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JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
October 06 2013 19:06 GMT
#1461
Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it?
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 19:09:47
October 06 2013 19:09 GMT
#1462
On October 07 2013 04:04 turdburgler wrote:
the game riot seem to be making is one where you take tiny edges to gain an advantage, the game TLers seem to want to play is a game where you make trade offs to try and get a very specific victory type.

You're going to have to explain this leap in logic, because I don't follow how you determined that from what people are posting.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 06 2013 19:16 GMT
#1463
On October 07 2013 04:06 JonGalt wrote:
Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it?

Not very and not much. I'll try to hit up some diamonds and practice though, idk we'll see. It should be fun though. Just can't decide what I want to run. If you had to choose between ignite and barrier, which would you pick? Assuming you can't do both.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 19:23:52
October 06 2013 19:18 GMT
#1464
nothing specific to this conversation but most people on TL want to be able to deny like in dota and they want towers to be weaker and they want mana costs to be higher. all these things make it so everything has a cost. in lol towers allow you to cool off the action or play a hero really weak in lane and just farm mindlessly at a fairly effective level. and when you are denying in most situations that means you arent harrasing a bit or you arent csing perfectly. as much as im sure most people will claim to be able to get perfect cs and deny tons of creeps too i honestly dont believe that happens. so you have a game where there is a cost to a to everything, either getting absolutely butt raped in lane or simply losing more cs.

the game riot wants to make is a game of tiny edges. they dont want using 1 spell to get a creep kill to be costly and they dont want 1 death in lane to mean that you cant even get any creeps ever again. at least thats my interpretation of their choices.

i stopped following lol for like 6 months before worlds, how did a scrub like hazmat ever get efamous
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 06 2013 19:26 GMT
#1465
On October 07 2013 04:16 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:06 JonGalt wrote:
Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it?

Not very and not much. I'll try to hit up some diamonds and practice though, idk we'll see. It should be fun though. Just can't decide what I want to run. If you had to choose between ignite and barrier, which would you pick? Assuming you can't do both.

ignite/revive
suicide to tower
win
enjoy infinite style points
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 19:28:35
October 06 2013 19:27 GMT
#1466
On October 07 2013 04:26 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:16 HazMat wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:06 JonGalt wrote:
Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it?

Not very and not much. I'll try to hit up some diamonds and practice though, idk we'll see. It should be fun though. Just can't decide what I want to run. If you had to choose between ignite and barrier, which would you pick? Assuming you can't do both.

ignite/revive
suicide to tower
win
enjoy infinite style points

you'll have to start with boots or something so you can get there first because otherwise I'm pretty sure they will see this coming and just pick up first blood.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 06 2013 19:42 GMT
#1467
On October 07 2013 04:27 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:26 nafta wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:16 HazMat wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:06 JonGalt wrote:
Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it?

Not very and not much. I'll try to hit up some diamonds and practice though, idk we'll see. It should be fun though. Just can't decide what I want to run. If you had to choose between ignite and barrier, which would you pick? Assuming you can't do both.

ignite/revive
suicide to tower
win
enjoy infinite style points

you'll have to start with boots or something so you can get there first because otherwise I'm pretty sure they will see this coming and just pick up first blood.

Guarantee 99% will do red pot opening and wait for 4th health potion.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 06 2013 19:43 GMT
#1468
On October 06 2013 15:39 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2013 15:05 Fusilero wrote:
On October 06 2013 15:04 cLutZ wrote:
Kat doesn't wreck anyone...

Well idk I'm just saying what I heard, you know between the essays of why rework kat sucks.


I mean, I guess he can't all in you that well post 6 cus he eats a full channeled ult?

Kat has 825 HP; 34.5 Armor.
Zed has 845 HP; 36.25 Mres; 71 AD (Assuming 1 pt W); 5 Bonus AD

Weak math (no items cus lazy): Zed's lvl 6 burst with 1 auto is 100%AD +1.2 * (6% Max HP+AD+ 155 + 100% Bonus AD + 77 +50% Bonus + 60 + 80% Bonus AD) = 71 + 1.2*424 = 580. That would be reduced to 431.

Kat (W Max) 75+ 110 (x2?) + 60 + 400 = 635 (745?) Reduced to : 466 (546?)
(Q) 155 + 40 + 60 + 400 = 655 (695 if 2 W) > 481 (510).

