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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 25 2013 18:07 GMT
#6821
On October 26 2013 03:06 JBright wrote:
I can remove Roffles from our Skype chat. Does that mean I started this room?

Or the person who did left and you got THA POWAH
It's your boy Guzma!
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
October 25 2013 18:09 GMT
#6822
On October 26 2013 02:48 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 02:47 thenexusp wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:29 Amui wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:21 Requizen wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:20 Roffles wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:16 Fusilero wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:15 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Hah you own Sion

I still think Vlad is perfectly legitimate though ;;

Vlad is a good solo-queue carry champion. Strong in teamfights or a good splitpusher, whatever you need

Never disrespect the mobo/deathcap sion yo.
Also new plan to reach diamond, play only kayle. She can play all five roles yo just insta lock kayle and fill in.

Plz. Why pick someone who can actually fill roles when you can play Syndra mid every game despite others calling mid.

And we wonder why Mathies stopped posting huehue

Apparently he's playing again though. 9/10 games in his history as Syndra


Considering the one !syndra game was an aram, I think he's improving on syndra...While simultaneously annoying a ton of people in his games no doubt.

I've noticed towards the end of season that there are more duo queue marksman/supports than normal, probably for season rewards. Maybe it's easier to get mid these days?

On October 26 2013 01:45 HughMyron wrote:
It's apparently possible to get to Plat without knowing how to cs properly, or at least that's what the fking horrendous Fizz players on my teams are showing me. Just mastering the basics will take you far.

One thing to realize is that it's really easy to see shortcomings in other people, but not in yourself. Because if you could see your own shortcomings you'd more than likely have fixed them. If someone is in a game with you, barring things like duo queues, then they're at the same level as you. You might think "how the hell is he plat without even knowing the optimal builds on people" while not recognizing our own deficiencies and that that guy is wondering "how the hell is he plat if he doesn't even know how to leash range on marksman properly"



Or maybe just maybe a system which uses team results to judge solo skill is inaccurate which is to be expected?


What? What is "solo skill"? If you're playing 5v5, team results are the only results that matter, and your MMR reflects your skill as part of a team. There's no relevant concept of "solo skill", your proficiency at laning in isolation of everything else isn't relevant, what matters is your overall contribution to the team.

And even if MMR were completely random, it'd still be just as likely that you're as bad as the other guy and simply fail to see your own shortcomings. There's no systematic bias against you, you aren't special.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 25 2013 18:13 GMT
#6823
On October 26 2013 03:09 bmn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 02:48 nafta wrote:
On October 26 2013 02:47 thenexusp wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:29 Amui wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:21 Requizen wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:20 Roffles wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:16 Fusilero wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:15 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Hah you own Sion

I still think Vlad is perfectly legitimate though ;;

Vlad is a good solo-queue carry champion. Strong in teamfights or a good splitpusher, whatever you need

Never disrespect the mobo/deathcap sion yo.
Also new plan to reach diamond, play only kayle. She can play all five roles yo just insta lock kayle and fill in.

Plz. Why pick someone who can actually fill roles when you can play Syndra mid every game despite others calling mid.

And we wonder why Mathies stopped posting huehue

Apparently he's playing again though. 9/10 games in his history as Syndra


Considering the one !syndra game was an aram, I think he's improving on syndra...While simultaneously annoying a ton of people in his games no doubt.

I've noticed towards the end of season that there are more duo queue marksman/supports than normal, probably for season rewards. Maybe it's easier to get mid these days?

On October 26 2013 01:45 HughMyron wrote:
It's apparently possible to get to Plat without knowing how to cs properly, or at least that's what the fking horrendous Fizz players on my teams are showing me. Just mastering the basics will take you far.

One thing to realize is that it's really easy to see shortcomings in other people, but not in yourself. Because if you could see your own shortcomings you'd more than likely have fixed them. If someone is in a game with you, barring things like duo queues, then they're at the same level as you. You might think "how the hell is he plat without even knowing the optimal builds on people" while not recognizing our own deficiencies and that that guy is wondering "how the hell is he plat if he doesn't even know how to leash range on marksman properly"



Or maybe just maybe a system which uses team results to judge solo skill is inaccurate which is to be expected?


What? What is "solo skill"? If you're playing 5v5, team results are the only results that matter, and your MMR reflects your skill as part of a team. There's no relevant concept of "solo skill", your proficiency at laning in isolation of everything else isn't relevant, what matters is your overall contribution to the team.

And even if MMR were completely random, it'd still be just as likely that you're as bad as the other guy and simply fail to see your own shortcomings. There's no systematic bias against you, you aren't special.

