports league (a la any normal sports league). Of course success in building the league leads back to making more money.
I don't see the proof of a monopoly though. No more so than any other developer has a "monopoly" in their own sandbox.
EDIT: For the record, as a spectator of LoL streams, I don't like this rule. However, I do not support people that are trying to get the rule changed by pitchforking the concept that Riot is some malicious dictator/monopoly. The whole opinion is so misguided. There is so much room for people to argue against the rule without having to kneejerk that Riot is trying to control streamers and monopolize the e-sports scene.
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On December 05 2013 04:49 kainzero wrote:
Does it really matter? Will having Hearthstone or DotA2 in the client impact their bottom line that much? I honestly don't think so.
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It could even benefit them. If Lol streamers are very popular dota/hearthstone streamers, and people have to download LoL client to watch them, then thats more active account numbers to brag about, as well as potential new customers.
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LOL you know you're the premier MOBA game when both DotA2 and LoL subreddits have this as their top link.
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