So, like, before items, Zed can't just all in a Kat. Edit, thats just the maths, Zed has better scaling (sans resets) and more outplayability. So, I think if Zed was actually balanced it would be a decent lane for kat!


TL LOL's Guide to QQ:

1. Complain about lack of serious discussion
2. Someone actually puts in a mild amount of effort into figuring out why a seemingly bizarre statement (Kat is good vs. Zed) could make sense.
3. Ignore the theorycraft completely.
Freeeeeeedom
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
October 06 2013 19:44 GMT
#1469
On October 07 2013 04:16 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:06 JonGalt wrote:
Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it?

Not very and not much. I'll try to hit up some diamonds and practice though, idk we'll see. It should be fun though. Just can't decide what I want to run. If you had to choose between ignite and barrier, which would you pick? Assuming you can't do both.


it would really depend on what your masteries and runes are and what type of playstyle you have. Unfortunately because of my technology constraints I have never seen you play

I'd run barrier, with defensive masteries and runes. In a 1v1, LS v LS, setting people are going to try to play aggressive and flashy. I feel like out lasting flashy all ins and countering with a sick barrier save into reverse first blood will be the way to go.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
October 06 2013 19:45 GMT
#1470
On October 07 2013 04:06 JonGalt wrote:
Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it?

What're the dates/times for that again?
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 19:50:28
October 06 2013 19:47 GMT
#1471
On October 07 2013 04:18 turdburgler wrote:
nothing specific to this conversation but most people on TL want to be able to deny like in dota and they want towers to be weaker and they want mana costs to be higher. all these things make it so everything has a cost. in lol towers allow you to cool off the action or play a hero really weak in lane and just farm mindlessly at a fairly effective level. and when you are denying in most situations that means you arent harrasing a bit or you arent csing perfectly. as much as im sure most people will claim to be able to get perfect cs and deny tons of creeps too i honestly dont believe that happens. so you have a game where there is a cost to a to everything, either getting absolutely butt raped in lane or simply losing more cs.

the game riot wants to make is a game of tiny edges. they dont want using 1 spell to get a creep kill to be costly and they dont want 1 death in lane to mean that you cant even get any creeps ever again. at least thats my interpretation of their choices.

i stopped following lol for like 6 months before worlds, how did a scrub like hazmat ever get efamous

I don't remember anyone wanting these things, except for maybe a few people who trickle over from the DotA forum?

Who are you reading that says this stuff?

Also, my complaint with CSing with spells is that the spells that are generally "CS with them" spells are thoroughly boring and uninteresting and are barely more interesting than autoattacks in terms of their design. Spells like Annie's Q, Veigar's Q, Vlad's Q, Ryze's Q, etc. are such uninteresting abilities that I honestly feel like they're a waste of an ability slot when you could essentially roll their functionality into an AP scaling autoattack and have a spell that actually has interesting gameplay in their place.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 06 2013 19:49 GMT
#1472
Before her last change Kat would be able to channel her full ultimate as soon as Zed goes in, then Shunpo/Zhonya for the damage reduction/dodge, however with the new, longer ult the window is much shorter.
Also Zed can just clear the wave from a safer place than Kat since he doesn't have to actually move in the wave to use his PB-AoE.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 06 2013 19:49 GMT
#1473
On October 07 2013 04:43 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2013 15:39 cLutZ wrote:
On October 06 2013 15:05 Fusilero wrote:
On October 06 2013 15:04 cLutZ wrote:
Kat doesn't wreck anyone...

Well idk I'm just saying what I heard, you know between the essays of why rework kat sucks.


I mean, I guess he can't all in you that well post 6 cus he eats a full channeled ult?

Kat has 825 HP; 34.5 Armor.
Zed has 845 HP; 36.25 Mres; 71 AD (Assuming 1 pt W); 5 Bonus AD

Weak math (no items cus lazy): Zed's lvl 6 burst with 1 auto is 100%AD +1.2 * (6% Max HP+AD+ 155 + 100% Bonus AD + 77 +50% Bonus + 60 + 80% Bonus AD) = 71 + 1.2*424 = 580. That would be reduced to 431.

Kat (W Max) 75+ 110 (x2?) + 60 + 400 = 635 (745?) Reduced to : 466 (546?)
(Q) 155 + 40 + 60 + 400 = 655 (695 if 2 W) > 481 (510).

