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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 24 2013 13:37 GMT
#6301
He probably meant "...but I still don't want solo laners to buy it all the time."
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 13:48:40
October 24 2013 13:48 GMT
#6302
I know this might seem a bit extreme but can't they just make the item available only to champs who have smite?I always wondered why they wouldn't do something like this if they want only someone particular to get an item.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
October 24 2013 13:53 GMT
#6303
On October 24 2013 22:48 nafta wrote:
I know this might seem a bit extreme but can't they just make the item available only to champs who have smite?I always wondered why they wouldn't do something like this if they want only someone particular to get an item.

I remember somebody having a very good idea 1 year ago.

Create an item which costs 475g named «key to the jungle», and make it so that you need it to be able to hit jungle monsters. There, problem solved. Good game design.
The legend of Darien lives on
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 24 2013 14:05 GMT
#6304
Did I miss the talk on the new Madred's? That shit looks cool o.O

To be worth for junglers over laners, it'll probably not be cost effective until like ~10+ jungle camps taken, I'd assume.
It's your boy Guzma!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 24 2013 14:23 GMT
#6305
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 24 2013 14:27 GMT
#6306
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
October 24 2013 14:39 GMT
#6307
On October 24 2013 23:23 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 15:31 sob3k wrote:
On October 24 2013 15:21 JimmiC wrote:
On October 24 2013 15:08 Ryuu314 wrote:
To be completely honest, I'm always apprehensive whenever I see a Morello post because even after three, relatively successful seasons, I'm still apprehensive about the fact that the head of live balance is only a Silver level player. On top of that, Riot has had moments in its balancing history where they've definitely fucked up big time and only created new issues.


On one level it kinda makes sense to have your head of live balance in the skill level of the majority of players. Not to mention the best Coach/manager is not the best player or the best engineer/salesperson whatever.

But truly I believe that being a silver player doesn't make him better at balancing necessarily I'm just saying it doesn't necessarily make him worse either.


I disagree. It may be good to have a few silver players on staff, but not your head of live balance. Its similar to asking the community for advice. One of the major characteristics of a poor player is a lack of understanding of the game. This poor understanding makes them very unqualified to propose solutions to problems. A bad player will often propose changes that would make the problem infinitely worse or completely destroy the game, but it sounds good to them. The best coach may not have been a world champion but silver league is like JV high school level play. Also pretty much all the great managers and coaches were very good at their field.

I'm very wary of any high up in a company who has been there from the very beginning. It could be ok if he kept an incredibly humble attitude but that certainly doesn't seem to be the case. I've been very unimpressed at some of the things I've heard come out of Morello's mouth, but generally the balance team has done a solid job.


This is a completely untrue statement. Esspecially in relation to sports. And commisioners of sports leagues. Very few top end players make great coaches most fail out. The coaches that work out tend to be the ones that barely made it, or didn't quite make it. And it for sure is not a requirement to be great at it. Now if there are other reasons why him in particular is not qualified such as being arrogant or whatever, fine, but his play level isn't much if any factor. He could be in silver cause he has horrible mechanics. His league level is not a great indicator, Also, as I mentioned they arn't balanceing the game for pro level play. They are more likely balancing it for where most of there players are at.




Not to take a huge shit on Morello, but i for one, have TERRIBLE mechanics and i play in Diamond. I definitely agree with your point "good players doesn't make good coaches", but more often i see Morello contradict himself and/or the changes they made to the game, only to slighty reverse the changes later in time.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
October 24 2013 14:47 GMT
#6308
the "mechanics" vs" understanding" dichotomy in league is the most exaggerated thing ever and is a legacy frmo bw when it actually meant something, it doesnt actually exist in league in the way people make it out to ~_~
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 24 2013 14:50 GMT
#6309
vastly overstated in bw as well, mostly as an excuse for people to think that they knew what they were doing but somehow their hands were too slow
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 24 2013 14:52 GMT
#6310
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
October 24 2013 14:53 GMT
#6311
On October 24 2013 23:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
the "mechanics" vs" understanding" dichotomy in league is the most exaggerated thing ever and is a legacy frmo bw when it actually meant something, it doesnt actually exist in league in the way people make it out to ~_~




Well you can definitely make 2 categories for players; The mechanically and the strategist. Doesn't mean that one of the categories is better than the other, but it can provide depth to understanding the difference in LoL-players.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 24 2013 14:54 GMT
#6312
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 24 2013 14:56 GMT
#6313
all of this is on the assumption that morello's game understanding is good. people mostly judge him on what he's been saying through the years. that he's silver or whatever just is a cherry on top
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 24 2013 14:57 GMT
#6314
On October 24 2013 23:56 oneofthem wrote:
all of this is on the assumption that morello's game understanding is good. people mostly judge him on what he's been saying through the years. that he's silver or whatever just is a cherry on top


I think there is just a huge disconnect in communication somewhere.

Like, when Riot publicly makes a statement that "we're not ever again releasing a champion with manaless sustain because it's clearly an issue", and then they reveal Rengar - that's a problem.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 14:58:52
October 24 2013 14:58 GMT
#6315
because rengars a problem?
and aatrox is op as well amirite
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 24 2013 14:59 GMT
#6316
On October 24 2013 23:58 Slayer91 wrote:
because rengars a problem?
and aatrox is op as well amirite


Rengar's sustain was a problem.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 24 2013 15:02 GMT
#6317
and then they fixed his numbers just like any other champ?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 24 2013 15:03 GMT
#6318
I've never understood this argument that being in a high league in the game is a requirement of being somebody who understands the game / has a lot of game knowledge.

It is probably true that being really good at the game makes it easier to understand the game, but the idea that it is impossible to understand the game without being really good at the game is obviously and demonstrably false, and yet people still try to argue it.

What league is Yango I wonder? You guys all give Yango a ton of respect for game knowledge (not that he doesn't deserve it) but I wonder if he's Diamond league.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 15:06:51
October 24 2013 15:06 GMT
#6319
On October 25 2013 00:02 Slayer91 wrote:
and then they fixed his numbers just like any other champ?


Well, they neutered him pretty hard, but I do think he's in a fine place right now.

But that's not the argument I'm trying to present. I was referring to the fact that Riot directly contradicted themselves in a very short time frame.

I love that Riot communicates with the community as much as they do. I'm generally happy with most of what Riot does and tries to accomplish. But that doesn't change the fact that there has been more than one instance where it's been blatantly apparent that there are likely some communication issues within the organization.
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 24 2013 15:09 GMT
#6320
On October 25 2013 00:03 Ketara wrote:
I've never understood this argument that being in a high league in the game is a requirement of being somebody who understands the game / has a lot of game knowledge.

It is probably true that being really good at the game makes it easier to understand the game, but the idea that it is impossible to understand the game without being really good at the game is obviously and demonstrably false, and yet people still try to argue it.

What league is Yango I wonder? You guys all give Yango a ton of respect for game knowledge (not that he doesn't deserve it) but I wonder if he's Diamond league.


He's not. I think that was mentioned earlier. "something something Gold league scrub"
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