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Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
October 25 2013 19:30 GMT
#6861
On October 26 2013 04:22 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 04:21 Slusher wrote:
am I missing something? I don't see how casting it on enemies makes shard a non shit item?

I said this yesterday, people are tunneling way too hard on AP, this is a HUGE buff to melee supports imo even more than ap supports, Alistar with cdr and actual defensive stats? Have fun with that badboy late game.

it will be good for ap supports, but I think it will change the way melee supports and what melee supports can be played entirely.


Support Malphite all day every day.


Support J4 checking in. Though I'm okay with support Alistar being playable again too.
3.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 25 2013 19:32 GMT
#6862
sorry im not warding baron or dragon or getting oracles or any green wards cuz i need to finish my gamebreaking powerful teamfight item shard of dick ice then some other retarded item instead of doing the job of map control

im looking forward to this
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 19:33:11
October 25 2013 19:32 GMT
#6863
On October 26 2013 04:23 Slusher wrote:
yea thats along the lines of what I was thinking, press R to win melee champions could become a thing.


Yeah we don't really know yet though. If they balance supports and make it so that they can scale just as well as other roles there might not be much of a change in the support pool. I'm just apprehensive because if the gold income is significant people are just going to choose characters who outscale supports. But maybe Riot will balance the current support pool to properly fit with these changes or the gold income isn't as extreme as people are thinking.

First week or two is gonna be hell though with everyone trying out "new supports."
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 25 2013 19:32 GMT
#6864
I really hate GP10 items and wish they weren't in the game. Buying strength now instead of items that give potential always creates a more action paced game. Instead we have a bunch of people who if they roam get less gold and just have to sit increasing their gold income. It's just boring and I have no idea why they want to push the game that way. Hopefully everyone else isn't effected by this
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
October 25 2013 19:34 GMT
#6865
On October 26 2013 04:30 Inschato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 04:22 overt wrote:
On October 26 2013 04:21 Slusher wrote:
am I missing something? I don't see how casting it on enemies makes shard a non shit item?

I said this yesterday, people are tunneling way too hard on AP, this is a HUGE buff to melee supports imo even more than ap supports, Alistar with cdr and actual defensive stats? Have fun with that badboy late game.

it will be good for ap supports, but I think it will change the way melee supports and what melee supports can be played entirely.


Support Malphite all day every day.


Support J4 checking in. Though I'm okay with support Alistar being playable again too.


I'm way more excited for solo lane alistar coming back, if that happens :D
:3
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 25 2013 19:35 GMT
#6866
the most idiotic part is they are buffing 2v1 experience again.
Carrilord has arrived.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
October 25 2013 19:36 GMT
#6867
On October 26 2013 04:32 FinestHour wrote:
sorry im not warding baron or dragon or getting oracles or any green wards cuz i need to finish my gamebreaking powerful teamfight item shard of dick ice then some other retarded item instead of doing the job of map control

im looking forward to this


Lol yeah this is the scary part. I like the changes for the most part and the idea of vision control being a team effort is a noble goal but I have spent nearly 3 years now picking up the slack for team-mates who refuse to ward. Now for basically the first time in my life I'm going to be looking at a dark LoL map and wishing I could do something about it other than calling out teammates.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 25 2013 19:38 GMT
#6868
On October 26 2013 04:32 FinestHour wrote:
sorry im not warding baron or dragon or getting oracles or any green wards cuz i need to finish my gamebreaking powerful teamfight item shard of dick ice then some other retarded item instead of doing the job of map control

im looking forward to this

Wow, these kind of posts make me not want to come around here when all this new stuff is being announced. Could you be anymore cynical? Supports can only have four wards out on the map at a time, the whole point is to get other positions to share the burden. There's always the option of you warding the Baron, or having another teammate do it. If people don't adapt to this they are only going to be hurting themselves.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 19:40:59
October 25 2013 19:39 GMT
#6869
I like the ward cap, I don't like the wards being (even just 1 at a time per person) free, they shouldn't be free.

they talk about the tradeoff between pink and green wards and how they wanted to make it thoughtful, then take the, do I need a ward this time, ehh my flash is up I'll risk it until next time back out. (even if this mindset is often wrong.)
Carrilord has arrived.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 25 2013 19:43 GMT
#6870
On October 26 2013 04:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 04:32 FinestHour wrote:
sorry im not warding baron or dragon or getting oracles or any green wards cuz i need to finish my gamebreaking powerful teamfight item shard of dick ice then some other retarded item instead of doing the job of map control

im looking forward to this

Wow, these kind of posts make me not want to come around here when all this new stuff is being announced. Could you be anymore cynical? Supports can only have four wards out on the map at a time, the whole point is to get other positions to share the burden. There's always the option of you warding the Baron, or having another teammate do it. If people don't adapt to this they are only going to be hurting themselves.


this is one of those things where i would love to be proven wrong dont get me wrong
but down the road some people are going to have this problem in lower skill games its inevitable
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
October 25 2013 19:44 GMT
#6871
Melee supports are not going to be able to benefit much from the Spellthief blade item just like they can't benefit much from pickpocket. I hope this is taken into account. They only mentioned Taric in the list of "core supports" I hope they aren't neglecting Leona, Alistar, Blitzcrank, (Nautilus?).
I got nothin'...
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 19:46:14
October 25 2013 19:45 GMT
#6872
The amount of complaining in this thread makes me wonder something.