So, like, before items, Zed can't just all in a Kat. Edit, thats just the maths, Zed has better scaling (sans resets) and more outplayability. So, I think if Zed was actually balanced it would be a decent lane for kat!


TL LOL's Guide to QQ:

1. Complain about lack of serious discussion
2. Someone actually puts in a mild amount of effort into figuring out why a seemingly bizarre statement (Kat is good vs. Zed) could make sense.
3. Ignore the theorycraft completely.

Didn't need to math craft, we pretty much came to the conclusion pretty quickly why kat would do decent against Zed, but seriously, to deal with zed, just ban his ass.
liftlift > tsm
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 06 2013 19:49 GMT
#1474
On October 07 2013 04:45 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:06 JonGalt wrote:
Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it?

What're the dates/times for that again?

Shit if I knew. It's this saturday and sunday, but the brackets and time hasn't been released yet.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 06 2013 19:53 GMT
#1475
Mirror match ups on ARAM so fun. 10 syndras
If your teammate uses your orbs to kill someone, you get the kill credit. lol
So you can have your teammates snowball ulti, 5 in a row.
1 person ulti's, then 2nd person ultis, eventually by the 5th ulti you'll be doing like 3k dmg.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 19:54:05
October 06 2013 19:53 GMT
#1476
It's not ARAM if you're picking heroes.

More appropriate term would be SCAM really.
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LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
October 06 2013 19:54 GMT
#1477
The cooldown on Gragas' body slam needs to be lengthened. With CDR (which is easy to get nowadays) he's nearly impossible to take down (goes along with my hatred of all the stupid mobility prevalent in this game).

When you add the CDR on his body slam with his CC from his ult, he's nearly untouchable
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
October 06 2013 19:57 GMT
#1478
On October 07 2013 04:53 TheYango wrote:
It's not ARAM if you're picking heroes.

More appropriate term would be SCAM really.

-apshom?
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 06 2013 19:57 GMT
#1479
On October 07 2013 04:54 LoCicero wrote:
The cooldown on Gragas' body slam needs to be lengthened. With CDR (which is easy to get nowadays) he's nearly impossible to take down (goes along with my hatred of all the stupid mobility prevalent in this game).

When you add the CDR on his body slam with his CC from his ult, he's nearly untouchable


obviously you havent tried playing GP vs him.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 20:01:14
October 06 2013 20:00 GMT
#1480
On October 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:43 cLutZ wrote:
On October 06 2013 15:39 cLutZ wrote:
On October 06 2013 15:05 Fusilero wrote:
On October 06 2013 15:04 cLutZ wrote:
Kat doesn't wreck anyone...

Well idk I'm just saying what I heard, you know between the essays of why rework kat sucks.


I mean, I guess he can't all in you that well post 6 cus he eats a full channeled ult?

Kat has 825 HP; 34.5 Armor.
Zed has 845 HP; 36.25 Mres; 71 AD (Assuming 1 pt W); 5 Bonus AD

Weak math (no items cus lazy): Zed's lvl 6 burst with 1 auto is 100%AD +1.2 * (6% Max HP+AD+ 155 + 100% Bonus AD + 77 +50% Bonus + 60 + 80% Bonus AD) = 71 + 1.2*424 = 580. That would be reduced to 431.

Kat (W Max) 75+ 110 (x2?) + 60 + 400 = 635 (745?) Reduced to : 466 (546?)
(Q) 155 + 40 + 60 + 400 = 655 (695 if 2 W) > 481 (510).

So, like, before items, Zed can't just all in a Kat. Edit, thats just the maths, Zed has better scaling (sans resets) and more outplayability. So, I think if Zed was actually balanced it would be a decent lane for kat!


TL LOL's Guide to QQ:

1. Complain about lack of serious discussion
2. Someone actually puts in a mild amount of effort into figuring out why a seemingly bizarre statement (Kat is good vs. Zed) could make sense.
3. Ignore the theorycraft completely.

Didn't need to math craft, we pretty much came to the conclusion pretty quickly why kat would do decent against Zed, but seriously, to deal with zed, just ban his ass.


The point is that PX would have somehow gotten 6 pages of discussion out of the same (or similar) random statement. Without a single number.
Freeeeeeedom
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