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On October 06 2013 16:38 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 16:25 Gahlo wrote:On October 06 2013 15:09 iCanada wrote:
PSA: Blitzcrank Caitlyn is an aweful lane... The only reason to pick blitz is day hard engage. Biggest reason to pick Cait is dat poke. Like lolwut.
Why do people pick that shit in soloqueue... Because gotta play them op champs. What is a team comp? -.- Its like the stupidest thing in the world. Every time Blitz goes in and pulls support then other lane 2-0's Cait/Blitz.
The rational is that cait can control the lane better than most adcs which allows blitz to zone and take bush control easily. Cait can also heavily out trade short range bot lanes like thresh and graves without the help of a support. Usually blitz wants to focus on pulling the adc if his own adc is not as bursty. If he happens to pull the support then hes in better position to exhaust the opposing adc anyway. Blitz + traps is a scary thing especially since the root from the trap makes the target AA and pull minion aggro. Its not the best lane but without considering what the matchup is you can't just assume its the worst.
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On October 06 2013 17:39 FinestHour wrote:
if zed was so faceroll and easy then everyone could play it like faker
but hint they cant
Ya but even Reginald can go godlike on Zed.
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On October 06 2013 17:39 FinestHour wrote:
if zed was so faceroll and easy then everyone could play it like faker
but hint they cant
That is irrelevant. I would say Zed's risk/reward is out of wack for all levels of play. His snowball potential is always high, his ability to get snowballed against is always low. Just because you don't dodge autoattacks with shadow swaps doesn't mean the champ isn't good for you.
Zed's biggest weakness at lower levels is probably overconfidence by Zed players trying to be like Faker and either getting counterganked during laning, splitpushing too hard without wards, or diving 1v5 onto AD Carries without your team.
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"undo item" is now disabled, so the terror should be over.
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On October 06 2013 17:52 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 17:39 FinestHour wrote:
if zed was so faceroll and easy then everyone could play it like faker
but hint they cant That is irrelevant. I would say Zed's risk/reward is out of wack for all levels of play. His snowball potential is always high, his ability to get snowballed against is always low. Just because you don't dodge autoattacks with shadow swaps doesn't mean the champ isn't good for you. Zed's biggest weakness at lower levels is probably overconfidence by Zed players trying to be like Faker and either getting counterganked during laning, splitpushing too hard without wards, or diving 1v5 onto AD Carries without your team.
That's right. Zed is good in lane, good at burst, good at poke, good at disengage, good in teamfights, an energy-user, etc.
Fizz has a niche and a distinctive character and playstyle.
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How is 'blowing someone the fuck up' a niche?
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On October 06 2013 17:55 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
"undo item" is now disabled, so the terror should be over.
None of my friends even knew it existed until I yell at them whenever they complain about buying the wrong items.
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What quints do you guys recommend for a hybrid page with hybrid pen reds? Hybrid quints? HP?
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On October 06 2013 18:55 sob3k wrote:
What quints do you guys recommend for a hybrid page with hybrid pen reds? Hybrid quints? HP?
I always end up running ms quints if Damage or ap don't fit.
Probably not optimal though.
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On October 06 2013 18:16 1ntrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 17:52 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2013 17:39 FinestHour wrote:
if zed was so faceroll and easy then everyone could play it like faker
but hint they cant That is irrelevant. I would say Zed's risk/reward is out of wack for all levels of play. His snowball potential is always high, his ability to get snowballed against is always low. Just because you don't dodge autoattacks with shadow swaps doesn't mean the champ isn't good for you. Zed's biggest weakness at lower levels is probably overconfidence by Zed players trying to be like Faker and either getting counterganked during laning, splitpushing too hard without wards, or diving 1v5 onto AD Carries without your team. That's right. Zed is good in lane, good at burst, good at poke, good at disengage, good in teamfights, an energy-user, etc. Fizz has a niche and a distinctive character and playstyle.
What's so good about being an energy user? Imo its overrated. Sure you get a free blue for farming but as soon as you start actually fighting it's the worst resource in the game. Mana users have no restrictions at all in team fights unless they start low, energy users on the other hand run out after only one rotation, sometimes two and then have to wait for more energy rather than ability cooldowns. This is especially true for Lee and Zed, you can do one rotation then you have to wait for energy rather than CDs to fire of your second Q or E.
Mana users usually only need a tear or chalice on the other hand to have roughly the needed sustain to be comparable to what energy users can do with their free sustain, of course a blue alone also makes them comparable. But that's only for the farming, as soon as you start fighting the drawbacks of energy really hurts.