Poll: Do you think that LoL is worse than when you started playing?

No (52)
 
88%

Yes (7)
 
12%

59 total votes

Your vote: Do you think that LoL is worse than when you started playing?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Please feel free to justify a vote in either direction, but for the people who say "Yes," I'm curious as to why and (if it's getting to the point that you don't like it) why do you keep playing?

I've enjoyed the game more and more, but I think that's at least partially because I haven't been around for very long and I'm getting increasingly excited watching true skill develop in the scene (hello KR)
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 25 2013 19:45 GMT
#6873
more early wards on the map combined with the increased opportunity cost of roaming and ganking will, at least on paper, lead to a more passive early game. especially if you get 1v2 lanes as the ideal. then they say a more active game is also a goal
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 25 2013 19:47 GMT
#6874
the unfortunate part here is (NDA aside) all of the play testers are actually employed by Riot so I find it unlikely we'll see any real talk on the subject even if it is just one mans opinion, man.

so basically we all have to take a wait and see attitude, but some of these changes look dubious to be sure.
Carrilord has arrived.
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
October 25 2013 19:48 GMT
#6875
No, because when I started playing having a Vayne on your team was pretty much an instant win. And there were a few patches like that after (Orianna). That doesn't really happen anymore, not to that degree. The client is more intuitive, there are more map options (ARAM queue wut wut). The Pro scene is certainly far more developed now than it was when I started (Rumble patch) even if that does appear to mean Korea gets to dominate (but at least the NA LCS gives me a chance to cheer on local teams for a little while between worlds). Game is empirically, objectively better in basically every way. Anyone who says otherwise is probably being nostalgic.
3.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
October 25 2013 19:49 GMT
#6876
On October 26 2013 04:35 Slusher wrote:
the most idiotic part is they are buffing 2v1 experience again.

Yeah, this is the difficulty of balancing a game with many variables. I wonder if Riot's balance team has considered this.

I think I attribute LoL's success to entering the moba market and going for the casual niche. They might have done everything afterwards lazily but because they had that niche gained a mass following. Though one respectable thing about Riot is that they aren't swimming in money. They've lost money for several years, which at least is different from like Apple which everyone says is solely profit oriented and gets away with overpricing their items because their marketing team is better than that of anyone elses'.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 25 2013 19:51 GMT
#6877
On October 26 2013 04:45 AsmodeusXI wrote:
The amount of complaining in this thread makes me wonder something.

Poll: Do you think that LoL is worse than when you started playing?

No (52)
 
88%

Yes (7)
 
12%

59 total votes

Your vote: Do you think that LoL is worse than when you started playing?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Please feel free to justify a vote in either direction, but for the people who say "Yes," I'm curious as to why and (if it's getting to the point that you don't like it) why do you keep playing?

I've enjoyed the game more and more, but I think that's at least partially because I haven't been around for very long and I'm getting increasingly excited watching true skill develop in the scene (hello KR)


you're the one thats overreacting

just because i said one aspect of the game might cause problems =/= game is bad/getting worse/etc

thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 25 2013 19:52 GMT
#6878
I think there are some older versions of specific champions that would make the game more interesting if they replaced their current version

I think s2 support items(old Zeke's/old SHurleya/spirit shroud), while possibly not what Yango is looking for, would be really nice to have back.

outside of that the game is mostly better imo, but I played mabye ~20 games in season 1 so I can't comment on those things.
Carrilord has arrived.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 19:53:13
October 25 2013 19:53 GMT
#6879
On October 26 2013 04:51 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 04:45 AsmodeusXI wrote:
The amount of complaining in this thread makes me wonder something.

Poll: Do you think that LoL is worse than when you started playing?

No (52)
 
88%

Yes (7)
 
12%

59 total votes

Your vote: Do you think that LoL is worse than when you started playing?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Please feel free to justify a vote in either direction, but for the people who say "Yes," I'm curious as to why and (if it's getting to the point that you don't like it) why do you keep playing?

I've enjoyed the game more and more, but I think that's at least partially because I haven't been around for very long and I'm getting increasingly excited watching true skill develop in the scene (hello KR)


you're the one thats overreacting

just because i said one aspect of the game might cause problems =/= game is bad/getting worse/etc



lol If you think I'm specifically calling YOU out then you haven't been reading this thread very carefully over the last few days.

Check dat ego pls
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 25 2013 19:55 GMT
#6880
Asmo it's TL. Nobody is allowed to show that they're impressed without being brutally submerged by cynicism.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
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