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Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
October 06 2013 20:02 GMT
#1481
Not sure right thread to post this but looking for 2 Diamond/Plat players in the NJ/Philly area for a LAN outside of AC, 100$+3200 RP+Triumphant Ryze for 1st place, rp for the next 3 spots
Best Trashcan NA - LoL Summoner. SKT / CLG / Liquid
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
October 06 2013 20:09 GMT
#1482
On October 07 2013 04:53 wei2coolman wrote:
Mirror match ups on ARAM so fun. 10 syndras
If your teammate uses your orbs to kill someone, you get the kill credit. lol
So you can have your teammates snowball ulti, 5 in a row.
1 person ulti's, then 2nd person ultis, eventually by the 5th ulti you'll be doing like 3k dmg.


Dayum. Mathies needs to come back. Mathies next ASAM bonjwa.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 20:13:30
October 06 2013 20:12 GMT
#1483
On October 07 2013 05:09 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:53 wei2coolman wrote:
Mirror match ups on ARAM so fun. 10 syndras
If your teammate uses your orbs to kill someone, you get the kill credit. lol
So you can have your teammates snowball ulti, 5 in a row.
1 person ulti's, then 2nd person ultis, eventually by the 5th ulti you'll be doing like 3k dmg.


Dayum. Mathies needs to come back. Mathies next ASAM bonjwa.

I did okay, but there was like a syndra on my team that went 20-9, don't even know how he only died 9 times, when each ulti was pretty much guaranteed death. It was pretty funny though, I was able to absorb like 3 ultis in one of the engagements. Zhonya's dodged 2 of the ultis, Seraphs + Barrier kept me alive through the 3rd one, then 4th one killed me.
On October 07 2013 05:00 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:43 cLutZ wrote:
On October 06 2013 15:39 cLutZ wrote:
On October 06 2013 15:05 Fusilero wrote:
On October 06 2013 15:04 cLutZ wrote:
Kat doesn't wreck anyone...

Well idk I'm just saying what I heard, you know between the essays of why rework kat sucks.


I mean, I guess he can't all in you that well post 6 cus he eats a full channeled ult?

Kat has 825 HP; 34.5 Armor.
Zed has 845 HP; 36.25 Mres; 71 AD (Assuming 1 pt W); 5 Bonus AD

Weak math (no items cus lazy): Zed's lvl 6 burst with 1 auto is 100%AD +1.2 * (6% Max HP+AD+ 155 + 100% Bonus AD + 77 +50% Bonus + 60 + 80% Bonus AD) = 71 + 1.2*424 = 580. That would be reduced to 431.

Kat (W Max) 75+ 110 (x2?) + 60 + 400 = 635 (745?) Reduced to : 466 (546?)
(Q) 155 + 40 + 60 + 400 = 655 (695 if 2 W) > 481 (510).

So, like, before items, Zed can't just all in a Kat. Edit, thats just the maths, Zed has better scaling (sans resets) and more outplayability. So, I think if Zed was actually balanced it would be a decent lane for kat!


TL LOL's Guide to QQ:

1. Complain about lack of serious discussion
2. Someone actually puts in a mild amount of effort into figuring out why a seemingly bizarre statement (Kat is good vs. Zed) could make sense.
3. Ignore the theorycraft completely.

Didn't need to math craft, we pretty much came to the conclusion pretty quickly why kat would do decent against Zed, but seriously, to deal with zed, just ban his ass.


The point is that PX would have somehow gotten 6 pages of discussion out of the same (or similar) random statement. Without a single number.

I'd still wouldn't pick kat into zed. Zed just farms and roams and gets ez kills. Kat just spins around waiting to get stun in teamfights.
liftlift > tsm
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
October 06 2013 20:17 GMT
#1484
My friend in diamond has a 64% winrate with Kat, I think you guys are just doing it wrong.
Stay positive!
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
October 06 2013 20:23 GMT
#1485
On October 07 2013 05:17 remedium wrote:
My friend in diamond has a 64% winrate with Kat, I think you guys are just doing it wrong.