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On October 06 2013 19:19 Potatisodlaren wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 18:16 1ntrigue wrote:On October 06 2013 17:52 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2013 17:39 FinestHour wrote:
if zed was so faceroll and easy then everyone could play it like faker
but hint they cant That is irrelevant. I would say Zed's risk/reward is out of wack for all levels of play. His snowball potential is always high, his ability to get snowballed against is always low. Just because you don't dodge autoattacks with shadow swaps doesn't mean the champ isn't good for you. Zed's biggest weakness at lower levels is probably overconfidence by Zed players trying to be like Faker and either getting counterganked during laning, splitpushing too hard without wards, or diving 1v5 onto AD Carries without your team. That's right. Zed is good in lane, good at burst, good at poke, good at disengage, good in teamfights, an energy-user, etc. Fizz has a niche and a distinctive character and playstyle. What's so good about being an energy user? Imo its overrated. Sure you get a free blue for farming but as soon as you start actually fighting it's the worst resource in the game. Mana users have no restrictions at all in team fights unless they start low, energy users on the other hand run out after only one rotation, sometimes two and then have to wait for more energy rather than ability cooldowns. This is especially true for Lee and Zed, you can do one rotation then you have to wait for energy rather than CDs to fire of your second Q or E. Mana users usually only need a tear or chalice on the other hand to have roughly the needed sustain to be comparable to what energy users can do with their free sustain, of course a blue alone also makes them comparable. But that's only for the farming, as soon as you start fighting the drawbacks of energy really hurts.
zed only needs one rotation
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I'm in a bot game and the refund stacking still works. Woooo
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On October 06 2013 19:19 Potatisodlaren wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 18:16 1ntrigue wrote:On October 06 2013 17:52 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2013 17:39 FinestHour wrote:
if zed was so faceroll and easy then everyone could play it like faker
but hint they cant That is irrelevant. I would say Zed's risk/reward is out of wack for all levels of play. His snowball potential is always high, his ability to get snowballed against is always low. Just because you don't dodge autoattacks with shadow swaps doesn't mean the champ isn't good for you. Zed's biggest weakness at lower levels is probably overconfidence by Zed players trying to be like Faker and either getting counterganked during laning, splitpushing too hard without wards, or diving 1v5 onto AD Carries without your team. That's right. Zed is good in lane, good at burst, good at poke, good at disengage, good in teamfights, an energy-user, etc. Fizz has a niche and a distinctive character and playstyle. What's so good about being an energy user? Imo its overrated. Sure you get a free blue for farming but as soon as you start actually fighting it's the worst resource in the game. Mana users have no restrictions at all in team fights unless they start low, energy users on the other hand run out after only one rotation, sometimes two and then have to wait for more energy rather than ability cooldowns. This is especially true for Lee and Zed, you can do one rotation then you have to wait for energy rather than CDs to fire of your second Q or E. Mana users usually only need a tear or chalice on the other hand to have roughly the needed sustain to be comparable to what energy users can do with their free sustain, of course a blue alone also makes them comparable. But that's only for the farming, as soon as you start fighting the drawbacks of energy really hurts.
Energy works well for Zed when it comes to fighting. The problem is it is too good for his farming. Most assassins have trouble farming minions because they can easily farm champions. Zed doesn't have this problem. Partly it is because he has strong farming abilities (passive, two AoE abilities), partly because he can spam these abilities freely in lane because he is energy based.
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Would a solution be that his skills cost more energy, but that he gets a refund if he hits an enemy?
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I thought Blitz/Cait was ok? isn't the grab a pretty much guarantee kill since you can trap during the knockup punch and GG it out from there? Even if he grabs too close, usually you're EQ combo distances you enough anyway.
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On October 06 2013 17:06 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 16:56 GTPGlitch wrote:
Just out of curiousity why is it that people talk about zed needing to be nerfed and not fizz?
I mean, I'm a lowly silver noobie, but it seems a bit ridiculosu because I feel like fizz scales way too well and really just needs one kill to absolutely rule the lane :L Fizz ult is not very difficult to avoid.
The best part is you can miss your ult and still one shot someone as Fizz
#balancedhero
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On October 07 2013 00:13 KissBlade wrote:
I thought Blitz/Cait was ok? isn't the grab a pretty much guarantee kill since you can trap during the knockup punch and GG it out from there? Even if he grabs too close, usually you're EQ combo distances you enough anyway.
The only reason cait doesn't just straight up die to any other ADC is because of her range. So by having a blitz support you're basically throwing away her only advantage by putting the enemy champ right next to you without them having to blow their gap closer.