It's not about laning or anything.I never said there was bias against you but the system is random and 2 equally skilled players can be placed 3+ divisions apart easily which in my book isn't accurate.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
October 25 2013 18:18 GMT
#6824
I know this was brought up yesterday, but I can confirm that Noxian Guillotine does NOT reset if you kill Aatrox with his passive still up. The cooldown starts if Guillotine kills Aatrox, regardless of whether or not he has his revive. So if you do kill him with the Guillotine, you're going to have to kill him again without using it.

And I'm like 98% sure this is also the case with Zac. Also you can't ult his bloblets.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 18:30:13
October 25 2013 18:28 GMT
#6825
On October 26 2013 02:51 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 02:47 NeoIllusions wrote:
Does anyone know how to remove people from Skype chat?
Or do I have to make a whole new chatroom?

Ty in advance.

The person who made the chatroom can kick people in it.

Source: I've been kicked from a fuckton of chatrooms.


Classic req

I'll take ruffles spot in the chat
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 18:31:12
October 25 2013 18:29 GMT
#6826
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1p7g2b/how_to_carry_my_carry_an_introduction_to_support/

New GP10 items, Assist Streaks, and masteries for people in "shared lanes". I haven't read the Q&A yet, but here's the Support Preseason post!

In particular I'm curious about Executioner's Emblem. It sounds like a Smite item that gives AoE gold? Multi jungle what?
It's your boy Guzma!
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
October 25 2013 18:33 GMT
#6827
On October 26 2013 03:13 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 03:09 bmn wrote:
On October 26 2013 02:48 nafta wrote:
On October 26 2013 02:47 thenexusp wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:29 Amui wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:21 Requizen wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:20 Roffles wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:16 Fusilero wrote:
On October 26 2013 01:15 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Hah you own Sion

I still think Vlad is perfectly legitimate though ;;

Vlad is a good solo-queue carry champion. Strong in teamfights or a good splitpusher, whatever you need

Never disrespect the mobo/deathcap sion yo.
Also new plan to reach diamond, play only kayle. She can play all five roles yo just insta lock kayle and fill in.

Plz. Why pick someone who can actually fill roles when you can play Syndra mid every game despite others calling mid.

And we wonder why Mathies stopped posting huehue

Apparently he's playing again though. 9/10 games in his history as Syndra


Considering the one !syndra game was an aram, I think he's improving on syndra...While simultaneously annoying a ton of people in his games no doubt.

I've noticed towards the end of season that there are more duo queue marksman/supports than normal, probably for season rewards. Maybe it's easier to get mid these days?

On October 26 2013 01:45 HughMyron wrote:
It's apparently possible to get to Plat without knowing how to cs properly, or at least that's what the fking horrendous Fizz players on my teams are showing me. Just mastering the basics will take you far.

One thing to realize is that it's really easy to see shortcomings in other people, but not in yourself. Because if you could see your own shortcomings you'd more than likely have fixed them. If someone is in a game with you, barring things like duo queues, then they're at the same level as you. You might think "how the hell is he plat without even knowing the optimal builds on people" while not recognizing our own deficiencies and that that guy is wondering "how the hell is he plat if he doesn't even know how to leash range on marksman properly"



Or maybe just maybe a system which uses team results to judge solo skill is inaccurate which is to be expected?


What? What is "solo skill"? If you're playing 5v5, team results are the only results that matter, and your MMR reflects your skill as part of a team. There's no relevant concept of "solo skill", your proficiency at laning in isolation of everything else isn't relevant, what matters is your overall contribution to the team.

And even if MMR were completely random, it'd still be just as likely that you're as bad as the other guy and simply fail to see your own shortcomings. There's no systematic bias against you, you aren't special.

It's not about laning or anything.I never said there was bias against you but the system is random and 2 equally skilled players can be placed 3+ divisions apart easily which in my book isn't accurate.

Terminology pls. It's not "precise", but it's more-or-less accurate. (except for the whole "can't drop out of V divisions" thing)
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 18:36:35
October 25 2013 18:35 GMT
#6828
On October 26 2013 03:29 Requizen wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1p7g2b/how_to_carry_my_carry_an_introduction_to_support/

New GP10 items, Assist Streaks, and masteries for people in "shared lanes". I haven't read the Q&A yet, but here's the Support Preseason post!

In particular I'm curious about Executioner's Emblem. It sounds like a Smite item that gives AoE gold? Multi jungle what?

It says "minions," wouldn't work on jungle creeps.

Edit: I also think the changes to GP10 are interesting, but I just wish they would drop the GP10 part, the effects that give more gold are more interesting than the passive increase.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 25 2013 18:40 GMT
#6829
On October 26 2013 03:35 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 03:29 Requizen wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1p7g2b/how_to_carry_my_carry_an_introduction_to_support/

New GP10 items, Assist Streaks, and masteries for people in "shared lanes". I haven't read the Q&A yet, but here's the Support Preseason post!

In particular I'm curious about Executioner's Emblem. It sounds like a Smite item that gives AoE gold? Multi jungle what?