Not necessarily, Kat is an interesting champ with the potential for sick outplays, Zed is just superior in every aspect pretty much
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 06 2013 20:30 GMT
#1486
That is just because Kat's numbers got kinda Shafted. Like the Kha6 vs. Zed comparison. That said, neither Kat nor Zed can be anything but very niche if LOL is to be healthy.
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Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 20:54:45
October 06 2013 20:52 GMT
#1487
On October 07 2013 05:17 remedium wrote:
My friend in diamond has a 64% winrate with Kat, I think you guys are just doing it wrong.


useless statistic

for example, I have an 80% winrate with Eve and am in Diamond, does this make me a really pro eve player, as opposed to someone like, durr?

2 of those games were ranked 5s, 1 was on ranked 3s..
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 06 2013 20:54 GMT
#1488
On October 07 2013 05:52 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 05:17 remedium wrote:
My friend in diamond has a 64% winrate with Kat, I think you guys are just doing it wrong.


useless statistic

Who cares if you win if you're not doing it right.

Come on TL LoL, leave the trash champions behind once you hit Plat.
It's your boy Guzma!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 06 2013 20:55 GMT
#1489
On October 07 2013 04:53 TheYango wrote:
It's not ARAM if you're picking heroes.

More appropriate term would be SCAM really.

I preferred SHAM. Less obvious, more elitist.

On October 07 2013 04:54 LoCicero wrote:
The cooldown on Gragas' body slam needs to be lengthened. With CDR (which is easy to get nowadays) he's nearly impossible to take down (goes along with my hatred of all the stupid mobility prevalent in this game).

When you add the CDR on his body slam with his CC from his ult, he's nearly untouchable

Riven. Your move.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 06 2013 20:55 GMT
#1490
On October 07 2013 05:55 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:53 TheYango wrote:
It's not ARAM if you're picking heroes.

More appropriate term would be SCAM really.

I preferred SHAM. Less obvious, more elitist.

Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 04:54 LoCicero wrote:
The cooldown on Gragas' body slam needs to be lengthened. With CDR (which is easy to get nowadays) he's nearly impossible to take down (goes along with my hatred of all the stupid mobility prevalent in this game).

When you add the CDR on his body slam with his CC from his ult, he's nearly untouchable

Riven. Your move.

To be fair, Riven doesn't have a massive AoE knockback.
It's your boy Guzma!
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
October 06 2013 20:59 GMT
#1491
On October 07 2013 05:55 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 05:55 Alaric wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:53 TheYango wrote:
It's not ARAM if you're picking heroes.

More appropriate term would be SCAM really.

I preferred SHAM. Less obvious, more elitist.

On October 07 2013 04:54 LoCicero wrote:
The cooldown on Gragas' body slam needs to be lengthened. With CDR (which is easy to get nowadays) he's nearly impossible to take down (goes along with my hatred of all the stupid mobility prevalent in this game).

When you add the CDR on his body slam with his CC from his ult, he's nearly untouchable

Riven. Your move.

To be fair, Riven doesn't have a massive AoE knockback.

She has a knockback, it just isn't massive
Platinum Support GOD
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 06 2013 21:01 GMT
#1492
Yeah she only has a stun, a dash+AoE knock-back with big range (if she does it at one end of J4's ult the knock-back will hit people right outside of the ult on the other end), and 3 another dashes in her kit. I mean bootless she outruns most champs with level 2 boots in the game, evven those with dashes of their own.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 06 2013 21:04 GMT
#1493
On October 07 2013 05:59 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 05:55 Requizen wrote:
On October 07 2013 05:55 Alaric wrote:
On October 07 2013 04:53 TheYango wrote:
It's not ARAM if you're picking heroes.

More appropriate term would be SCAM really.

I preferred SHAM. Less obvious, more elitist.

