[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 74

On October 07 2013 04:04 turdburgler wrote:
the game riot seem to be making is one where you take tiny edges to gain an advantage, the game TLers seem to want to play is a game where you make trade offs to try and get a very specific victory type.

On October 07 2013 04:06 JonGalt wrote:
Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it?

On October 07 2013 04:16 HazMat wrote:

Not very and not much. I'll try to hit up some diamonds and practice though, idk we'll see. It should be fun though. Just can't decide what I want to run. If you had to choose between ignite and barrier, which would you pick? Assuming you can't do both.

On October 07 2013 04:26 nafta wrote:

ignite/revive
suicide to tower
win
enjoy infinite style points

On October 07 2013 04:27 UniversalSnip wrote:

you'll have to start with boots or something so you can get there first because otherwise I'm pretty sure they will see this coming and just pick up first blood.

On October 06 2013 15:39 cLutZ wrote:


I mean, I guess he can't all in you that well post 6 cus he eats a full channeled ult?

Kat has 825 HP; 34.5 Armor.
Zed has 845 HP; 36.25 Mres; 71 AD (Assuming 1 pt W); 5 Bonus AD

Weak math (no items cus lazy): Zed's lvl 6 burst with 1 auto is 100%AD +1.2 * (6% Max HP+AD+ 155 + 100% Bonus AD + 77 +50% Bonus + 60 + 80% Bonus AD) = 71 + 1.2*424 = 580. That would be reduced to 431.

Kat (W Max) 75+ 110 (x2?) + 60 + 400 = 635 (745?) Reduced to : 466 (546?)
(Q) 155 + 40 + 60 + 400 = 655 (695 if 2 W) > 481 (510).

So, like, before items, Zed can't just all in a Kat. Edit, thats just the maths, Zed has better scaling (sans resets) and more outplayability. So, I think if Zed was actually balanced it would be a decent lane for kat!

On October 07 2013 04:16 HazMat wrote:

Not very and not much. I'll try to hit up some diamonds and practice though, idk we'll see. It should be fun though. Just can't decide what I want to run. If you had to choose between ignite and barrier, which would you pick? Assuming you can't do both.

On October 07 2013 04:06 JonGalt wrote:
Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it?

On October 07 2013 04:18 turdburgler wrote:
nothing specific to this conversation but most people on TL want to be able to deny like in dota and they want towers to be weaker and they want mana costs to be higher. all these things make it so everything has a cost. in lol towers allow you to cool off the action or play a hero really weak in lane and just farm mindlessly at a fairly effective level. and when you are denying in most situations that means you arent harrasing a bit or you arent csing perfectly. as much as im sure most people will claim to be able to get perfect cs and deny tons of creeps too i honestly dont believe that happens. so you have a game where there is a cost to a to everything, either getting absolutely butt raped in lane or simply losing more cs.

the game riot wants to make is a game of tiny edges. they dont want using 1 spell to get a creep kill to be costly and they dont want 1 death in lane to mean that you cant even get any creeps ever again. at least thats my interpretation of their choices.

i stopped following lol for like 6 months before worlds, how did a scrub like hazmat ever get efamous

On October 07 2013 04:43 cLutZ wrote:


TL LOL's Guide to QQ:

1. Complain about lack of serious discussion
2. Someone actually puts in a mild amount of effort into figuring out why a seemingly bizarre statement (Kat is good vs. Zed) could make sense.
3. Ignore the theorycraft completely.

On October 07 2013 04:45 Haiq343 wrote:

What're the dates/times for that again?

On October 07 2013 04:53 TheYango wrote:
It's not ARAM if you're picking heroes.

More appropriate term would be SCAM really.

On October 07 2013 04:54 LoCicero wrote:
The cooldown on Gragas' body slam needs to be lengthened. With CDR (which is easy to get nowadays) he's nearly impossible to take down (goes along with my hatred of all the stupid mobility prevalent in this game).

When you add the CDR on his body slam with his CC from his ult, he's nearly untouchable

On October 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:

Didn't need to math craft, we pretty much came to the conclusion pretty quickly why kat would do decent against Zed, but seriously, to deal with zed, just ban his ass.