EPT[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 74
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:04 turdburgler wrote: the game riot seem to be making is one where you take tiny edges to gain an advantage, the game TLers seem to want to play is a game where you make trade offs to try and get a very specific victory type. You're going to have to explain this leap in logic, because I don't follow how you determined that from what people are posting. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:06 JonGalt wrote: Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it? Not very and not much. I'll try to hit up some diamonds and practice though, idk we'll see. It should be fun though. Just can't decide what I want to run. If you had to choose between ignite and barrier, which would you pick? Assuming you can't do both. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
the game riot wants to make is a game of tiny edges. they dont want using 1 spell to get a creep kill to be costly and they dont want 1 death in lane to mean that you cant even get any creeps ever again. at least thats my interpretation of their choices. i stopped following lol for like 6 months before worlds, how did a scrub like hazmat ever get efamous | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:16 HazMat wrote: Not very and not much. I'll try to hit up some diamonds and practice though, idk we'll see. It should be fun though. Just can't decide what I want to run. If you had to choose between ignite and barrier, which would you pick? Assuming you can't do both. ignite/revive suicide to tower win enjoy infinite style points | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:26 nafta wrote: ignite/revive suicide to tower win enjoy infinite style points you'll have to start with boots or something so you can get there first because otherwise I'm pretty sure they will see this coming and just pick up first blood. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:27 UniversalSnip wrote: you'll have to start with boots or something so you can get there first because otherwise I'm pretty sure they will see this coming and just pick up first blood. Guarantee 99% will do red pot opening and wait for 4th health potion. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 06 2013 15:39 cLutZ wrote: I mean, I guess he can't all in you that well post 6 cus he eats a full channeled ult? Kat has 825 HP; 34.5 Armor. Zed has 845 HP; 36.25 Mres; 71 AD (Assuming 1 pt W); 5 Bonus AD Weak math (no items cus lazy): Zed's lvl 6 burst with 1 auto is 100%AD +1.2 * (6% Max HP+AD+ 155 + 100% Bonus AD + 77 +50% Bonus + 60 + 80% Bonus AD) = 71 + 1.2*424 = 580. That would be reduced to 431. Kat (W Max) 75+ 110 (x2?) + 60 + 400 = 635 (745?) Reduced to : 466 (546?) (Q) 155 + 40 + 60 + 400 = 655 (695 if 2 W) > 481 (510). So, like, before items, Zed can't just all in a Kat. Edit, thats just the maths, Zed has better scaling (sans resets) and more outplayability. So, I think if Zed was actually balanced it would be a decent lane for kat! TL LOL's Guide to QQ: 1. Complain about lack of serious discussion 2. Someone actually puts in a mild amount of effort into figuring out why a seemingly bizarre statement (Kat is good vs. Zed) could make sense. 3. Ignore the theorycraft completely. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:16 HazMat wrote: Not very and not much. I'll try to hit up some diamonds and practice though, idk we'll see. It should be fun though. Just can't decide what I want to run. If you had to choose between ignite and barrier, which would you pick? Assuming you can't do both. it would really depend on what your masteries and runes are and what type of playstyle you have. Unfortunately because of my technology constraints I have never seen you play  I'd run barrier, with defensive masteries and runes. In a 1v1, LS v LS, setting people are going to try to play aggressive and flashy. I feel like out lasting flashy all ins and countering with a sick barrier save into reverse first blood will be the way to go. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:06 JonGalt wrote: Shake, how confident are you feeling for BLSNA? How are you practicing for it? What're the dates/times for that again? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:18 turdburgler wrote: nothing specific to this conversation but most people on TL want to be able to deny like in dota and they want towers to be weaker and they want mana costs to be higher. all these things make it so everything has a cost. in lol towers allow you to cool off the action or play a hero really weak in lane and just farm mindlessly at a fairly effective level. and when you are denying in most situations that means you arent harrasing a bit or you arent csing perfectly. as much as im sure most people will claim to be able to get perfect cs and deny tons of creeps too i honestly dont believe that happens. so you have a game where there is a cost to a to everything, either getting absolutely butt raped in lane or simply losing more cs. the game riot wants to make is a game of tiny edges. they dont want using 1 spell to get a creep kill to be costly and they dont want 1 death in lane to mean that you cant even get any creeps ever again. at least thats my interpretation of their choices. i stopped following lol for like 6 months before worlds, how did a scrub like hazmat ever get efamous I don't remember anyone wanting these things, except for maybe a few people who trickle over from the DotA forum? Who are you reading that says this stuff? Also, my complaint with CSing with spells is that the spells that are generally "CS with them" spells are thoroughly boring and uninteresting and are barely more interesting than autoattacks in terms of their design. Spells like Annie's Q, Veigar's Q, Vlad's Q, Ryze's Q, etc. are such uninteresting abilities that I honestly feel like they're a waste of an ability slot when you could essentially roll their functionality into an AP scaling autoattack and have a spell that actually has interesting gameplay in their place. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also Zed can just clear the wave from a safer place than Kat since he doesn't have to actually move in the wave to use his PB-AoE. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:43 cLutZ wrote: TL LOL's Guide to QQ: 1. Complain about lack of serious discussion 2. Someone actually puts in a mild amount of effort into figuring out why a seemingly bizarre statement (Kat is good vs. Zed) could make sense. 3. Ignore the theorycraft completely. Didn't need to math craft, we pretty much came to the conclusion pretty quickly why kat would do decent against Zed, but seriously, to deal with zed, just ban his ass. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Shit if I knew. It's this saturday and sunday, but the brackets and time hasn't been released yet. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
If your teammate uses your orbs to kill someone, you get the kill credit. lol So you can have your teammates snowball ulti, 5 in a row. 1 person ulti's, then 2nd person ultis, eventually by the 5th ulti you'll be doing like 3k dmg. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
More appropriate term would be SCAM really. | ||
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
When you add the CDR on his body slam with his CC from his ult, he's nearly untouchable | ||
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:53 TheYango wrote: It's not ARAM if you're picking heroes. More appropriate term would be SCAM really. -apshom? | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:54 LoCicero wrote: The cooldown on Gragas' body slam needs to be lengthened. With CDR (which is easy to get nowadays) he's nearly impossible to take down (goes along with my hatred of all the stupid mobility prevalent in this game). When you add the CDR on his body slam with his CC from his ult, he's nearly untouchable obviously you havent tried playing GP vs him. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote: Didn't need to math craft, we pretty much came to the conclusion pretty quickly why kat would do decent against Zed, but seriously, to deal with zed, just ban his ass. The point is that PX would have somehow gotten 6 pages of discussion out of the same (or similar) random statement. Without a single number. | ||
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