On October 07 2013 04:54 LoCicero wrote:
The cooldown on Gragas' body slam needs to be lengthened. With CDR (which is easy to get nowadays) he's nearly impossible to take down (goes along with my hatred of all the stupid mobility prevalent in this game).

When you add the CDR on his body slam with his CC from his ult, he's nearly untouchable

Riven. Your move.

To be fair, Riven doesn't have a massive AoE knockback.

She has a knockback, it just isn't massive

Changed to a knockup.
It's your boy Guzma!
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-06 21:04:48
October 06 2013 21:04 GMT
#1494
Wasn't the knockback changed for a knockup recently?

edit: meh, shen'd
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 06 2013 21:05 GMT
#1495
On October 07 2013 05:54 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 05:52 Dusty wrote:
On October 07 2013 05:17 remedium wrote:
My friend in diamond has a 64% winrate with Kat, I think you guys are just doing it wrong.


useless statistic

Who cares if you win if you're not doing it right.

Come on TL LoL, leave the trash champions behind once you hit Plat.

Is this why you'll always play teemo forever.
Glorious SEA doto
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
October 06 2013 21:16 GMT
#1496
Given that Renekton is fotm, who does well against him? I play very little top lane so I've got no idea. I keep hearing Garen but I'm not sure about that. Or does he sort of do well vs everyone, hence the popularity.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
October 06 2013 21:19 GMT
#1497
On October 07 2013 06:16 JazzVortical wrote:
Given that Renekton is fotm, who does well against him? I play very little top lane so I've got no idea. I keep hearing Garen but I'm not sure about that. Or does he sort of do well vs everyone, hence the popularity.


I wouldn't say "does well" but there's Shyvanna and Nasus, neither of which Renekton can really fight. As a result, it basically turns into a farm lane but then Renekton gets outscaled a bit compared to the other two.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
October 06 2013 21:24 GMT
#1498
On October 07 2013 06:19 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 06:16 JazzVortical wrote:
Given that Renekton is fotm, who does well against him? I play very little top lane so I've got no idea. I keep hearing Garen but I'm not sure about that. Or does he sort of do well vs everyone, hence the popularity.


I wouldn't say "does well" but there's Shyvanna and Nasus, neither of which Renekton can really fight. As a result, it basically turns into a farm lane but then Renekton gets outscaled a bit compared to the other two.

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aurawashere
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
October 06 2013 21:25 GMT
#1499
Renekton can crush Nasus all he has to do is be aggressive unless Nasus gets jungler help early on he will lose to the point where by time Nasus hits his power spike Renekton will be equal if not stronger through item and levels. Rumble beats Renekton once you hit lvl4+. Renekton is just a solid hero he has good aoe, a stun that gives retarded single target damage, an escape and a free sunfire cape. Shyv doesn't beat Renekton imo it will be a farm lane or a lane that is dictated by jungle pressure if you just pop your stun on Shyv as she W's you can E away and just farm the wave under your turret.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
October 06 2013 21:29 GMT
#1500
On October 07 2013 06:25 aurawashere wrote:
Renekton can crush Nasus all he has to do is be aggressive unless Nasus gets jungler help early on he will lose to the point where by time Nasus hits his power spike Renekton will be equal if not stronger through item and levels. Rumble beats Renekton once you hit lvl4+. Renekton is just a solid hero he has good aoe, a stun that gives retarded single target damage, an escape and a free sunfire cape. Shyv doesn't beat Renekton imo it will be a farm lane or a lane that is dictated by jungle pressure if you just pop your stun on Shyv as she W's you can E away and just farm the wave under your turret.



Really? I thought the new dorans shield + pot start compounded with the fact that you can't afford to take level 1-2 creep aggro aggressively made Renekton vs Nasus a lot more equal.

As for the Shyvanna, she can't force any fights but her W is always up and you basically can't ever trade her with it. Eventually she gets armor and it's basically a farm lane as yo mentioned.
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