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Grab a Fiddle in fear range of Cait, for example. Or a Leona. Blitz works better with picks who can burst the grab target (Graves, Corki), or against picks who will lose a straight-up fight after the free damage taken during the grab-punch combo (Sona).
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On October 06 2013 19:19 Potatisodlaren wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 18:16 1ntrigue wrote:On October 06 2013 17:52 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2013 17:39 FinestHour wrote:
if zed was so faceroll and easy then everyone could play it like faker
but hint they cant That is irrelevant. I would say Zed's risk/reward is out of wack for all levels of play. His snowball potential is always high, his ability to get snowballed against is always low. Just because you don't dodge autoattacks with shadow swaps doesn't mean the champ isn't good for you. Zed's biggest weakness at lower levels is probably overconfidence by Zed players trying to be like Faker and either getting counterganked during laning, splitpushing too hard without wards, or diving 1v5 onto AD Carries without your team. That's right. Zed is good in lane, good at burst, good at poke, good at disengage, good in teamfights, an energy-user, etc. Fizz has a niche and a distinctive character and playstyle. What's so good about being an energy user? Imo its overrated. Sure you get a free blue for farming but as soon as you start actually fighting it's the worst resource in the game. Mana users have no restrictions at all in team fights unless they start low, energy users on the other hand run out after only one rotation, sometimes two and then have to wait for more energy rather than ability cooldowns. This is especially true for Lee and Zed, you can do one rotation then you have to wait for energy rather than CDs to fire of your second Q or E. Mana users usually only need a tear or chalice on the other hand to have roughly the needed sustain to be comparable to what energy users can do with their free sustain, of course a blue alone also makes them comparable. But that's only for the farming, as soon as you start fighting the drawbacks of energy really hurts.
If you don't under stand why Zed is the most banned champ in the world finals... then I recommend to keep playing this game so you learn.
Worst resource?? Mid laners don't get first blues usually and right there you have a lane advantage vs a mana user. He's forced to back while u can keep pushing lane and CS lead therefore a level lead (or roam to top or bot when lane pushed). he combo's a w e q and you're 2/3 health. One more combo than he ults you GG. Reason why he's OP.
Without ganks, he wins most lanes vs traditional midlaners. LOL what's the drawback to Zed in team fights? he ults a squishy and they're dead. Shadow out. spam w e q in team fights.
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On October 07 2013 00:45 Malphite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 19:19 Potatisodlaren wrote:On October 06 2013 18:16 1ntrigue wrote:On October 06 2013 17:52 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2013 17:39 FinestHour wrote:
if zed was so faceroll and easy then everyone could play it like faker
but hint they cant That is irrelevant. I would say Zed's risk/reward is out of wack for all levels of play. His snowball potential is always high, his ability to get snowballed against is always low. Just because you don't dodge autoattacks with shadow swaps doesn't mean the champ isn't good for you. Zed's biggest weakness at lower levels is probably overconfidence by Zed players trying to be like Faker and either getting counterganked during laning, splitpushing too hard without wards, or diving 1v5 onto AD Carries without your team. That's right. Zed is good in lane, good at burst, good at poke, good at disengage, good in teamfights, an energy-user, etc. Fizz has a niche and a distinctive character and playstyle. What's so good about being an energy user? Imo its overrated. Sure you get a free blue for farming but as soon as you start actually fighting it's the worst resource in the game. Mana users have no restrictions at all in team fights unless they start low, energy users on the other hand run out after only one rotation, sometimes two and then have to wait for more energy rather than ability cooldowns. This is especially true for Lee and Zed, you can do one rotation then you have to wait for energy rather than CDs to fire of your second Q or E. Mana users usually only need a tear or chalice on the other hand to have roughly the needed sustain to be comparable to what energy users can do with their free sustain, of course a blue alone also makes them comparable. But that's only for the farming, as soon as you start fighting the drawbacks of energy really hurts. If you don't under stand why Zed is the most banned champ in the world finals... then I recommend to keep playing this game so you learn. Worst resource?? Mid laners don't get first blues usually and right there you have a lane advantage vs a mana user. He's forced to back while u can keep pushing lane and CS lead therefore a level lead (or roam to top or bot when lane pushed). he combo's a w e q and you're 2/3 health. One more combo than he ults you GG. Reason why he's OP. Without ganks, he wins most lanes vs traditional midlaners. LOL what's the drawback to Zed in team fights? he ults a squishy and they're dead. Shadow out. spam w e q in team fights.
yeah its kinda been known to be the worst resource fo ra while now
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