It says "minions," wouldn't work on jungle creeps.

Edit: I also think the changes to GP10 are interesting, but I just wish they would drop the GP10 part, the effects that give more gold are more interesting than the passive increase.

Hm, so is it then an item that Marksmen buy to last hit and give their Support gold or is it a support item that they use to help push out waves? Interesting, gotta see stats to be sure.
It's your boy Guzma!
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
October 25 2013 18:41 GMT
#6830
From a jungler's perspective it might be cool to get the new philo and camp some lanes in the line bush.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
October 25 2013 18:43 GMT
#6831
So apparently a new Ahri skin is coming. Everybody going to Champions Winter Opener is getting it for free.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 25 2013 18:43 GMT
#6832
On October 26 2013 03:40 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 03:35 onlywonderboy wrote:
On October 26 2013 03:29 Requizen wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1p7g2b/how_to_carry_my_carry_an_introduction_to_support/

New GP10 items, Assist Streaks, and masteries for people in "shared lanes". I haven't read the Q&A yet, but here's the Support Preseason post!

In particular I'm curious about Executioner's Emblem. It sounds like a Smite item that gives AoE gold? Multi jungle what?

It says "minions," wouldn't work on jungle creeps.

Edit: I also think the changes to GP10 are interesting, but I just wish they would drop the GP10 part, the effects that give more gold are more interesting than the passive increase.

Hm, so is it then an item that Marksmen buy to last hit and give their Support gold or is it a support item that they use to help push out waves? Interesting, gotta see stats to be sure.

I'm sure it's the latter since I doubt it will have stats a ADC would really care for.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 18:45:23
October 25 2013 18:45 GMT
#6833
Also, dem thumbrests.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 18:46:08
October 25 2013 18:46 GMT
#6834
On October 26 2013 03:45 Gahlo wrote:
Also, dem thumbrests.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

THAT FUCKING DONUT

instabuy i don't even play vi
It's your boy Guzma!
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 25 2013 18:48 GMT
#6835
On October 26 2013 01:42 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Except Ecco. You will never be better than Ecco.
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 01:40 Esoterikk wrote:
Think it's to late to get involved in LoL? I have a 30 acct that I play for daily IP and a ton of jungle champs but never took the dive, I think I am bronze II or something, only played like 10 ranked games. Worried about jumping into a game seriously that has a pretty established/aged scene already.

The scene is still pretty damn unstable. It's an exciting time to be a LoL fan, I'd say get into it as long as you submit to our lord and savior SKT

Come on now, this is Brood War land. We know who our real lords are.

It's a fun game, but I'm not sure how invested you expect to get?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 25 2013 18:52 GMT
#6836
On October 26 2013 03:46 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 03:45 Gahlo wrote:
Also, dem thumbrests.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

THAT FUCKING DONUT

instabuy i don't even play vi

You should.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 25 2013 18:58 GMT
#6837
On October 26 2013 03:48 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2013 01:42 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Except Ecco. You will never be better than Ecco.
On October 26 2013 01:40 Esoterikk wrote:
Think it's to late to get involved in LoL? I have a 30 acct that I play for daily IP and a ton of jungle champs but never took the dive, I think I am bronze II or something, only played like 10 ranked games. Worried about jumping into a game seriously that has a pretty established/aged scene already.

The scene is still pretty damn unstable. It's an exciting time to be a LoL fan, I'd say get into it as long as you submit to our lord and savior SKT

Come on now, this is Brood War land. We know who our real lords are.

It's a fun game, but I'm not sure how invested you expect to get?

I guess we're both lucky this is not T, sylver. For your sake.
Every now and again there are moments, true moments where you know you need to stand up for what you believe in. You must have the courage to shitpost to defend your love. For those moments, there are two words. Two sacred words.

Fite me.


In other news, I'm really struggling to hold on to my RP while I wait and pray for the SKT skins to come out soon. Harrowing and Christmas are coming, and I don't know if I can hold out much longer ;;
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
October 25 2013 19:01 GMT
#6838
Ah fml. Riot decided on supports being AP mid lite after all.

It also baffles me that they assume the #1 identifying feature of a support is the ability to heal/shield a companion. Maybe thats what they want but thats not how it works.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 25 2013 19:01 GMT
#6839
champions skins too ~9 months last year, good luck with that.
Carrilord has arrived.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
October 25 2013 19:03 GMT
#6840
On October 26 2013 04:01 TheLink wrote:
Ah fml. Riot decided on supports being AP mid lite after all.

It also baffles me that they assume the #1 identifying feature of a support is the ability to heal/shield a companion. Maybe thats what they want but thats not how it works.


The defining ability of a support should be the ability to keep someone else in good shape throughout laning phase through some method or another, and to be useful in a fight.
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